Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 12 2011,16:05)kathiQuote , that is, of the substance of the Father, God of God, light of light, true God of true God, begotten not made, of the same substance with the Father, through whom all things were made both in heaven and on earth;…Kathi this is not true to scriptures all what is said in this about…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 15 2011,04:47)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Nov. 15 2011,09:53)Mike said:Quote John 8:24 “If you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be, you will indeed die in your sins.”I think these words spoken by Jesus himself answer the question in the title of this thread.  YES, it IS important that we know exactly who Jesus is in…[Read more]

Mike said:Quote If Jesus was “under God” (YOUR words), then he couldn't possibly BE God.  Therefore Jesus was NOT “God on earth”, correct?He did not assert His divinity or function as God on earth. He became a REAL servant.Quote Jack, in order for Jesus to be “in the form OF God”, he couldn't possibly BE the God he was “in the form OF”.And your…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 01 2011,12:32)Mike,I have discussed your last point more than once.   You know what I think.KathiKathi,Mike asks the same questions over and over and over again. He won't move on to new arguments.KJ

Mike said:Quote John 8:24 “If you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be, you will indeed die in your sins.”I think these words spoken by Jesus himself answer the question in the title of this thread.  YES, it IS important that we know exactly who Jesus is in relation to his God.  If not, we will indeed die in our sins.Jesus simply said, [Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 13 2011,04:26)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Nov. 12 2011,10:43)Mike has been informed many times that the Father was greater than Jesus only during His state of humiliation. Jesus either WAS fully God on earth, or God was GREATER THAN HIM while he was on earth.  Which is it?  Pick one and STICK TO IT.What do you mean by “stick to…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 13 2011,00:48)I don't know about that, Pierre.  But it is pretty easy to pick a scripture and contrast the words of that scripture to the claims of the Trinitarians.For example,Scripture: “The Father is greater than me”.Trinitarians:  “The Father is my equal”.TO All,Mike's appeal to Jesus' submission to the Father does n…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ Nov. 11 2011,16:55)Thank you Jack for your payers……Our precious Baby was named Lily Ann…. We will have a private Service sometime after we bury Debbie today, Friday….She was only 45 years old…..IreneI am so very sorry Irene. We will continue in prayer for you and Georg and the family.Jack

Mike said:Quote Unfortunately for you, that expression does not exist in any Greek mss.  Even Trinitarian scholars point out that the Word could not possibly have been the “person of God”, because that scenario is ruled out by part b: “the Word was WITH God”.What! You are really going off the deep end. You're saying that the expression “and the…[Read more]

Prayers are being offered up for you in my house too Irene.Jack

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 10 2011,10:25)Quote (carmel @ Nov. 09 2011,15:26) John 4:22You worship you know not what…… Jesus in the above scripture said to the Samaritan woman : “you worship you know not.”That's how evident was God. Not only a mystery but unknown, never mind Father.Charles, not only did the Jews know exactly who Jehovah their God…[Read more]

DUPLICATED TO CORRECT NUMEROUS TYPO ERRORS. PLEASE DELETE POST ABOVE.Give it up Mike! Your attempts to create artificial differences between “in” and “through” show how weak your position really is. Look up the word in any Greek lexicon and you will see that “ev” and “dia” may mean the same thing. Offer us something substantive please.As long as…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 10 2011,03:40)KJQuote Mike creates the difference himself thus showing himself to be the novice he is. KJ creates the difference himself thus showing himself to be the novice he isis this not equal to all men ?PierreHow about offering an intelligent reply.What difference in the two prepositions did I create? Mike thinks he…[Read more]

Mike said top Kathi:Quote So if you changed the word “in” to “through” in Young's version, I would be a happy camper.Mike will have to remain an unhappy camper because the oldest manuscripts say that all things were created “in” (ev) Jesus. Mike once said that the NIV is his favorite translation and it says “in” (ev). It is apparent that copyists…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 03 2011,03:13)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Oct. 01 2011,16:51)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 02 2011,04:53)Gene,You need to research John 1:1 a little more.  The Word is never called “THE God” in that verse.  And “THE God” is the only one we call “God”, with a capped “G”.All others are called “gods” in English, with a lower case “…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 02 2011,04:53)Gene,You need to research John 1:1 a little more.  The Word is never called “THE God” in that verse.  And “THE God” is the only one we call “God”, with a capped “G”.All others are called “gods” in English, with a lower case “g”.And since the Word was WITH “THE God” in the beginning, he couldn't possibly have B…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ Sep. 30 2011,05:58)The people of God believed only in ONE GOD and not three in one God…. in Paul's time there was no trinity… It was in the third century that Constantine made it a Law…..1 Corinth.8: 6 is very plain about it, one God the Father…… AND one Lord Jesus Christ…..they are not equal…..IreneThey are equal.…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 30 2011,05:58)Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Sep. 30 2011,08:50)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 26 2011,04:29)I believe in the existence of “many gods and many lords, in heaven and on earth”.But Paul's point in 1 Corinthians 8:6 is that for the people of God there is only one God the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ. The terms “God”…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 08 2011,06:25)Hi Jack,I don't find the word 'being' in the Hebrew text.  YHVH is written twice in the Hebrew text.  I don't think your translation is the best.I think the better translation would be either:Hear, Israel: Jehovah is our God; Jehovah is one:orHear, Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah;I don't know Hebrew g…[Read more]

TO ALL,The Shema in Deuteronomy 6:4 says, “Hear, O Israel: YHWH our God is one Being.”We may legitimately infer that YHWH our God in the Shema is to be identified as Christ because verse 16 warns the people not to tempt YHWH as they tempted Him at Massah. According to Paul it was CHRIST whom the people tempted (1 Corinthians 10:9). Therefore,…[Read more]