Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 26 2011,14:08)Hi Irene,The thread is locked, so it didn't copy with all the colors and links t8 originally used.  But it's there in part 2 for you.    Perhaps t8 could later replace it with the original, complete with colors and links.peace,mikeThanks again, it is good just like that…… But of course it would be be…[Read more]

Thank you Mike….Marty, go to the Preexisting Tread.  Mike just put an Article down that t8 made.  lots of scriptures that prove the Preexisting of Jesus.  I could not say it any better then t8 did….Peace Irene

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 26 2011,09:12)Quote (Baker @ April 25 2011,09:29)I do agree that WJ, KJ> and SF all gang up on Mike, but there too He ignores their rudeness, which I find they are…..I don't think that they will ever get away from their believe of the trinity.IreneAnd I think you are rude for saying this. I have always tried to be…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 26 2011,11:59)Quote (Baker @ April 25 2011,18:52)I was looking in the preexisting Tread, and seen the post t8 made with all those Scriptures.  however it is in the first part of that tread.  I tried to paste and copy it, but I am not so swift with something like that.  I also can;t bring that tread up since it's cl…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ April 26 2011,10:54)Istari!  First I want to say this.  Look what it says in verse 441Cr 15:44   It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 1Cr 15:40   also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial one, and the of the ter…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 26 2011,11:39)Quote (Baker @ April 25 2011,16:17)AND NOW, not just NOW, it indicates that at that time He wanted to have the glory back which He had with His Father before the world was.Good point – and I agree, Irene.Just because Jesus is saying, “I'm now ready, Father” doesn't mean he expected at that exact instant to…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ April 26 2011,10:09)Quote (Baker @ April 26 2011,09:17)Marty!  What you have done to John 17;5 is adding what you want to believe.  That my friend is uncalled for.  Tell me why does NOW indicate that Jesus is in the Father?   not what that says….. verse 4 indicates that His work on  earth was done, AND NOW, not just NOW, it indi…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ April 26 2011,10:16)Quote (942767 @ April 26 2011,05:49)Hi Paladin:I am sorry that this thread is way off topic and has taken a turn from what you intended to another thread for the discussion of the doctrine of pre-existence.Since I am not versed in the Greek language, please do me the favor of giving me your understanding, using…[Read more]

Istari!  First I want to say this.  Look what it says in verse 441Cr 15:44   It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 1Cr 15:40   also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial one, and the of the terrestrial another.  I also looked up cele…[Read more]

Marty! What you have done to John 17;5 is adding what you want to believe. That my friend is uncalled for. Tell me why does NOW indicate that Jesus is in the Father? not what that says….. verse 4 indicates that His work on earth was done, AND NOW, not just NOW, it indicates that at that time He wanted to have the glory back which He had…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ April 26 2011,04:21)Hey, Irene, thanks…Must be the sunshine over here has affected my thinking … Roll on winter!!! (Joking…)Lucky you, and you welcome…We had rain for so long. 11 inches so far this month. Breaking all records. And this week all rain again, with a little bit of sunshine…..The Ohio River will be 7 feet…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ April 26 2011,04:16)Irene,Are you Referring to Gene in your last post?All living bodies have Spirit in them – the intelligence that drives it's actions.Understand that Gene does not believe there are such things called Spirits as independent beings.Gene, therefore cannot read anything that pertaining to spirits in heaven.However,…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ April 26 2011,03:49)Irene,First, thank you for agreeing the aspects of what Spirit is that I outlined above. There is more but I don't claim all knowledge.The question you ask then is 'How does Spirit have a body'?And the inter-reply is 'What is a Body'?A body is an enclosed set of elements that form a discernible shape and move…[Read more]

Istari! I agree with you what a Spirit is, I guess I wanted to make sure, if Paladin was reading, this is what He believes, a post He made to me in 'incarnation tread.Sorry 'bout that Dear Sister;Jesus is not a spirit being. He is flesh and bone, with a spirit.That I don't believe… There is however a Scripture that says this1Cr 15:44 It is…[Read more]

Istari! Please don't make Mike look that bad. He is always trying to make others understand what He means. And I can see with so much said in one post, that He missed your answer. If you are still debating who the second Son of God is, I did answered that question on page 9…..I do agree that WJ, KJ> and SF all gang up on Mike, but there too…[Read more]

Paladin!  So every time it says which is in Heaven, it is not there in  the original transcript?  What about came down from Heaven?  Jhn 6:38   For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.  And John 3:13 first says Jhn 3:13   And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, the S…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2011,13:59)Good work Irene.  mikeThank you Mike, so do you….just wish some would take those Scriptures the way they are written, and don't interpret the way they want them to look. I simple don't get it……Or maybe I do…. One day we all will know the truth. When our King of Kings and Lord of Lords return,…[Read more]

Marty!  What does this Scripture mean?  What does all the Scripture I gave you mean?  No one hath ascendec up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven.  Meaning that He is the lord from Heaven, another ScriptureJhn 3:13   And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, the Son of man which is in heaven.  Jesus is ca…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2011,06:34)Yeah Irene.I don't know why Gene can't see that even if he didn't pre-exist, he STILL was never “exactly like us” anyway.  And you are right about Paladin, which is why I didn't include his name in my post to Marty.  He has a different personal reason for Jesus not to pre-exist:  He thinks for some reason th…[Read more]

How do you describe Spiritual matters to ones of flesh?Istari! I didn't say Spiritual flesh!!! Paladin did. Flesh, bone and Spirit… I said Spirit beings…..that is not the same…. Is it?Which part in Rev. 7 is symbolic to you???You said “Only Spirits exist in the Spirit realm.” With that I agree 100%….Peace Irene