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    Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 12 2011,20:58)Irene,I am attempting to show you that a spiritual body can be a material body.  The body is defined as “the organized physical substance of an animal or plant either living or dead” and “the material part or nature of a human being”A ghost is a spirit of a type being a soul and it exists without a body between…[Read more]

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    Quote (Tim Kraft @ Jan. 12 2011,20:50)Mike: Love is alway the answer. There is only God that exists. God is all inclusive.There is no outside of God. There is only life, good, light, God. God is absolute. Therefore there is no opposite to God. God is light and in him is no darkness at all. Light is an expressive force. Darkness is not. Darkness is…[Read more]

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    Adam! First I like to say that sin is still in this world. John tells is if we think we do not sin the truth is not in us. Second I think that the curse of the original sin is still with us. Woman still deliver Children in Labor pain. We still sin. The difference between the Old Covenant is that Christ paid the ransom for our sins Mar 10:45…[Read more]

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    Quote (Istari @ Jan. 11 2011,11:03)For there to be a Father, there must also be a Son.So, before there was a Son there was no Father.Be careful. There being no Father does not mean there was no person who would BECOME the Father.I have a Son. I am a Father.Before my Son was born, I was…but I was not yet a Father!God Almighty was not a Father…[Read more]

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    Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Jan. 12 2011,03:00)Irene said:Quote KJ  You took that Scripture out of context and applied it to Jesus, it is NOT JESUS read it all.Irene,It is applied to Jesus in Hebrews 1:1-6Quote 1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us…[Read more]

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    Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Jan. 12 2011,03:00)Irene said:Quote KJ  You took that Scripture out of context and applied it to Jesus, it is NOT JESUS read it all.Irene,It is applied to Jesus in Hebrews 1:1-6Quote 1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us…[Read more]

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    Baker replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 13 years, 10 months ago

    This is better then what I can explain. It is long, hut I found it to be good.     Seek and you will find       Search for:   “Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.” (Matthew 6:1, ESV)  Break this page from frames Add page to fav…[Read more]

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    Baker replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 13 years, 10 months ago

    Gene!  let me give you some of those Scriptures that you say that Jesus didn't exist before His birth on earth.Jhn 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.   Jhn 1:2   The same was in the beginning with God.   Jhn 1:3   All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.…[Read more]

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    Quote (Istari @ Jan. 12 2011,03:51)Irene,There are THREE occasions of Jesus being Son of God.1) when he was created like all the other Angels2) when he came as Man in the Flesh3) when he was raised up and made High Priest to God (Romans 1:4)The third and last was the most important because this was when he became the Everlasting Son, the Eternal…[Read more]

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    Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 11 2011,18:59)Irene,   What is the differency of a being with form and one with body?In the sense I speak a form has shape and structure but not matrial substance.  To be of the human kind one must have a human body as that is what determines kind.Here is my source of definitions.Kerwin!  The body is a form….is it not?  S…[Read more]

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    Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Jan. 11 2011,10:05)Irene said:Quote The Father YAHWEH always existed.God said, “I will BECOME a father to Him” (2 Samuel 7:14 and Hebrews 1:1-3). If God BECAME a Father, then He was NOT always a Father.  Quote The Son did not, He came forth from His Father.Jesus BECAME the Son when He was baptized at the Jordan. he was…[Read more]

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    Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 11 2011,21:15)Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 11 2011,16:14)Georg,All true students are called saints.  I believe you are speaking of martyrs.  I will have to look it up.  Revelations 20:4 specifically mentions those that beheaded because of the name of Christ.  That could be just one example of the types of martyrdom they suffered or…[Read more]

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    Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 11 2011,21:14)Georg,All true students are called saints.  I believe you are speaking of martyrs.  I will have to look it up.  Revelations 20:4 specifically mentions those that beheaded because of the name of Christ.  That could be just one example of the types of martyrdom they suffered or a specific type of they suf…[Read more]

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    Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 11 2011,21:20)Quote (Baker @ Jan. 11 2011,14:39)Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 09 2011,19:46)Pierre,It appears that one must literally ascend to enter heaven.Where in the Bible do you read that any one, human, will go to heaven?GeorgGeorg,I assume you mean besides Jesus.2 Kings 2:1(NIV) reads:Quote When the LORD was about to take Elijah…[Read more]

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    kerwinJud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. These angels are the once that came down from heaven, and married woman, as you read about in Gen. 6. Their first estate was heaven. They are not demons or…[Read more]

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    Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 08 2011,15:11)Georg,Their bodies have similarities to that of Jesus who was resurected from the dead.  He is an example of what we will be.You do know there are two resurrections, right?The “first” is for the saints, those that were chosen to reign with Christ; they are the “only once” that will be resurrected with a “spirit”…[Read more]

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    Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 09 2011,19:46)Pierre,It appears that one must literally ascend to enter heaven.Where in the Bible do you read that any one, human, will go to heaven?Georg

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    Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 08 2011,17:40)The question I have is “are demons immaterial or do they walk according to a certain spirit?  For example a ministering spirit can be a human being who lives according to the spirit of ministration while an immaterial being those ministers can also be called a ministering spirit.1 King 22:19-23(NIV) reads:Quote [Read more]

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    Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 11 2011,03:34)Hi Georg,Your a little late in joining in on this question.David has finally said that he refuses to answer this.Others associated with their group have answered though.But I wanted to hear what David said with regards to this question.This thread is about Jehovah's witnesses; I hope this clarifies things for…[Read more]

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    Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 11 2011,07:58)Quote (Baker @ Jan. 10 2011,12:10)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 08 2011,07:53)meant to say georgeSF  I just made a post in Mike vs, Francis tread.  Look it up.  God is a title…..and yes, there are other Gods 1Cr 8:5   For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be…[Read more]

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