Mikeboll said to WorshippingJesus:Quote The Apostles by revelation of the Spirit knew it spoke of Jesus after the resurrection when he sat down in his throne. Acts 13:33 – Heb 1:5 – Heb 5:5YET ANOTHER CONCESSION FROM MIKE! the Roo

WorshippingJesus said:Quote Even so as I have said, there are plenty of “Unitarians” like yourself, so why hasn't any one come up with a translation you guys can call your own, rather than you guys tearing apart our current translations.Could it be that a “Unitarian” translation would be shot down by the cream of Greek Scholarship?the Roo

Quote (143neth @ Aug. 19 2010,01:17)Read Revelation 22:13 “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.”Is it not clear here that Jesus is God, being the Alpha and Omega.It is clear in 1:7-8:7Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 19 2010,01:21)JK…………look up the word “BECAME FLESH”. you will find a word (can not (BECOME) flesh). In fact common sense will tell you that> God's (word) CAME TO BE (IN) FLESH, THE FLESH MAN JESUS, JUST AS IT WAS IN THE PROPHETS OF OLD. “FOR GO SPOKE TO US IN TIMES PAST THROPUGH THE PROPHETS HAS IN THESE LATTER…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 19 2010,01:06)JK………..”Dude”……If you understood the “WORD” was GOD and GOD was (IN) Jesus instead of (BEING) Jesus it would be clear for you, “GOD (IN) ALL and (THROUGH) ALL”,  GET IT “DUDE”. THE WORD WAS GOD THE FATHER THAT WAS (IN) JESUS. “THE FATHER WHO IS (IN) ME (HE) DOTH THE WORKS”. Now where doest it…[Read more]

dbf said:Quote Again, Jesus is being labeled as the BEGINNING, God calls him His only begotten son and Col 1:15 says he is the firstborn of all creation as is Rev 3:14, so why the debate of born or begotten which refer to the same outcome,,,,production of an offspring which Jesus fits into, no?1. Again, the Greek “arche” means “ruler.” It says…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 19 2010,00:50)Quote (martian @ Aug. 19 2010,00:46)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 19 2010,00:40)KJ………..Do you also think John was so stupid that he forgot how to spell Jesus' name and could only come up with the Word “WORD” there also. Haven't you ever thought if John meant to mean Jesus he would have just wrote…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Aug. 19 2010,00:46)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 19 2010,00:40)KJ………..Do you also think John was so stupid that he forgot how to spell Jesus' name and could only come up with the Word “WORD” there also. Haven't you ever thought if John meant to mean Jesus he would have just wrote Jesus? My how Trinitariand and Preexistences…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Aug. 18 2010,22:29)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 15 2010,22:16)Quote (Baker @ Aug. 15 2010,21:37)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 15 2010,07:40)Quote (Baker @ Aug. 15 2010,07:34)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,07:20)Quote (Baker @ Aug. 14 2010,15:08)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,06:52)Quote (Baker @ Aug. 14 2010,14:40)You…[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 18 2010,11:57)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 18 2010,19:11)Mikeboll said:Quote I cite the fathers only to counter your understanding of scripture itself.Boom! This is EXACTLY what I have been saying. Thanks for proving my point Mike! You are saying that if I don't believe the church fathers then I don't believe the scriptures.…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 18 2010,08:53)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 17 2010,17:35)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 16 2010,23:18)Quote (942767 @ Aug. 16 2010,21:47)Hi Mike:What Greek manuscripts have “only begotten god” at John 1:18?  The Greek intelinear that I have looked has the Greek “huios”, and YLT has it Son also.  This would also be consistent w…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 18 2010,15:39)Quote (t8 @ Aug. 17 2010,17:13)Anyway, the conclusion I can draw from your post is that you do not understand or accept the usage of definite articles in Greek.t8You can trust his views if you like, but I don't. Of course I have bias because I know in whom I have believed. Would you say you do not have…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 18 2010,11:02)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 18 2010,10:15)Mike said:Quote First, your own definition says it means Jesus was begotten as the only son of God.Second, from that same exact site, here's what Strong's actually says:Strong's Greek Lexicon Search ResultsResult of search for “monogenes”:3439. monogenes…[Read more]

Mikeboll said:Quote I cite the fathers only to counter your understanding of scripture itself.Boom! This is EXACTLY what I have been saying. Thanks for proving my point Mike! You are saying that if I don't believe the church fathers then I don't believe the scriptures. I have suffered this form of persecution as a Preterist.TO ALL:Mike and Kathi…[Read more]

Mikeboll said:Quote I cite the fathers only to counter your understanding of scripture itself.Boom! This is EXACTLY what I have been saying. Thanks for proving my point Mike! You are saying that if I don't believe the church fathers then I don't believe the scriptures. I have suffered this form of persecution as a Preterist.TO ALL:Mike and Kathi…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 18 2010,10:05)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 18 2010,09:45)And Jesus is the First and the Last.the RooWell, scriptures say he is the first of many things.  But if you're referring to Rev saying Jesus is the first and the last, you're mistaken.  And there's an Alpha and Omega thread going on, so take it there.Btw, you didn't s…[Read more]

Mike said:Quote First, your own definition says it means Jesus was begotten as the only son of God.Second, from that same exact site, here's what Strong's actually says:Strong's Greek Lexicon Search ResultsResult of search for “monogenes”:3439. monogenes mon-og-en-ace' from 3441 and 1096; only-born, i.e. sole:–only (begotten, child).TO ALL:Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 18 2010,09:44)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 18 2010,09:27)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 16 2010,21:30)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 16 2010,17:14)And the Net also says…Heb “and after me, there will not be”; NASB “there will be none after Me.”WJI'm sorry WJ,Which one of those translations say “no god will come into being a…[Read more]

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 17 2010,17:33)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 16 2010,22:10)Hi Marty,I don't even know all the different Greek mss, but here's some info and the newer translations that include the word “god”.  Something about the older ones have “god”, but somewhere along the line, some scribes might have changed it to “son”.Almost all of…[Read more]