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[Jamie]

Hi,

Even a Strongs Hebrew Concordance of H.3091 and 3068 as both names have the same three Hebrew letters ( remember Hebrew is read from right to left though) that make up -Yahu- from which Psalms 68:4 uses – Yah- with Strongs H.3050 will prove this to be true, as also the endings of other names such as Eliyahu the old prophet and many others names ending in yahu.

Jamie

[Jamie]

Even a Strongs Hebrew Concordance of H.3091 and 3068 as both names have the same three Hebrew letters that make up -Yahu- from which Psalms 68:4 uses – Yah- will prove this to be true.

Jamie

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Yes I've recently become aware that it's not the most accurate transliteration. That's why I use “Yeshua” when I remember.

What do you mean? Yahushua and means Yahuweh savior and is the correct English transliteration from Hebrew as- Yahu- is Yod- He -Waw the first three Hebrew letters of – Yod-He-Waw-He–ie Yahuweh, the name -Yeshua- is of most recent invented by the Messianics.

Jamie

[Jamie]

Its strange you use Yeshua since the first 3 Hebrew letters of Yod-He-Waw–ie- Yahu- is used in both the Father and Son's Name, some Messianics do use- Yeshua- since the Jews came out of the Babylonian captivity, but I prefer to use the original old Hebrew, however, I have no problem with the use of -Yeshua- either though, but your use of-Yah-shua – at the bottom of your posts are the correct English transliteration.

Jamie

[Jamie]

Hi,

Please see Gen.19:24 of the two YHWH'S- Yahuweh's as one is special- and is called the Messenger of YHWH, this is also the ONE who delt with the children of Israel in the wilderness as He is called the ROCK that followed them by Paul in 1 Cor.10:4, as Yah-shua Messiah said that no man has seen the Father, and the desciple Peter stated that all the prophets bear witness of Him the Messiah in Acts 10:43. The Messiah was and is called the WORD of Yahweh throughout the scriptures, even in Revelation.
So He was and still is the spokesperson called the WORD for the Father.

Jamie

[Jamie]

Very nice Morning Star,

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John 17 11I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name—the name you gave me—so that they may be one as we are one

And what is the name of the Father? But ofcourse we know His Name is Yahu-weh and not the generic title of -god-.

Jamie

[Jamie]

Sorry Nick thought you said– not- above, disreguard.

Jamie

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Scripture does speak of men in the loins of their fathers

The scriptures beg to differ with the statement you made above Nick, see Gen.35:11; 46:26; 1 Kings 8:19; Heb.7:5 7:Heb.7:10.

Jamie

[Jamie]

I'm not giving the Son 2 names, the Name – Yah-shua- means Yahweh savior, and both the Father and the Son have the same 3 Hebrew letters of Yod-He-Waw meaning – YAHU- for short as is written in Psalms 68:4 as – Yah- for there were no English letter -J- untill about 500 years ago, so they corrected this in the New K.J.V. to the correct -Y- instead of the -J-.

Jamie

[Jamie]

The first words Peter said was REPENT of sin Acts 2, the next question is… what is sin according to the Bible definition? Sin is the breaking of the law-ie torah 1 John 3:4, so one must repent of breaking Yahweh's laws, for obedience to Yahweh's laws is what proves our faith in Him and Yah'shua, which was the Israelites problem according to Paul in the book of Hebrews.

Jamie

[Jamie]

How can one believeth on the LORD when they don't even know His true Name Yah'shua?

Jamie

[Jamie]

YHWH is Yahweh the Father, Yah'-shua is His Son. In the beginning was the WORD, and the WORD was with Yahweh, and the WORD was Yahweh, the same was in the beginning with Yahweh( the Father), and all things were created through Him–Yahweh the Son…..

And the WORD( Yahweh the Son) was made flesh and dwelt among us( the desciples). Yn.John 1:1-14. The Father and Son have the same Family Name of Yahweh and the same substance in nature, however, they are ONE in purpose and agreement and the Son Yahweh is in subordination to the Father Yahweh much like man and wife become ONE though they are 2 distinct persons, much in the same way as Hassan the Father sent Hassan the Son to do the creating, but both are 2 distinct separate persons.
The name -Jesus – is a mistranslation as the K.J.V. translators used it for instead of the name-Joshua- in Acts 7:45 and Hebrews 4:8. Go figure for the false name- jeseus- instead of Joshua=Yah'shua correct transliteration of Joshua to English.

Jamie

[Jamie]

You asked what was wrong with 'lord' as it refers to the Father? It matters when it is used in substitute place of His Name YHWH as was done by the ' prophets of baal or lord ' and worshiped as was done in 1Kings 18 and as the English translations of the bible have also done today. I see you know very little if any of Hebrew scriptures for the ' dg ' is vowel pointed for the name ' gad ' which makes it ' god' that is spoken in Isaiah 65:11 a Babylonian deity and even in its pronounciation check a Lexicon as I asked you to do above. The word ' god ' traces to ' Jupiter ' that was called father god the idol deity of Rome the fourth beast knigdom system in Daniel Chapter 2 and 7 and also in Revelation 13:1. I have a question for you now David. Is there a difference in keeping and holding onto the pagan idol ' god ' than holding onto the pagan idol ' easter '? Are they both not paganism?

Jamie

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Jamie, being someone who has studied the teachings of Eliyah, I'm wondering if you could explain the “baal gad” thing in more simpler terms, in one paragraph. I would like to hear the gist of what he was trying to tell us from a different persepective, someone who can explain it more simply. I do enjoy discussing new things and I had never heard anything like this before. I understand what he said about the etymology of “god” having a pagan background. But I am still confused about “baal gad.”

' David I don't know if I can explain to you about what I call 'baal god ' better than eliyah but I will point out a few sides to this issue that your either ignorant or wilfully avoiding as I noticed in several of eliyah's discussions with you that you evaded two aspects of this issue as it is about idolatry or spiritual adultry to YHWH to join an idol to YHWH. You wrote

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I understand what he said about the etymology of “god” having a pagan background. But I am still confused about “baal gad.”

You see the pagan connection that the word 'god' whether capitolized or not still originated with and is rooted in paganism. If you do some research back far enough on ' baal god ' you will find that this was and still is an ' idol ' deity worshipped by the children of Israel at the same time as ' Ashtaroth and Ashtaroth is the same ' Astarte-Easter-Ishtar spoken about in Judges 2:11 – 14 along with ' Baal ' and YHWH's anger was hot against Israel for their idolatry. The same example is given in 1Kings 11:5-6 of King Solomon also served or worshipped Ashtaroth-Astarte-Easter-Ishtar and Baalim. Then again the same ' Baal ' and ' Ashtaroth ' is practiced by Ahab in 1 Kings 15:30-33. When the one 'baal' was worshipped so was its counterpart of ' Ashtaroth '-Astarte-Easter-Ishtar. Then in Joshua 11:16-17; Joshua 12:7; Joshua 13:5 you will read of a deity called 'Baal Gad '.

Then you will read of the same Babylonian deity of fortune and a literal translation of Isaiah 65:11 from Hebrew to English is

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But you are they that forsake YHWH, that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for GAD, and that furnish the drink offering unto Meni.

This word ' gad ' in Hebrew is vowel pointed with ' dg ' and literally transliterates from Hebrew to English as ' god ' because it is vowel pointed with ' dg ' in Hebrew check a Lexicon. Hence this Phenecian Babylonian idol called ' Baal God ' that the people had forsaken YHWH for ' Baal God '.
And any good dictionary will tell you that the word ' Baal' means ' Lord '. Or do you want me to show you the dictionary references that ' baal' means 'lord ' ? Hence the words ' Lord God' in the popular English translations as the K.J.V. -N.I.V-R.S.V. Bibles. That is not all either according to most all Encyclopaedias the word ' god ' was adopted into christianity as the nanme of the one supreme being from the Teutonic races conversion to christianity. Also this word traces its origins back to the Sanskrit Language called ' Dyias Pater ' meaning ' FATHER GOD ' as is referenced to ' JUPITER '. Now I will quote eliyah's etymology research proving this was accepted by the Roman Catholic Church.

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Greek Zeus, Roman Jupiter (from Deus Pater), Vedic Dyaus Pita, Germanic Tiwaz (later known as Tyr), Baltic Dievas, Slavic Div, Gaulish Dis Pater, and probably Phrygian Sabazios (from Saba Zeus). Also etymologically connected is the Latin word for 'god', deus, the word for the Christian God used by the Roman Catholic Church. The latin word is also continued in English divine, deity, and the original Germanic word remains visible in Tuesday (originally “Day of Tiwaz”). Dyeus was addressed as Dyeu Phter, literally “Sky Father” or “shining father”, as reflected in Latin Jupiter, Greek Zeu pater, Sanskrit Dyau Pita. In his aspect as a Father God, his consort was Pltvi Mhter, “Earth Mother”.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyeus

' Reflected in the Latin Jupiter, Greek Zeu pater, Sanskrit Dyau Pita. In his aspect as a Father God

' Father God ' is a title for ' Jupiter ' The deity of the Roman 4th kingdom beast system in Daniel 2:40-44; Daniel 7:25; Revelation 13:1-2

All of this was adopted by the Roman Catholic Church I quote

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Also etymologically connected is the Latin word for 'god', 'deus', the word for the Christian God used by the Roman Catholic Church. The latin word is also continued in English 'divine', ' deity ', and the original Germanic word remains visible in Tuesday (originally “Day of Tiwaz”).

Here is the ' Father God Jupiter ' adopted by the Roman Catholic Church.
This is the mental idol image Father God Jupiter of the Roman 4th kingdom beast system in Daniel 2:40-44 and of the same beast kingdom of John in Revelation 13:1-2 the the world has set up an image of the RomanFather God Jupiter and is worshipping that idol Jupiter called Father God which is an image of Rome-the 4th kingdom beast system and John's 1st and same kingdom beast system in Revelation 13:1-2, as the world has set up an idol image Revelarion 13:15-17 of Father God Jupiter of Rome's deity and even believes in Father God Jupiter and has his name or mark in their hands and foreheads or minds all because of the mother and her harlots in Revelation 17:4-5 that is the names of blasphemy in her very forehead or mind. Now you please tell me if people today are not praying to and worshipping Father God Jupiter and this title is title name is not coming out of their mouth's every day? That is enoough for now I may try to explain more later if you want.Now I know you will say this is more than one paragraph but then is your posts every just one paragraph long? Sorry if it seems so long to you but it does take so much space to explain some things in detail as you very well know.

Jamie

[Jamie]

That is impossibly Mr.T8 heaven because your forum would not accept two different names on the same IP number and again you make me laugh with your flatery huh huh.

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OK so you are back Eliyah, even if you are using another ID or speaking through another person. Your attempt to waste my time won't work because I can ignore you when you demand too much of my time. Jamie, I noticed that the IP number for Eliyah and Jamie was the same. An incredible coincedence? This means that you are using the same ISP at least, and possibly the same computer or connection at most. Whatever the reason, I can hear Eliyah again and it seems that distraction is once again the order of the day

Please don't make me laugh Mr.T8 heaven that was really flattering of you to say that to me but it is possibly that we could be on the same internet service provider but aren't you the one talking to me? Then how am I taking up your time or are you not taking up your own time? Thank you for the compliment though I would rather be on the side of YHWH and Eliyah for they do speak truth Mr T8 heaven.

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Eliyah may have a point or may not with his doctrine, but it wasn't really his doctrine, rather the way he went about it that put me off. His posts were very long, numerous, forceful, and often in discussions that were unrelated to the subject. Like I said, I didn't have the time that he required.

Mr T8 heaven you are correct on one thing it was not Eliyah's doctrines it was YHWH's doctrines that he was promoting and it is true his posts are long but I supose he thought he had to fully explain YHWH's doctrines about idolatry and when anyone takes the time to fully read what he writes they must admit that he spoke scriptures as is written and could not be denied according to scriptures themselves. But as for being 'forceful ' I have been on many forums that he has been and I have seen the bad words that have been spoken to him from others and I can understand why he would seem forceful and coarse to you but when you face as much opposition as I have seen from others in their words maybe you would understand why he seemed forceful.
Mr T8 heaven you also wrote

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I chose not to focus on Eliyah's posts as I chose not to focus on most. He should respect that after all YHWH gave us free will and he lets us choose.

You are true that YHWH gave us free will to choose but that was your problem you have not even yet really focused on Eliyah's posts for if you do you will see that what he says about idol titles does not scripturally Honor YHWH and really is idolatry according to scriptures as Isaiah 42:8 is only one verse that will prove YHWH will not give or share His Name which is His Honor with no other idol deity. You should really sometime take some extra time to fully read more of his posts and you will see that to be truthful with YHWH and His Word.

Jamie

[Jamie]

Heaven T8 why do you not merely combine your posts instead of speaking and posting as if you are two people and please stop playing double minded? No I am not Eliyah's wife but you could now call me his friend thanks to a member on here who sent me a private message telling me how to get in contact with him. Mr. T8 heaven you also wrote

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When I replied to him a spectacle was created by reason of his resistance. If I ignored him, that made it worse to the point where he was placing links to other forums to get people away from this one in order to try and annoy me. However he truly failed to annoy me. I just enforced the rules that he stepped on it was that simple.

I don't think Eliyah was trying to annoy you by posting his forum link because I read on his forum to a member here that he invited anyone from this forum including inviting you to his forum and said you were welcome there anytime. No Mr.T8 heaven you made a spectacle out of yourself by putting him on a voting poll and trying to dig up past forgiven dirt between him and Is 1:18 to sway others to to vote your way then everyone voted and evidently the majority wanted him to come back and then you yourself asked him officially back reinstating him back to the forum. That is the most disrespectable form of leadership I have ever seen being done to anyone. No Mr T8 heaven your the one who made a spectacle out of yourself by first asking him to leave then asking him to come back on your part or is it not? Or is he not still welcome back here after you asked him officially back to this forum?

Jamie

[Jamie]

Mr Bob you wrote

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I found several things wrong in the “baal gad” topic. Also, upon looking back on his posts, I also began to realize how little love he had in them. When Nick first asked Eliyah a question, he was asked/preemptively accused of censoring controversial teachings. Eliyah would also go back and try to “dig up dirt” in order to defend himself. No, Eliyah did not apologize. He apologized for “whatever he did.” One doesn't apologize for “whatever.” His apology was more of a statement and accusation of t8's unforgiveness than an apology.

Mr Bob I think if you go back through this same thread here that you will find a post that Eliyah said that he appologized for whatever he had said to heaven T8 and if you saw several things wrong in the baal gad topic you certainly never pointed them out to him and neither did you try to disprove them did you? I have been reading all these back posts and exactly where is that post where Eliyah ' tried to dig up dirt inorder to defend himself ' ? I also read a post where Eliyah agreed with you a subject and even blessed you in Yahweh's Name.
Mr Bob why do you bring these things up now after he is gone and not while he was here instead of accusing him now that he is gone from here? I think you are blindsided and still confused as none of you could even understand his posts so you did not know how to answer him back and took his words to mean merely what you assumed in your own mind.

Jamie

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Listen David you asked me

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So Jamie, what do you say to those that believe Jesus should be worshiped?

As I told you YHWH is to be worshipped and how can anyone discuss anything about a person named ' jesus ' when that was not and is not the Messiah's name in the first century and never was our Messiah ever called by that name in His liftime on earth? You never asked me about discussing the word ' worship' but about the worship of a person that is named 'jesus' that never existed by that name in the first century and is a false name for the Messiah.

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