Worshipingjesus said to Paladin:Quote Hi PDBTW, the word “kainos” is not mentioned anywhere near the text in John 1.In other words John also didnt say “the “kainos” creation was made by him and for him and without him nothing in the “kainos” creation was made.Your theology won't cut it here!WJ, Right on! I would like to add verse 10,Quote He was…[Read more]

Lightenup said to bd:Quote Well, Bo, I do believe that the most High God would be the only true God ultimately.  But, what type of God would come from the one true God?  Would a false God come from a true God?  Would false light come from true light…no!  Don't come to the conclusion that if one is the only true God then the other is a false God…[Read more]

Paladin said:Quote ADDENDUMJesus was a MAN in prophecyJesus was a MAN with a missionJesus is a MAN at God's right hand.”Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.” Jesus was all these things and MUCH MORE. Hebrews 13:8 says that Jesus is unchangeable which is an attribute of God.thinker

Paladin said:Quote What John said”John 12:37 But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him: 38 That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed? 39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Dec. 13 2008,06:17)Through the tenor of the bible, we are told that the father's are “sleeping”.  That indeed, we will join them when we die.  Do you remember who Saul called “up” from his rest?Hi Mandy,Soul sleep was true under the old covenant. After Christ returned in AD70 those who slept were resurrected up from hades to t…[Read more]

WorshippingJesus said:Quote Hi Kathi”The Word was God”, or “God was the Word”, if God is “eternal” then the Word is “eternal”!That is unambiguous!WJ,You're absolutely correct. It is unambiguous!thinker

bodhitharta said:Quote Why is it that you keep insisting that Adonai means anything other than lord which is a title of respect and not one of Absolute authority. You will never find one scripture that calls Jesus “The Most High”bd,What are you talking about? Paladin has also said that Adonay is the proper name for God. The word you are referring…[Read more]

Paladin said:Quote When two sit facing one another, they are BOTH at the other's right hand.Jehovah Adonay is at the right hand of resurrected Messiah, after the same fashion as the logos was “face to face” “with” God. I am glad to see you publickly concede the issue.Paladin,I am trying to picture what you are saying but I find it difficult. You…[Read more]

Paladin said:Quote How can even YOU say “Paladin now condedes” what Paladin has always said?Wishful thinking will not win you any points.I meant that you concede unintentionally as indicated in the title of this thread.Paladin said:Quote If you will quit mixing “Adonay” and “Ad-down” you may begin to comprehend what I have been telling you.I have…[Read more]

Worshipingjesus said:Quote Hi JackI think PD because of his bias is having a problem linking the first verse of Psalm 110 with verse 5 which Unambiguously calls Jesus God!Blessings WJ Yes and this is what the anti-trinitarian method is all about. It's all about the choppy method of yanking a verse out of context here and there. Paladin handed us…[Read more]

Paladin said:Quote Adonay is one of the names of God.”Ad-down” is a whole different thing.To All,I want to publically thank Paladin!!! He said,Quote Adonay is one of the names of God.ADONAY IS THE NAME OF THE ONE WHO SITS AT YHWH'S RIGHT HAND! THEREFORE, IT IS GOD WHO SITS AT YHWH'S RIGHT HAND!Quote YHWH said to my Sovereign, “Sit thou at My right…[Read more]

Lightenup said:Quote Thinker,The main reason that He was begotten was so that He could be raised that is why the two concepts are spoken of together.  The resurrection was the fulfillment of the purpose of which He was begotten.Kathi,You have it backwards. Jesus was raised from the dead so that He could be begotten. This is the natural reading of…[Read more]

Paladin said:Quote So, does that mean you DON'T agree with thinker, that “Adonai” MEANS “soverign God?”All I want is a commitment or an admissioon that it is just an opinion. If it is an opinion, I would like to see its basis.Paladin,What's this all about? I gave you Psalm 16:1-2 and you are evading me and dragging WJ into it. Okay, here is…[Read more]

bodhitharta said:Quote Your whole thought process is Allegory and you need to see that Christ is not sitting on the literal head of a literal Body you still don't understand what Allegory is.bd,I hope WJ doesn't mind my clarifying for him here. He is NOT saying that the body of Christ is literal. He is saying that it is mystical but real. The…[Read more]

Lightenup said:Quote Thinker,Who is speaking in this passage:Rev 3:1212 'He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name.…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 24 2009,07:00)Bo, Exactly, there is only one source God and if He has a son then that son is the begotten God…independent, not part of the one source but from the one source.  God begets the same nature and the one begotten is called after the same type. Man begets man, GOD begets God.  There is only one source of all, t…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ June 24 2009,06:36)bodhitharta said:Quote For the Man is the head of the woman and Christ is the head of the church and God is the head of Christ yet they are all One but YHWH is ONE SOVEREIGN GOD not you, me or Christ are equal in rank or authority,bd,YHWH simply means “I Am” or “I shall be.” The Hebrew “Adonai”  means…[Read more]

Lightenup said:Quote Hebrews 1 does not say that He was begotten as a Son at His exaltation, it says that in the past, He was told “today, I have begotten you” but it doesn't tell us when. Kathi,You need to take a closer look at Hebrews 1. It does say that Jesus was begotten at His exaltation. Acts 13 certainly leaves no doubt about it,Quote God…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 24 2009,04:56)What I find odd is that some of you here have to resort to studying hebrew, greek, and aramaic to try to get a grasp on understanding your own religion the funny part is that the Jews have had a 4000 year headstart in understanding their own language and yet they were never told or understood there to ever…[Read more]

WorshipingJesus said to bodhitharta:Quote The body of Christ is one Body but many members, is it not?And if they were all one member, where were the body? But now are they many members, yet but one body. 1 Cor 12:19, 20WJ,Excellent point!thinker