It's a shame when we can't all sit together and open the bible, reading line upon line, page upon page… when we extract verses to construct our defense of the word.  Though it is practical and necessary, it seems to muddle the issue for us, altogether.John the Apostle penned the gospel of John by the Inspiration of God and as a witness of at…[Read more]

According to John 1:1 Jesus is God. A God, to be precise. He is NOT the Most High God.How many God's do I have over me? who can tell? But my uttermost and exclusive worship is to the Most High God whom Jesus and I worship together.I give honor to whom honor is due, from my parents to my husband, peers, authorities and what nots. I understand…[Read more]

Hi Nick, Also that God had to be the one to die for our sins as a perfect man could not have done it.  By God, he meant the Most High God and not his son because his son is in fact him since Yeshua is Yahweh. This line of thinking leads me to ask:  Why would God want to present two or three selves to do what he alone can do and has done, when a…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 26 2005,01:29)He he. I like your humour Cubes, you're cool. Thanks for keeping your part of the deal. I will keep mine, as promised, too but it might take a little time, I have some other committments and I want to give you a considered reply. That's ok, Is. 1:18: I know how it gets… take your time.

Hi Is 1:18 and Rudy:I read the article by Silver and started to make notes but it got to be too long, so I abandoned that route.I agree in parts.I disagreed in parts.I found some parts confusing and felt the writer was confused at times.I also did not feel that he actually proved that Yeshua is Yahweh.Here is an example of a confusing quote that I…[Read more]

Quote (liljon @ April 25 2005,15:26)The Fathers believed that jesus was true god.Hi liljon,That is a true statement. You are also true liljon. And I am true Cubes as usernames go. Hope you see the problem with that. God created no two things quite the same. Each is unique even in a myriad like grains of sand. Some are exclusive, like Mount…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 25 2005,02:29)Quote (Rudy @ April 21 2005,23:39)Yesua and Yahweh are ONE:http://www.etz-chayim.org/articles/yeshua-yahweh.htmlThanks Rudy. The article was very perceptive and informative and I highly recommend it to all.Deal, Is 1:18.But you must admit that the scales aren't balanced quite fairly here….you should read…[Read more]

Hi Rudy,  RUDY:  “The problem with that Cubes is that Jesus told the Pharisees that God and Himself were one, and theysough to to kill Him for blasphemy, I again haeve read T8's arguments and find them absolutely ludicrous”CUBES:  In Context: a)  John 10:29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than ALL; and no one is able to snatch the…[Read more]

Thanks for responding, Rudy.Well, I respect your opinion but we do disagree, and that is okay. I haven't read all of t8's posts and thesis but I've read enough to know that we share the same understanding on who God is in relation to his son. It is not popular but it is what I believe that the Almighty is Above all and Christ is his beneficiary…[Read more]

Hi Rudy,Thank you for the link.  I have also added the one to which you referred Greg.  On page 130 or 131 of the Trinity thread, I posted a response to MM on Zechariah 14 once.  Do you mind looking at it and letting me know what you think of it…you too Is 1:18.  Lastly Rudy, could you please tell us in a nutshell what your understanding of the…[Read more]

Quote (Rudy @ April 24 2005,03:07)T8,Of course you cannot repent.  Your pride and arrogance forbid it.  To do so would mean that all your “revelations” and “truths” are not of God, and so they are NOT.  But you, through the hardness of your heart have denied the truth and replaced it with a lie and have taught others the same to your co…[Read more]

Quote (Rudy @ April 23 2005,23:26)All things were created by Jesus and for Jesus.  Correction, Rudy, all things are made by God and for God. By God, I use Jesus' definition: The Almighty God aka Father.Yeshua is the heir of all things.We are co-heirs with Christ, not with the Father.It is the Father who is the giver of all good things but has…[Read more]

Quote (Rudy @ April 23 2005,23:26)Quote (Cubes @ April 23 2005,22:17)Revelations 15:3 They sing the song of Moses, the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying:”Great and marvelous are Your works,Lord God Almighty!Just and true are Your ways,O King of the saints!4 Who shall not fear You, O Lord, and glorify Your name?For You alone are…[Read more]

Revelations 15:3 They sing the song of Moses, the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying:”Great and marvelous are Your works,Lord God Almighty!Just and true are Your ways,O King of the saints!4 Who shall not fear You, O Lord, and glorify Your name?For You alone are holy.For all nations shall come and worship before You,For Your judgments…[Read more]

Excellent Topic, Nick.Adding to what t8 has said, I also noticed in Revelations 4 that similarly to the epistles, the Father is first to be acknowledged in worship.  He is the one to whom the elders cast their crowns even though our conditioning has taught us differently.  He is before all and this worship is exclusive to him.  He is worshipped da…[Read more]

Quote (stroshow @ April 23 2005,00:36)Someone  with mind or power does not speak, teach, send,call, forbid, etc. all these are attributes of aperson, all of them are descriptive of the HolySpirit?Correct, Stroshow: Undoubtedly, the holy spirits has attributes that are God's, to put it quite frankly. And is it surprising?Another example besides…[Read more]

Quote (Rudy @ April 19 2005,19:58)Hi Cubes,I agree, however the implication is that “unless you abondon the trinity doctrine your goin' to hell”Apollos was instructed more acurately, not told he wasn't saved and was therefore following “another Jesus”.We need to keep these discussions real.  Understand the heart of the Lord, putting on Christ is…[Read more]

So you believe that this change from water to spirit baptism occurred in Acts 10 (based on our previous discussions)?  If so, then another way to test your position is to see whether or not the mention of “water” (in water baptism) started and stopped at a certain point in time.  Do you think that would be a reliable test of your theory?  You al…[Read more]

Well, Trett, in Acts 19:5, I take it to mean they were water baptized by water, then the laying on of hands, and the second baptism by the holy spirit in Acts 19:6.How do you understand it?

Hi Rudy,I agree with all the scriptures you cite, and even with the encouragement, admonishing, exhortation, reminders that we carry ourselves in the manner shown from the scriptures. That goes for all of us all of the time, so I receive that and could certainly use more of that. Thank you. My disagreement with you is therefore not about that.I…[Read more]