Frank4YAHWEH replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 3 months ago
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 30 2011,11:26)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Nov. 29 2011,17:30)I never said that I believed “God was with God”! What foolishness!That's right Frank,It is complete foolishness. But that is exactly what YOUR preferred translation of John 1:1 says – “In the beginning, God was WITH God”.If the Word IS God, then 1:1 says “God was…[Read more]
Frank4YAHWEH replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 3 months ago
Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Nov. 30 2011,11:16)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Nov. 30 2011,10:59)Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 30 2011,10:50)frankQuote Father Yahweh's word was with Him just as my word is with me. I never said that I believed “God was with God”! What foolishness! paid attention that it does not say WORDS it say THE WORD Jn 1;1 ,so if he was ta…[Read more]
Frank4YAHWEH replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 3 months ago
Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Nov. 30 2011,10:59)Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 30 2011,10:50)frankQuote Father Yahweh's word was with Him just as my word is with me. I never said that I believed “God was with God”! What foolishness! paid attention that it does not say WORDS it say THE WORD Jn 1;1 ,so if he was talking about his own words it would be pl…[Read more]
Frank4YAHWEH replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 3 months ago
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 30 2011,10:50)frankQuote Father Yahweh's word was with Him just as my word is with me. I never said that I believed “God was with God”! What foolishness! paid attention that it does not say WORDS it say THE WORD Jn 1;1 ,so if he was talking about his own words it would be plurial ,and it is totally non sens to think th…[Read more]
Frank4YAHWEH replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 3 months ago
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 30 2011,10:35)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Nov. 30 2011,09:49)t8, WHO IS THE WORD?In John 1:14, this same 'word' that was God the Father (because the word was in the Father) produced His son Jesus.Hi Frank, you are well studied and are rightly dividing “The Word” of God. the glory as of the only begotten of the Father (Joh…[Read more]
Frank4YAHWEH replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 3 months ago
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 30 2011,10:11)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Nov. 29 2011,16:49)WHO IS THE WORD? (John 1:1)In John 1:1 the writer is very plain in telling us who the 'word' was. He says the word was God.Actually, he says the Word was WITH God. God cannot possibly be WITH God, Frank.What 1:1 REALLY says is, “the logos was with THE god, and…[Read more]
Frank4YAHWEH replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 3 months ago
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 30 2011,10:11)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Nov. 29 2011,16:49)WHO IS THE WORD? (John 1:1)In John 1:1 the writer is very plain in telling us who the 'word' was. He says the word was God.Actually, he says the Word was WITH God. God cannot possibly be WITH God, Frank.What 1:1 REALLY says is, “the logos was with THE god, and…[Read more]
Frank4YAHWEH replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 3 months ago
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 30 2011,09:59)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Nov. 29 2011,11:22)Father Yahweh ALONE created within Adam (mankind – man and woman) a reproductive system and I was BORN THOUGH this process and was not directly created by Father Yahweh. I see. So it's okay with you that you were created THROUGH “a process”, but not THROUGH Adam and…[Read more]
Frank4YAHWEH replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 3 months ago
Quote (t8 @ Nov. 30 2011,07:18)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 30 2011,00:48)T8………..If God created “EVERY THING” through Jesus then please tell us what part Jesus played in that process, you have explained what parts played in you explanations , So now tell us What Part Jesus Played, and if you can't then how can you make the…[Read more]
Frank4YAHWEH replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 3 months ago
Quote (t8 @ Nov. 30 2011,07:23)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Nov. 30 2011,06:51)Yahshua The LightBy Voy Wilks5/14/02Yahshua the Messiah is indeed referred to as the light of the world (John 1:7-9; 8:12; 9:5; 12:35; Luke 2:32). Does this mean he pre-existed?John the Baptist came as a light to bear witness to a greater light (St. John 1:7-9).”… a burning…[Read more]
Frank4YAHWEH replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 3 months ago
YAHSHUA'S ORIGINOne Among Many BrethrenHebrews 2:10-12Voy Wilks8/31/99Some people seem to forget Moses promised that Yahweh would raise up a prophet “like unto me from among your brethren” (Deut. 18:15). Was Moses a pre-existent deity? Were his brethren pre-existent deities? That Yahshua was not a pre-existent deity, but was one brother among…[Read more]
Frank4YAHWEH replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 3 months ago
Yahshua The LightBy Voy Wilks5/14/02Yahshua the Messiah is indeed referred to as the light of the world (John 1:7-9; 8:12; 9:5; 12:35; Luke 2:32). Does this mean he pre-existed?John the Baptist came as a light to bear witness to a greater light (St. John 1:7-9).”… a burning and a shining light” (John 5:35, KJV).Does this mean that John the…[Read more]
Frank4YAHWEH replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 3 months ago
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 29 2011,09:51)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Nov. 27 2011,22:53)I am a result of Father Yahweh's creation in the beginning and was not directly created by Father Yahweh.Frank,Don't you even realize you're saying about yourself EXACTLY was t8 was saying?
If you weren't DIRECTLY created by the Father, then you have no choice but to…[Read more]Frank4YAHWEH replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 3 months ago
Quote (t8 @ Nov. 23 2011,14:07)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Nov. 23 2011,12:39)t8,I am certainly and simply not going to take a FEW Greek words translated into our English language as “by” and “through” that can and has also been translated as “on account of” or “because of” OVER SOME 107 Scripture verses and passages that clearly states that Father…[Read more]
Frank4YAHWEH replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 3 months ago
Quote (t8 @ Nov. 23 2011,09:43)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Nov. 17 2011,08:49)t8,I will put it this way! I most certainly will answer a serious or logical question, but foolish questions I simply refuse to answer!OK.How about we start with what Mike is asking.I think it is a fair and reasonable question as he is only asking to clarify your understanding…[Read more]
Frank4YAHWEH replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 3 months ago
Quote (t8 @ Nov. 23 2011,11:28)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Nov. 23 2011,07:20)I have no problem with one “worshiping” Yahshua as Father Yahweh's son Whom he anointed and appointed to reign as King for 1,000 years, but what I do not agree with is one who “worships” Yahshua as our Heavenly Father and Creator and one who credits Yahshua for creating…[Read more]
Frank4YAHWEH replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 3 months ago
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 23 2011,10:30)Frank,When you post YOUR WORDS, then I might take a look at them. If your claim was hidden in one of the writings of those dudes you often copy, then I probably wouldn't take notice of it.Either way, if “Word of God” is a title that Jesus had, then how can you say “His word certainly is not a person nor is…[Read more]
Frank4YAHWEH replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 3 months ago
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 23 2011,09:59)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Nov. 22 2011,14:51)t8,Certainly Father Yahweh's word has might, strength, power, and authority, but His word certainly is not a person nor is His word ever in reference to a separate being apart from Him.Then who is the one called “the Word of God” in Rev 19:13?Mike, Did you not see in…[Read more]
Frank4YAHWEH replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 3 months ago
Quote (t8 @ Nov. 22 2011,19:09)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Nov. 22 2011,11:52)Many are deceived into believing that the “word” (that has been deliberately CAPITALIZED on and PERSONIFIED in translation) spoken of in Yahchanan 1:1 is literally Father Yahweh's word as a separate being apart from Himself that pre-existed as His son Yahshua. This was done…[Read more]
Frank4YAHWEH replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 3 months ago
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 23 2011,06:39)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Nov. 18 2011,17:55)Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 19 2011,09:18)frank Gene Quote Yahshua later died and was raised from the dead by his and our Father Yahweh and became “the firstborn of all creation”.this is wrong it can not be OF ALL CREATION in your view it is ;IN ALL FUTURE CREATION…[Read more]
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