Artizan007 replied to the topic The Son of God in the forum Scriptural Teachings 18 years, 6 months ago
Some say Jesus is God, so why is it kept hush hush in the Scriptures… A dogma can only be built on many direct statements repeated throughout scripture: It states he is the Son of God, Son of Man over and over, but not once is it stated he is God the Son or God the Man?In fact can you find any of these words and phrases in the bible:Trinity,…[Read more]
Artizan007 replied to the topic The Son of God in the forum Scriptural Teachings 18 years, 6 months ago
Back to the topic I digressed – sorry:Why does John 1 have to be The Word and not the word. The word was spoken and it became flesh in the past (not human but a creature), God breathed and that breath “became” a living creature in the past – God's word is an active, creative force – the word of God created the heavens in Psalm 33:6, the stary…[Read more]
Artizan007 replied to the topic The Son of God in the forum Scriptural Teachings 18 years, 6 months ago
Hi Malcom,When it says Moses spoke “face to face”, is it literal or is it another way of saying Moses was a friend of God and had an intimate relationship with the LORD. A divine encounter… For in the next verses it says, you cannot see my face and live… so it was a up close and personal, but probably His presence, not His essence was…[Read more]
Artizan007 replied to the topic The Son of God in the forum Scriptural Teachings 18 years, 6 months ago
Hi Malcom,I see it says God SPOKE to us through our ancestors and prophets at many times and in various ways, not revealed Himself to us… in differing forms and for differing purposes… in the last says he has spoken through his Son.Do you agree?
Artizan007 replied to the topic The Son of God in the forum Scriptural Teachings 18 years, 6 months ago
Malcom,You dont think that the light and pillars of fire, clouds, lightenings etc are more like the result of God in action rather than God himself. Just a thought.If I am made in God's image, I would find it disconcerting to think that I am really serving a pillar of fire, or a light… yes He is Light, and a fire goes before him, but is that…[Read more]
Artizan007 replied to the topic The Son of God in the forum Scriptural Teachings 18 years, 6 months ago
Malcom,I will take your two cents worth… I bet there is more in the piggy bank where those came from… Keep seeking
Artizan007 replied to the topic The Son of God in the forum Scriptural Teachings 18 years, 6 months ago
Thanks Sammo,That is where my understanding seems to be taking me too… but I will keep seeking and praying to understand this Truth.
Artizan007 replied to the topic The Son of God in the forum Scriptural Teachings 18 years, 6 months ago
Hi Is 1:8,Thanks for your reply… I am well, thanks for asking…I know that is how you are supposed to understand these “messiahanic” verses but it still seems to be taken out of context by chosing a half verse and ignoring the rest of the sentence…Some are simply way out… ie: Heb 1:7 cf Deut 32:43 (nothing like that in my TNIV or NKJV) Kind…[Read more]
Artizan007 replied to the topic The Son of God in the forum Scriptural Teachings 18 years, 6 months ago
God has a form but is invisible to men, according to scripture. His throne is in heaven but it too has been manifested in visible form as shown in Ez 1-10 and seems to be composed of living spiritual beings… with wheels!I agree… not visible to men but God has a form. I can go with that. I just struggle to understand he is Spirit yet does not…[Read more]
Artizan007 replied to the topic The Son of God in the forum Scriptural Teachings 18 years, 6 months ago
Hey Nick,you said:Hi A7,I think the key scripture about the Fatherhood of God is Ps 2. God exults in the Son He, and I believe He alone, has begotten. No mention of the role of the dust of man as in the conception within Mary's womb.The Son relates what He has heard the Father say;1. Son relates what He has heard the Father say; – hold on, David…[Read more]
Artizan007 replied to the topic The Son of God in the forum Scriptural Teachings 18 years, 6 months ago
Thanks Malcom,I will read your post later… need to go finish some work.
Artizan007 replied to the topic The Son of God in the forum Scriptural Teachings 18 years, 6 months ago
Does God fill us litterally, or is it that His breath (or spirit) is in us and his presence is with us – but God himself does not dwell in me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You dont believe the Word had a body in the distant past, so before he came to earth in your view, he was Spirit and nothing else – and Spirit to you has no bodily shape. No form…[Read more]
Artizan007 replied to the topic The Son of God in the forum Scriptural Teachings 18 years, 6 months ago
Hey Nick you said:Reincarnation is by definition the occupying of one body after leaving another, something demons and Satan can do.re·in·car·na·tion n1.in some systems of belief, the cyclical return of a soul to live another life in a new body. Also called rebirth2.in some systems of belief, a person or animal in whose body somebody’s soul…[Read more]
Artizan007 replied to the topic The Son of God in the forum Scriptural Teachings 18 years, 6 months ago
Hey Nick,I do not misjudge you at all i am just trying to understand where you are coming from and if what you believe rings true. A lot of things you have shared have been very good but I want to know on this where you base your doctrine of an eternal Son begotten of the Father in time past. Alone and without another.I know you did not compair…[Read more]
Artizan007 replied to the topic The Son of God in the forum Scriptural Teachings 18 years, 6 months ago
Hey Nick,I write more questions from your post – I want to understand so this is not a dig or anything. Just trying to see how your thoughts unravel on this topic of Jesus the Son of God.Elephant and a shrew are supposedly related… go figure 😉 but to say that Jesus is (like and Elephant) and we are (like a mouse) is to say that Jesus is not…[Read more]
Artizan007 replied to the topic The Son of God in the forum Scriptural Teachings 18 years, 6 months ago
Thanks for your post.Nick I agree truth is truth, providing it is truth!So said all the “greats” but what they thought as truth is not necessarily truth we later discovered but rather it was their interpretation of truth… and they died believing what they held was The Truth and even put others to death who did not believe in that truth… I am…[Read more]
Artizan007 replied to the topic The Son of God in the forum Scriptural Teachings 18 years, 6 months ago
Hi Nick & Malcom,Still trying to understand this whole concept. My thoughts have changed so drastically since being on this site that I have to completely relook at the scriptures and see what I do believe… I am enjoying it but at the same time the “what I used to believe”, “what Scriptures can be taught to say” and the “what I am beginning to…[Read more]
Artizan007 replied to the topic Logos in the forum Scriptural Teachings 18 years, 6 months ago
Hey Nick,You said; So how can Christ be such things if he is only a man? Men are made in the image of God but they are not the image. Men are only the breath of God into a body of clay.They are not begotten from the being of God himself.You said man is made in the image of God, Christ is the Image. Is there any difference in that! If so, then…1…[Read more]
Artizan007 replied to the topic Logos in the forum Scriptural Teachings 18 years, 6 months ago
Can anyone give me a scripture to state that Jesus was not created? I have looked and cannot find one that specifically states this!Thanks
Artizan007 replied to the topic Understanding how we're made… in the forum Scriptural Teachings 18 years, 6 months ago
I agree Kenrch…
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