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ParticipantQuote (kerwin @ May 18 2010,20:01) Constitutionalist, Thank you for your comments. I will use Leviticus 17:11 in a thread about the crusifiction of the Anointed One.
Did you miss me?May 19, 2010 at 2:52 am#191186ParticipantQuote (kerwin @ May 18 2010,02:32) Nick, I believe the spirit and soul are seperate elements of an individual.
I also believe but am not certain that it is the spirit that gives life to a person.
It is possible, though I have my doubts, that the breath of life and the spirit are not the same element of a human being.
For the life of the flesh in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it the blood maketh an atonement for the soul. Leviticus 17:11A most important truth, had existed in the Mosaic writings for more than 3,000 years, before the attention of any philosopher was drawn to the subject.
That the blood actually possesses a living principle, and that the life of the whole body is derived from it, is a doctrine of revelation, and a doctrine which the experiments of the most accurate anatomists have served strongly to confirm.
The proper circulation of this important fluid through the whole human system was first taught by Solomon in figurative language:
“Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.”
It is what it is.
For [it is] the life of all flesh; the blood of it [is] for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh [is] the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off. Leviticus 17:14
January 31, 2010 at 8:23 pm#174732ParticipantQuote (kerwin @ Jan. 31 2010,12:09) ashermoshehthreepointonefour, I have a question. In Acts 10:27 Peter tells Cornelius that it is against Jewish Law to associate with or visit Gentiles. I do not remember that being in the Writings. Is it in the oral Torah?
Jewish law mandates it is against Torah to assaociate with any unclean thing, and the gentiles were very much in fact unclean.Thus the vision three times before the visit with Cornelius.
January 22, 2010 at 12:21 am#171221ParticipantQuote (Everlasting father Jesus @ Jan. 21 2010,16:18) Hell is eternal one way or the other, it sounds like a terrible place
It is not a place, it is destruction, and that destruction is eternal. And it is terrible, for the wicked, but only until they are destroyed. 'Elohim is merciful!January 22, 2010 at 12:17 am#171218ParticipantGen. 37:35 “I will go down into the grave unto my son.”
Gen. 42:38 “Then shall ye bring down my gray hairs with sorrow to the grave.”
See also the same expression in 44:29,31 The translators did not like to send 'Elohim’s servant, Jacob, to hell simply because his sons were evil.
1 Sam. 2:6 “The Lord killeth, and maketh alive: he bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up.”
1 Kings 2:6,9—”Let not his hoar head go down to the grave with peace….His hoar head bring thou down to the grave with blood.”
Job 7:9—”He that goeth down to the grave.”
Job 14:13—”Oh, that thou wouldst hide me in the grave, that thou wouldst keep me secret until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldst appoint me a set time, and remember me [resurrect me]!”
Job 17:13 “If I wait, the grave is mine house: I have made my bed in the darkness.”
Job waits for resurrection—”in the morning.”
Job 17:16 “They shall go down to the bars of the pit [grave], when our rest together is in the dust.”
Job 21:13 “They spend their days in mirth, and in a moment go down to the grave.”
Job 24:19,20 “Drought and heat consume the snow waters: so doth the grave those which have sinned.”
All have sinned, hence “Death passed upon all men,” and all go down to the grave. But all have been redeemed by “the precious blood of the Messiah”; hence all shall be awakened and come forth again in 'Elohim’s due time—”in the morning,” Rom. 5:12,18,19
Psa. 6:5 “In death there is no remembrance of thee; in the grave who shall give thee thanks?”
Psa. 30:3 “O Lord, thou hast brought up my soul from the grave: thou hast kept me alive, that I should not go down to the pit.”
This passage expresses gratitude for recovery from danger of death.
Psa. 31:17 “Let the wicked be ashamed; let them be silent in the grave.”
Psa. 49:14,15, “Like sheep they are laid in the grave: death shall feed on them; and the upright [the saints—Dan. 7:27] shall have dominion over them in the morning [the Millennial morning]; and their beauty shall consume, the grave being an habitation to every one of them. But 'Elohim will redeem my soul from the power of the grave.”
Psa. 88:3 “My life draweth nigh unto the grave.”
Psa. 89:48 “Shall he deliver his soul from the hand of the grave?”
Psa. 141:7 “Our bones are scattered at the grave’s mouth.”
Prov. 1:12 “Let us swallow them up alive as the grave: and whole, as those that go down into the pit”
I.e., as of an earthquake, as in Num. 16:30-33.
Prov. 30:15,16 “Four things say not, it is enough: the grave,” etc.
Eccl. 9:10 “Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.”
Song of Solomon 8:6 “Jealousy is cruel as the grave.”
Isa. 14:11 “Thy pomp is brought down to the grave.”
Isa. 38:10 “I shall go to the gates of the grave I am deprived of the residue of my years.”
Isa. 38:18 “The grave cannot praise thee, death cannot celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth.”
Num. 16:30-33 “If…they go down quick into the pit, then shall ye understand….The ground clave asunder that was under them, and the earth opened her mouth and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that appertained unto Korah, and all their goods. They and all that appertained to them went down alive into the pit, and the earth closed upon them: and they perished from among the congregation.”
Ezek. 31:15 “In the day when he went down to the grave.”
Hosea 13:14 “I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death. O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction. Repentance shall be hid from mine eyes.”
The Lord did not ransom any from a place of fire and torment, for there is no such place; but he did ransom all mankind from the grave, from death, the penalty brought upon all by Adam’s sin, as this verse declares.
This includes every instance of the use of the English word “hell” and the Hebrew word sheol in the Old Testament.
From this it must be evident that 'Elohim’s revelations for four thousand years contain not a single hint of a “hell,” such as the word is now understood to signify.
January 21, 2010 at 11:37 pm#171204ParticipantAmos 9:2 “Though they dig into hell, thence shall mine hand take them.”
A figurative expression; but certainly pits of the earth are the only hells men can dig into.
Psa. 16:10 “Thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.”
This refers to our Lord’s three days in the tomb. Acts 2:31; 3:15
Psa. 18:5 and 2 Sam. 22:6 “The cords of hell compassed me about.”
A figure in which trouble is represented as hastening one to the tomb.
Psa. 55:15 “Let them go down quick into hell”
The grave.
Psa. 9:17 “The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget 'Elohim.”
Their graves.
Psa. 86:13 “Thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest hell“
The grave.
Psa. 116:3“The sorrows of death compassed me, and the pains of hell gat hold upon me.”
Sickness and trouble are the figurative hands of the grave to grasp us.
Psa. 139:8 “If I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.”
'Elohim’s power is unlimited: even over those in the tomb he can and will exert it and bring forth all that are in the graves. John 5:28
Deut. 32:22 “For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn into the lowest hell.”
A figurative representation of the destruction, the utter ruin, of Israel as a nation “wrath to the uttermost,” as the Apostle called it, 'Elohim’s anger burning that nation to the “lowest deep,” as Leeser here translates the word sheol. 1 Thes. 2:16
Job 11:8 “It ['Elohim’s wisdom] is as high as heaven; what canst thou do? deeper than hell [than any pit]; what canst thou know?”
Job 26:6 “Hell [the tomb] is naked before him, and destruction hath no covering.”
Prov. 5:5 “Her feet go down to death; her steps take hold on hell .”
Prov. 7:27 “Her house is the way to hell [the grave], going down to the chambers of death.”
Prov. 9:18 “He knoweth not that the dead are there, and that her guests are in the depths of hell.”
Here the harlot’s guests are represented as dead, diseased or dying, and many of the victims of sensuality in premature graves from diseases which also hurry off their posterity to the tomb.
Prov. 15:11 “Hell and destruction are before the Lord.”
Here the grave is associated with destruction and not with a life of torment.
Prov. 15:24 “The path of life (leadeth) upward for the wise, that he may depart from hell beneath.”
This illustrates the hope of resurrection from the tomb.
Prov. 23:14 “Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell”
I.e., wise correction will save a child from vicious ways which lead to premature death, and may also possibly prepare him to escape the “Second Death”.
Prov. 27:20 “Hell [the grave] and destruction are never full: so the eyes of man are never satisfied.”
Isa. 5:14 “Therefore hell hath enlarged herself and opened her mouth without measure.”
Here the grave is a symbol of destruction.
Isa. 14:9,15 “Hell [margin, grave] from beneath is moved for thee, to meet thee at thy coming.” …”Thou shalt be brought down to hell” [the grave—so rendered in verse 11].
Isa. 57:9 “And didst debase thyself even unto hell.”
Here figurative of deep degradation.
Ezek. 31:15-17— “In the day when he went down to the grave,…I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit…. They also went down into hell with him, unto them that be slain with the sword.”
Figurative and prophetic description of the fall of Babylon into destruction, silence, the grave.
Ezek. 32:21 “The strong among the mighty shall speak to him out of the midst of hell with them that help him.”
A continuation of the same figure representing Egypt’s overthrow as a nation to join Babylon in destruction—buried.
Ezek. 32:27 “And they shall not lie with the mighty that are fallen of the uncircumcised, which are gone down to hell with their weapons of war: and they have laid their swords under their heads; but their iniquities shall be upon their bones, though they were the terror of the mighty in the land of the living.”
The grave is the only “hell” where fallen ones are buried and lie with their weapons of war under their heads.
Hab. 2:5 “Who enlargeth his desire as hell [the grave] and as death, and cannot be satisfied.”
Jonah 2:1,2 “Then Jonah prayed unto the Lord his 'Elohim, out of the fish’s belly, and said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the Lord, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.”
The belly of the fish was for a time his grave.
Isa. 28:15-18 “Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell [the grave] are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us, for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves: Therefore, saith the Lord, …Your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell [the grave] shall not stand.”
'Elohim thus declares that the present prevalent idea, by which death and the grave are represented as friends, rather than enemies, shall cease; and men shall learn that death is the wages of sin, now and that it is in Satan’s power (Rom. 6:23; Heb. 2:14) and not an angel sent by 'Elohim.
HELL = The GRAVE
January 21, 2010 at 11:12 pm#171197ParticipantThe last things that will be DESTROYED is DEATH and the HELL (GRAVE)!
January 21, 2010 at 11:09 pm#171195Participant“Hell” is the English rendering of two different Greek words in the New Testament
The English word is from the Anglo-Saxon hel, Genitive case helle = a hidden place, from the Anglo-Saxon helan = to hide.
It is in the New Testament used as the translation of two Greek words:
Gehenna.
Greek geenna.
This is the transliteration of the Hebrew Gai' Hinnom, that is to say the Valley of Hinnom or “the Valley” of [the sons of] Hinnom, where were the fires through which children were passed in the worship of Moloch.
In the Old Testament Tophet was the Hebrew word used, because it was a place in this valley.
In our Lord's day the idolatry had ceased, but the fires were still continually burning there for the destruction of the refuse of Jerusalem.
Hence, geenna was used for the fires of destruction associated with the judgment of 'Elohim.
Sometimes, “geenna of fire”. 2Kings 23:10. Isaiah 30:33. Jeremiah 7:31, 32; 19:11-14.
Geenna occurs 12 times, and is always rendered “hell”, Matthew 5:22, 29, 30; 10:28; 18:9; 23:15, 33. Mark 9:43, 45, 47. Luke 12:5. James 3:6.
Hades.
Greek hades, from a (privative) and idein, to see; used by the Greeks for the unseen world.
The meaning which the Greeks put upon it does not concern us; nor have we anything to do with the imaginations of the heathen, or the traditions of Jews or Romanists, or the teachings of demons or evil spirits, or of any who still cling to them.
The Holy Spirit has used it as one of the “words pertaining to the earth”, and in so doing has “purified” it, “as silver tried in a furnace” (Psalms 12:6).
From this we learn that His own words “are pure”, but words belonging to this earth have to be “purified”.
The Old Testament is the fountain head of the Hebrew language.
It has no literature behind it. But the case is entirely different with the Greek language.
The Hebrew Sheol is a word Divine in its origin and usage.
The Greek Hades is human in its origin and comes down to us laden with centuries of development, in which it has acquired new senses, meanings, and usages.
Seeing that the Holy Spirit has used it in Acts 2:27, 31 as His own equivalent of Sheol in Psalm 16:10, He has settled, once for all, the sense in which we are to understand it.
The meaning He has given to Sheol in Psalms 16:10 is the one meaning we are to give it wherever it occurs in the New Testament, whether we transliterate it or translate it.
We have no liberty to do otherwise, and must discard everything outside the Word of 'Elohim.
The word occurs eleven times (Matthew 11:23; 16:18. Luke 10:15; 16:23. Acts 2:27, 31. 1Corinthians 15:55. Revelation 1:18; 6:8; 20:13, 14); and is rendered “hell” in every passage except one, where it is rendered “grave” (1Corinthians 15:55, margin “hell”).
In the Revised Version the word is always transliterated “Hades”, except in 1Corinthians 15:55 (where “death” is substituted because of the reading, in all the texts, of thanate for hade), and in the American Revised Version also.
As Hades is the Divine Scriptural equivalent of Sheol.
It may be well to note that while “Hades” is rendered “hell” in the New Testament (except once, where the rendering “the grave” could not be avoided), Sheol, its Hebrew equivalent, occurs 65 times, and is rendered “the grave” 31 times (or 54%); “hell” 31 times (4 times with margin “the grave”, reducing it to 41.5%); and “pit” only 3 times (or 4.5 %).
“The grave”, therefore, is obviously the best rendering, meaning the state of death (German sterbend, for which we have no English equivalent); not the act of dying, as an examination of all the occurrences of both words will show.
The rendering “pit” so evidently means “the grave” that it may at once be substituted for it (Numbers 16:30, 33. Job 17:16).
The rendering “the grave” (not “a grave”, which is Hebrew keber or bor) exactly expresses the meaning of both Sheol and Hades.
For, as to direction, it is always down: as to place, it is in the earth: as to relation, it is always in contrast with the state of the living (Deuteronomy 32:22-25 and 1Samuel 2:6-8); as to association, it is connected with mourning (Genesis 37:34, 35), sorrow (Genesis 42:38. 2Samuel 22:6. Psalms 18:5; 116:3), fright and terror (Numbers 16:27, 34), mourning (Isaiah 38:3, 10, 17, 18), silence (Psalms 6:5; 31:17. Ecclesiastes 9:10), no knowledge (Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6, 10), punishment (Numbers 16:29, 34. 1Kings 2:6, 9. Job 24:19. Psalms 9:17 (Revised Version = re-turned)), corruption (Psalms 16:10. Acts 2:27, 31); as to duration, resurrection is the only exit from it (Psalms 16:11. Acts 2:27, 31; 13:33-37. 1Corinthians 15:55. Revelation 1:18; 20:5, 13, 14).
Tartaroo (occurs only in 2Peter 2:4) = to thrust down to Tartarus, Tartarus being a Greek word, not used elsewhere, or at all in the Septuagint. Homer describes it as subterranean (compare Deuteronomy 32:22, which may refer to this).
The Homeric Tartarus is the prison of the Titans, or giants (compare Hebrew Rephaim, Appendix 25), who rebelled against Zeus.
“Sheol”. Hebrew, Sheõl.
The first occurrence of this word is in Genesis 37:35, where it is rendered “grave”.
It occurs sixty-five times in the Hebrew of the Old Testament; and only by studying each passage by itself can the student hope to gather the Biblical usage of the word.
All heathen or traditional usages are not only worthless, but mischievous.
The following are all the passages where the word “Sheol” occurs, with the rendering in each passage indicated thus:
1. = grave, 2. = pit, 3. = hell:
1. Genesis 37:35.
1. Genesis 42:38.
1 Genesis 44:29,31.
2. Numbers 16:30,33.
3. Deuteronomy 32:22.
1. 1Samuel 2:6.
3. 2Samuel 22:6.
1. 1Kings 2:6,9.
1. Job 7:9.
3. Job 11:8.
1. Job 14:13.
1. Job 17:13.
2. Job 17:16.
1. Job 21:13.
1. Job 24:19.
3. Job 26:6.
1. Psalm 6:5.
3. Psalm 9:17.
3. Psalm 16:10.
3. Psalm 18:5.
1. Psalm 30:3.
1. Psalm 31:17.
1. Psalm 49:14,14,15.
3. Psalm 55:15. (margin grave).
3. Psalm 86:13. (margin grave).
3. Psalm 88:3.
1. Psalm 89:48.
3. Psalm 116:3.
3. Psalm 139:8.
1. Psalm 141:7.
1. Proverbs 1:12.
3. Proverbs 5:5.
3. Proverbs 7:27.
3. Proverbs 9:18.
3. Proverbs 15:11,24.
3. Proverbs 23:14.
3. Proverbs 27:20.
1. Proverbs 30:16.
1. Ecclesiastes 9:10.
1. Song of Solomon 8:6.
3. Isaiah 5:14.
3. Isaiah 14:9 (margin grave).
1. Isaiah 14:11.
3. Isaiah 14:15.
3. Isaiah 28:15,18.
1. Isaiah 38:10.
1. Isaiah 38:18.
3. Isaiah 57:9.
1. Ezekiel 31:15.
3. Ezekiel 31:16,17.
3. Ezekiel 32:21,27.
1. Hosea 13:14,14.
3. Amos 9:2.
3. Jonah 2:2 (margin grave).
3. Habakkuk 2:5.As meaning “THE grave,” it is to be distinguished from keber, A grave, or burying-place (from kabar, to bury, first occurrence Genesis 23:4): and bõr, a pit, generally hewn in the rock, hence used of a cistern (Genesis 37:20) or a dugeon, and etc., when dry. (See note below on the word “well” in Genesis 21:19.)
HELL = GRAVE, PIT, etc.
January 21, 2010 at 10:49 pm#171190ParticipantHell = Grave, Pit, Abyss
January 21, 2010 at 10:26 pm#171189ParticipantQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 21 2010,10:44) Quote (Elizabeth @ Jan. 22 2010,05:12) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 22 2010,01:46) Ed J Christ said: blessed are the ones who listen to their(the Apostles) messages; he was referring to the messages of the Apostles and to our messages.
NOT YOUR MESSAGE, SO LEAVE IT TO THE SCRIPTURES AND THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST TO GIVE THE UNDERSTANDING OF TRUTH.
Your truth will only end up confusing them?
Listen to me, please check your spelling before you make a post. You confuse others when you make a post like this one. If your Computer don't hae a ABC Check ask someone who can put that up for you, it really helps. Nobody can make out your posts, with Love I say this….
Irene
Hi Irene,Here is Terraricca's message deciphered.
It was slanderous and directed toward me.
Read the adjusted quote; this is what he meant.God bless you Irene
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Too funny
January 16, 2010 at 1:33 am#170386ParticipantQuote (Gene @ Jan. 13 2010,08:50) con…….I was going to bring up the scriptures the Terraricca brought up but no need to he already brought them up , but here is another one to think about. Luke 10.8…> And into whatever city ye enter and they recieve you, eat such things as are set before you:
I have known men who have eaten pork all their lives and have lived very long lives and seem to have been in good health to. While i tend to believe that Pork and certain other foods can present certain health problems if not curred and handles properly , i am not totally convinced that this is the reason GOD gave those clean and unclean laws. I still believe it was to show the CARNAL ISRAELITES that they must learn to make a destination between what is acceptable and unacceptable to God. Maybe both not sure
yet, I do believe GOD made garbage collectors on earth and in the waters also, and these can be more infectious to our systems.One thing you brought out that i do disagree with, is that we are not to drink fermented things , Jesus drank wine as well as the other Apostles all the time. So why do you believe we are not supposed to.
gene
There is no cure for trichinosis if received from pork.January 13, 2010 at 4:32 am#169888ParticipantYahuweh Created us to be Healthy
We had perfect health before the fall. Ge 1:26,31 compare Mt 5:48
Yahuweh's will for each of us today is that we be healthy. Ps 67:1,2, Jer 29:11, Jer 30:17,22, Jn 10:10
We will be restored to perfect health in Heaven. Rev 21:4, Rev 22:2,3
True Health is Holistic
Our being has physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual dimensions. Mk 12:30, Lk 10:27, 1Co 7:34
Soul = body + breath of life. Ge 2:7
However, breath of life = spirit. compare Ps 104:29 and Ecc 12:7
Therefore, soul = body + spirit.
Note: The spirit is not the same as the soul. Heb 4:12
The Ten Pillars of Health
Right relationship with Yahuweh Ex 15:26, Ex 23:25,26, Dt 7:12,15, Ps 103:2,3, Pr 3:7,8, Pr 4:20-22, Ac 3:19
Pure air Ge 2:7, Ps 104:29, Jn 3:8, Jn 20:22
Pure water Jn 4:13,14, Jn 7:37,38, Rev 22:1
Right food Ge 1:29, Lev 11:46,47, Mt 4:4, Mt 26:26-28, Jn 4:34, Jn 6:32,33,35,48,51, 2Co 6:17
Rest Ex 20:8-11, Mt 11:28,29, Heb 4:1,4,9,10
Exercise Ge 3:17-19, Ecc 1:13, Ac 24:16, 2Th 3:8-10, 1Ti 4:7,8, Heb 12:1
Sunlight Mal 4:2, Mt 13:43, Lk 11:33-36, Jn 3:19-21, Jn 8:12, 1Jn 1:5, Rev 22:5
Right attitude Ps 42:11, Pr 16:24, Pr 17:22, Pr 23:7, Ro 12:2, Gal 5:22,23, Php 4:8
Moderation in the use of good things Pr 6:9-11, Pr 20:13, Pr 25:16,27 compare Pr 24:13, Ecc 12:12, Isa 58:6-8
Abstinence from poisonous agents Pr 20:1, Pr 23:29-35, Ro 12:1, 1Co 3:16,17, 1Co 6:19,20, 1Co 9:26,27, 1Co 10:31, 2Co 6:17, 2Co 7:1, Gal 6:7,8, 1Th 5:22, 1Pe 2:11, 1Jn 3:2,3, Rev 17:1-6, Rev 18:1-4
January 13, 2010 at 4:29 am#169887ParticipantChoose to Leave Apostasy
“To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.” Isa 8:20
“And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.” Rev 18:4
January 13, 2010 at 4:27 am#169886Participant“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” Mt 7:21-23 Iniquity = Lawless
“By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.” Jn 13:35
“If ye love me, keep my commandments.” Jn 14:15
“Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.” Jn 15:8
“For we are his workmanship, created in Yashuw'ah HaMoshiach unto good works, which Yahuweh hath before ordained that we should walk in them.” Eph 2:10
“What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? … For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.” Jas 2:14,26
“He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of Yahuweh perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.” 1Jn 2:4-6
“And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of Yahuweh, and have the testimony of Yashuw'ah HaMoshiach.” Rev 12:17
“Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of Yahuweh, and the faith of Yashuw'ah.” Rev 14:12
January 13, 2010 at 4:16 am#169884ParticipantCalling Yahuweh's People Out of Babylon
“And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of Yahuweh, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.” Revelation 14:9-11
“And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: … And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. … And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.” Revelation 17:1,5,15
“And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and Yahuweh hath remembered her iniquities.” Revelation 18:1-5
January 13, 2010 at 4:07 am#169882ParticipantQuote (princess of the king @ Jan. 12 2010,18:51) terraricca, please excuse the intrusion, i will tell you right now, ron has love.
do not judge him, his practice is just, as you quote paul to him, he could quote the same to you.
if you feel the need, you could pass judgement on me also, for i do the same.
you were created by him, he would know what is best for you.
take care terraricca
Good answer, and it was from the heart, thank you.January 12, 2010 at 9:17 pm#169857ParticipantDoes the Bible say that concern over diet is insignificant? (Heb 13:8,9)
No
Verse 9 clearly indicates the concern to be with “divers” and “strange” doctrines. These are the teachings of men, not the commandments of Yahuweh.
Verse 8 emphsizes that Yahuweh does not change. Therefore, His laws do not change. His ceremonial law was a foreshadowing, a symbolism, that was fulfilled in Yashuw'ah HaMoshiach. Since our bodies have not changed, His health laws still apply.
January 12, 2010 at 9:16 pm#169855ParticipantDoes Yahuweh say that everything He created is good to be eaten? (1Ti 4:1-5)
No
Sanctification by the word of Yahuweh clearly indicates food which Yahuweh has set apart as clean.
Celibacy and abstinence as a form of penance are condemned as apostate teachings.
January 12, 2010 at 9:15 pm#169854ParticipantDid Paul tell the Colossians that the health laws are part of the ceremonial law and, therefore, obsolete? (Col 2:20-23)
No
Some commands to “Touch not” and “handle not” were part of the ceremonial law. (Nu 19:11-22 note the salvation symbolism in verse 17)
However, verse 22 clearly identifies the context as being about man made additions that were NOT commands from Yahuweh.
Verse 23 clearly identifies these man-made practices as being for external show, rather than of any internal, spritiual usefulness.
January 12, 2010 at 9:14 pm#169852ParticipantDid Paul tell the Colossians they could eat and drink whatever they want? (Col 2:16)
No
Note that the verse does NOT say “what you eat” or “what you drink”.
The food and drink refer to the various meal and drink offerings of the ceremonial law. (compare Lev 23:37)
Context: “a shadow of the things that were to come” (Col 2:17)
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