Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 25 2011,11:04)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 24 2011,12:25)So yes we do believe Rev 19:13 is a title given to Jesus…..Thank you Gene.  Frank?  Are you hip to this?Mike,Revelation 19:13 says that his (Yahshua's) is called “The Word Of Yahweh”. It does NOT SAY “Yahshua IS the word of Yahweh.” as you deceptively teach and b…

Quote (Pastry @ Dec. 24 2011,14:51)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Dec. 21 2011,13:59)Quote (Pastry @ Dec. 21 2011,13:50)Quote NOWHERE in Scripture does it EVER SAY “The Word of God is Jesus Christ.”Frank, who is the only begotten of the Father?IrenePastry,Yahshua is the only begotten and in turn the “first begotten” from the dead! And from Yahshua Messiah,…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 24 2011,05:56)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Dec. 24 2011,05:28)Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 24 2011,04:47)Hi Frank,You have made it abundantly clear that you do not believe in any pre-existence. But there are many other points that get discussed on this and other threads.Besides the only threads that you seem to post on are similar to this…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 24 2011,04:47)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Dec. 24 2011,04:29)Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 22 2011,07:26)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Dec. 21 2011,12:00)Is Not Christ The Firstborn?At this point the reader might become a little impatient, and desire to press upon our attention Bible references that seem to give some support to the pre-existence…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Dec. 22 2011,10:50)1 Peter 3:15But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,Titus 1:9He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Dec. 22 2011,09:12)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Dec. 21 2011,13:39)Pastry,NOWHERE in Scripture does it EVER SAY “The Word of God is Jesus Christ.”Do you consider the Book of Revelation to be a fraud then, because it says:Revelation 19:13King James Version (KJV)And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 22 2011,07:26)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Dec. 21 2011,12:00)Is Not Christ The Firstborn?At this point the reader might become a little impatient, and desire to press upon our attention Bible references that seem to give some support to the pre-existence theory.We are not ignorant of those passages, but claim that none of them give…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Dec. 21 2011,19:52)Pierre, apparently these are all translated wrong, well according to Frank and Gene.The oldest trick in the book is to say that it is wrong because it is all mistranslated. Let me see. The Atheist could teach that the bible teaches there is no God and all the verses that allude to a God are mistranslated. Or all the…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 21 2011,14:41)FrankQuote Pierre,How about searching the Scriptures to find the Scripture that says that Yahshua said he was a man and that he had the same origin as his brethren.I also take it that you completely ignored the article that I just posted previously entitled “YAHSHUA'S ORIGIN – One Among Many Brethren” by Voy…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ Dec. 21 2011,13:50)Quote NOWHERE in Scripture does it EVER SAY “The Word of God is Jesus Christ.”Frank, who is the only begotten of the Father?IrenePastry,Yahshua is the only begotten and in turn the “first begotten” from the dead! And from Yahshua Messiah, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ Dec. 21 2011,13:35)Frank, you seem to ignore those Scriptures y ou dont understand and then say the Scriptures contradict…. The Bible does not do so…. There are so many Scriptures that like t8, Mike and Pierre have shown you and you just ignore them…. The Word of God is Jesus Christ… Rev 19:13   And he clothed with a…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 21 2011,13:35)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Dec. 21 2011,20:34)Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 21 2011,13:25)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Dec. 21 2011,20:20)Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 21 2011,13:02)frankQuote These expressions show conclusively that the apostle did not mean, by his use of the term, that Jesus pre-existed. why you do not go and…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ Dec. 21 2011,13:35)Frank, you seem to ignore those Scriptures y ou dont understand and then say the Scriptures contradict…. The Bible does not do so…. There are so many Scriptures that like t8, Mike and Pierre have shown you and you just ignore them…. The Word of God is Jesus Christ… Rev 19:13   And he clothed with a…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 21 2011,13:25)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Dec. 21 2011,20:20)Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 21 2011,13:02)frankQuote These expressions show conclusively that the apostle did not mean, by his use of the term, that Jesus pre-existed. why you do not go and get an excerpt from one who accept the preexistence of Christ   you really…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Dec. 21 2011,13:12)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Dec. 21 2011,11:12)t8,I tested what you refer to as “iron” and found that it was nothing but pot metalThanks. Pot metal is quick and easy to cast, where as you seem to be made of stone and cannot change shape when required.A normal conversation in anyone's language consists of two or more people…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 21 2011,13:02)frankQuote These expressions show conclusively that the apostle did not mean, by his use of the term, that Jesus pre-existed. why you do not go and get an excerpt from one who accept the preexistence of Christ   you really don”t know what to believe right ??PierrePierre,Why would I promote an article by…[Read more]

In The Beginning Was The Word (John 1)John's Gospel commences with this statement, and goes on to state that this word was with God and was God, and made all things (vv. 1-4). And because the title, Word of God, is applied to the Lord Jesus in Revelation 19:13, it is claimed that these verses in John relate to a pre-existent Christ.If this were…[Read more]

Is Not Christ The Firstborn?At this point the reader might become a little impatient, and desire to press upon our attention Bible references that seem to give some support to the pre-existence theory.We are not ignorant of those passages, but claim that none of them give support to the theory if they are properly interpreted. It is unfortunately…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Dec. 21 2011,11:06)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Dec. 21 2011,10:00)It would be a blessing if Pastry, Pierre, t8, and Mike would completely ignore my post and not respond to them!  OK. All happy now aye!. (Poly wants a cracker.)You don't need iron to sharpen you because you have assessed that you are already sharp, and we will continue to get…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 21 2011,10:41)To tell you the truth, Frank, it irritates me.  Not that you quote other sources, because we all do that.  But because you have never had any intention of discussing scriptures or defending what the sources you copy say.You have your own site where anyone can go read the stuff you post.  Why clutter up a DI…[Read more]