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    Kathy! Rev 3:14 ¶ And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; Jesus is the beginning of Gods creation.Peace Irene

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    Paladin!   First I want to say to you, I know about Grace and Hope, we're under Grace….Eph 2:8   For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: the gift of God:   Eph 2:9   Not of works, lest any man should boast.   Eph 2:10   For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordai…[Read more]

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    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 28 2011,01:43)Quote (Baker @ April 26 2011,18:48)Keith!  I did answer your question.  Jesus is not God how you want Him to be.  He is not equal to Almighty God, that is why I gave you those two Scriptures.  God is a title, again in Ancient times many are called Gods.IreneI am sorry but I don't see an answer.If God…[Read more]

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    Quote (Lightenup @ April 27 2011,23:52)Irene,Jesus's death and man's death is in regards to the body and not the soul, you have agreed to that already.  Man can only kill the body of flesh, not the soul.  Jesus's flesh body died but not the spiritual part of Jesus and the spiritual part of man does not die with the body either.  Jesus's flesh bo…[Read more]

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    Paladin!  There are three Scriptures talking about the Mediator, you mentioned 1 Tim. 2:5Hbr 8:6   But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.  Jesus gave us a new covenant under His blood, and is He not the Mediator so we can go to the Th…[Read more]

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    I like to add this, Mal 4:1 ¶ For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. Mal 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness…[Read more]

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    Karmaria!   Rev 21:1 ¶ And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.   Rev 21:2   And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.   Rev 21:3   And I heard a great voice out of heaven sayin…[Read more]

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    Quote (kerwin @ April 27 2011,19:59)Irene,Please reread First Corinthians 15:50 again and you will see the word is “inherent” and not “enter”.  Those two words mean different things.For example a man inherits a house while his visitor who enters the same house does not inherit it.  As for me stating that God has not yet placed everything under the…[Read more]

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    Quote (kerwin @ April 27 2011,16:18)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 26 2011,07:36)Quote (kerwin @ April 25 2011,02:15)Lets assume you are correct at there is an inferred “All” in that passage.It does not state enter.  It states “inherit” which means “come into possession of”.Yes, let's DO assume that, since it says nothing to specify any particular kind[Read more]

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    Quote (Lightenup @ April 27 2011,13:38)Irene,Yes there is a point to this.  The deity of Christ did not die, only the flesh of Christ died…the deity of Christ continued on.KathiKathy! Were is your prove?Jhn 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; If Jesus always was deity, then why…[Read more]

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    Quote (Lightenup @ April 27 2011,11:30)Irene,So was the spirit of Jesus ever killed?KathiKathy!  Why are you asking all these questions, is there a point to this?  Jesus couldn't have died if He would have been a deity like His father is…..NO is the answer…..and neither will ours be killed, unless you are not good, and follow S…[Read more]

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    Hi! In Rev. 21 it will tell you that the New Jerusalem will come down from HeavenRev 21:1 ¶ And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her…[Read more]

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    Quote (Lightenup @ April 27 2011,11:08)Irene,Did you know that the Romans did not kill the soul of Jesus, only the body?Kathi! Only God can kill the Spirit, and one day He will kill all those Spirit Demons and Satan….You know I know that the Spirit goes back to God who gave it…. Jesus Spirit was no different. The Angels too are Spirit…[Read more]

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    Quote (Lightenup @ April 27 2011,10:45)Irene,Thanks for your answer.  So then you do not believe in the deity of Jesus Christ.  So Jesus became divine meaning He wasn't always divine but is after He was resurrected, is that what you are saying?Blessings to you,KathiKathy! If Jesus would have immortality, He would not been able to die for us. J…[Read more]

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    Keith!  I did answer your question.  Jesus is not God how you want Him to be.  He is not equal to Almighty God, that is why I gave you those two Scriptures.  God is a title, again in Ancient times many are called Gods.  Psa 82:1 ¶ ] God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.  Psa 86:8   Among the gods none like un…[Read more]

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    Quote (Lightenup @ April 27 2011,08:14)Hi Irene,I was wondering if you believe in the deity of Christ.Blessings,KathiKathy! No, Jesus is divine meaning He has immortality, never to die again, but He is not deity….Peace Irene

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    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 22 2011,10:11)Quote (Baker @ April 19 2011,19:02)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 20 2011,08:21)Quote (Baker @ April 19 2011,14:51)Yes, He is God, but not as great as His Father.IreneSo you believe in more than one God also?You say Jesus is “God”, but is Jesus “YOUR” God? ???WJKeith!   Hbr 1:8   But unto the Son , T…[Read more]

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    Marty, I especially had Mike bring this up for you. I hope you come and tell me one Scripture at the time and explain what is wrong with it…..Peace to you, Irene

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    Quote (Istari @ April 26 2011,19:19)Irene,Positive union between us on that.By the way,Omnipotent means 'All Powerful'OmniPresent means 'Everywhere' (All Present)Omniscient means 'All Knowing'True! But Jesus could not be everywhere, could He? Not that I know of….And that is what Charles was saying….I know also that God has giving Jesus…[Read more]

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    Charles! You have come here and written things that I don't believe are according to Scriptures. The Bible is the word of God, and if it is not in the Bible I for one will not believe it…. Omnipotent means that Almighty God by His Holy Spirit is everywhere. His Spirit is in all born again Christians. He keeps all alive by His Holy Spirit.…[Read more]

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