ED J said:Quote You have not identified which word that is?Don't you think that should make a difference?ED,I gave you the Greek text. Here it is again,4 παρεισέδυσαν1 γάρ τινες ἄνθρωποι, οἱ πάλαι2 προγεγραμμένοι3 εἰς τοῦτο τὸ κρίμα4, ἀσεβεῖς5, τὴν τοῦ θεοῦ ἡμῶν χάριτα μετατιθέντες6 εἰς ἀσέλγειαν7 καὶ τὸν μόνον δεσπότην8 καὶ κύριον ἡμῶν…[Read more]

ED J said:Quote It seems you have “the word” God (Θεός Thēŏs) missing? I looked for the word δεσπότην,but could not find that word?ED J,I use the Critical Greek text which is the standard text used in theological seminaries all over the world. You say the absence of the word “despotes” makes a difference but you did not explain how. So how?btw,…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 05 2010,18:23)OOPs! Thanks JackI didn't know you had posted!Amen!No problem Keith. Gene needs it repeated to him anyway.Jack

Quote (Gene @ Jan. 05 2010,12:07)thinker……….O really, and what about you “TRINITARIANS” No one could do a better Hatchet Job on Scriptures the THEY DO. IMOGene,” All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Jan. 05 2010,13:06)thinker…….But wait you believe Jesus raised himself, now your changing it to GOD raised Him, interesting, another flip flop.But wait Gene. I have also said that Jesus was raised by the Father and by the Spirit. You are avoiding that you must confess Him as Lord in order to be saved.thinker

Quote (Gene @ Jan. 05 2010,13:06)thinker…….But wait you believe Jesus raised himself, now your changing it to GOD raised Him, interesting, another flip flop.pok,In the past I have said that Jesus was raised by the triune God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit). No “flip flop” as you accuse me.thinker

Quote (Gene @ Jan. 05 2010,12:39)WJ………Do you see what you are doing , You say “but even if it reads “only Lord” it is still the same thing and contradicts the Arian doctrine for they would have to confess more than “only one Lord” which is a violation of Shema. When in FACT it say YAWH our GOD is ONE YAWH.  The word LORD is a mistranslation…[Read more]

Ed j said:Quote What faulty version are you using?I am not using a “version.” I am using the Greek text:τὸν μόνον δεσπότην καὶ κύριον ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦν Χριστὸν ἀρνούμενοι.The Greek word highlighted in bold is “despotes” which is our word for “master.” But it makes no difference because Jesus is called the “only Lord” with or without the word…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Jan. 05 2010,12:39)WJ………Do you see what you are doing , You say “but even if it reads “only Lord” it is still the same thing and contradicts the Arian doctrine for they would have to confess more than “only one Lord” which is a violation of Shema. When in FACT it say YAWH our GOD is ONE YAWH.  The word LORD is a mistranslation…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 05 2010,10:37)Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 05 2010,03:05)Gene,Is Jesus Christ YOUR “only Master and Lord” (Jude 4)? This is not a trick question man!thinkerHi ThinkingMan,It's not a trick question; it is a wrong question!The word 'master' does NOT occur in Jude 4?Ed JHuh what?Verse 4 says that Jesus is the “only Master and Lord.”…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Jan. 05 2010,10:31)t……….> i hope you don't think i believe in the TRINITY , because i Absolutely do NOT> I have proven that doctrine wrong many many many, year ago.Gene,All you have proven is you know how to do a good hatchet job on the scriptures. All you have proven is that you don't like the truth and that you don't love…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 05 2010,09:45)Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 02 2010,17:27)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 03 2010,06:16)Hi TT, If Jesus was your Lord you would be less confused about WHO your God is.1Cor8I Jesus your “only Master and Lord?” thinkerHey JackI am not ashamed of who Jesus is!Yes according to Jude 1:4, 5 Jesus is my only “Master…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Jan. 05 2010,05:57)thinker………So now your saying, i am saying that the FATHER had no PART, (WRONG) more the opposite It (WAS) the FATHER (IN) Christ reconciling the WORLD to HIMSELF. Is there on end to you Trinitarians twisting what is said . Jesus did (BECOME) the source to all who OBEY HIM , that is because  HE Obeyed GOD who…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Jan. 05 2010,05:28)thinker ………Before you clap you head off, the reason the word and GOD are the same thing is because the word is the GOD that created the whole wold and that GOD was (NOT) Jesus as you twist the scripture to try to make come out to say. God's words are just as much part of Him as your words are part of you ,…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Jan. 05 2010,05:20)WJ ….> So you and thinkers Jesus, was lying right? So the FATHER was (NOT) really (IN) Jesus as He said, and it was (NOT) really7 the FATHER who was Doing the WORK , and Jesus do (NOT) said He could do nothing of himself, And GOD did (NOT) really raise HIM from the DEAD,  did He?,  On and ON it goes constant d…[Read more]

Gene said:Quote GOD was (IN) Jesus Christ reconciling the world unto (HIMSELF). The world did not recognize Him,  (GOD) was (IN) the man Jesus through the ANOINTING He had. Trinitarians understand GOD'S presents , but fail to see GOD was (IN) the MAN and the MAN Jesus WAS (NOT) the GOD that was (IN) him.TO ALL: It is Gene who fails to see that…[Read more]

peace2all said:Quote well john writes that the word and GOD both were eterenal always being. thats what it says in verse 1,2.p2a,AMEN BROTHER! And verse 3 says that “without Him not one thing came into being that has come into being.” The Word (Jesus) is eternal with God as you say.You have the truth my friend! thinker

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 04 2010,13:05)Hi thethinker:Who is speaking here?Quote Isa 48:2 For they call themselves after the holy city, And lean on the God of Israel; The LORD of hosts His name:   Isa 48:3 “I have declared the former things from the beginning; They went forth from My mouth, and I caused them to hear it. Suddenly I did , and they came…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 04 2010,15:55)hi P2AJesus always recognise his father being greater than himself and that he does not do anything without his father ,if he was God he should not say this ,there is no trinity, Christ is the only begotten Son of the father ,this can not be broken, do you get it.the first born of creation ,this can not be…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Jan. 04 2010,16:57)Ed J………..I also believe that Jesus being Portrayed as GOD or the “I AM”, Is the great LIE Spoken of in 2Ths2, It is the False image portrayed by Trinitarians that Jesus is GOD and where it say he will destory it ( that word should be (abolish it) (the LIE) by Jesus' own mouth at His return. There is no real…[Read more]