“As the Son of God, I’m seated at the right hand of our Heavenly Father & as the Son of Man, I govern the Universe for all eternity! Alleluia! Amen! <3 🙂 * “(Y)

So as the Son of God and Son of Man are you also God?

“yes John claims Jesus is greater than he but no mention of coming before.” I there meant Luke not John;and neither Matthew or Mark use the chronological term “before”, but ” he who comes after me is mightier than I” not because he was before me but because he baptizes in the Holy Spirit.

So why is John the only one who says “he was before  me”…[Read more]

I watched the video and have my doubts as to whether the muslim’s main problem was solved by the ex-muslim but the explanation is interesting. And the term “son of God” as it’s applied to Jesus in the NT does invoke divinity in some form.Even if Jesus didn’t become the son of God until he was resurrected and ascended that still puts him in a…[Read more]

Jael,

Andrew, Andrew, Andrew… You lose!!! And just how do I lose? Your examples are ideas you get from other places and try to read into the verses we are discussing. You don’t expound the verse at all. I don’t see any reference to last Adam in John 8; that’s something from Paul. And neither is the saying “the first shall be last” from the s…[Read more]

Jael,

You say-‘..The spiritual was not first. The flesh was first and then the spiritual!’ but remember we are talking from John’s gospel in which that spiritual Logos,which is Christ,was before all things. Christ tells those Jews in 8:51 that if a man keeps his saying he will never taste death.Their response is Abraham and the prophets are dea…[Read more]

Jael,

You say-‘..The spiritual was not first. The flesh was first and then the spiritual!’ but remember we are talking from John’s gospel in which that spiritual Logos,which is Christ,was before all things. Christ tells those Jews in 8:51 that if a man keeps his saying he will never taste death.Their response is Abraham and the prophets are dea…[Read more]

Jael,

“Jesus said he came forth from God. This is the same as being sent.”

But Jesus claimed in John 8 that he existed before Abraham and the Jews tried to stone him. If he would’ve just said well I was in God’s mind before Abraham was they probably wouldn’t have reacted so harshly. And you know John claims the preexistence of Jesus…[Read more]

As for the WRITINGS AND CITATIONS BY CHURCH FATHERS AND OTHERS:

First is mentioned Gail Riplinger-1) AD 170 – Old Syriac Version (G.A. Riplinger, p. 381)-This lady has written several books condemning all other translations but the kjv and accuses all who use them or had any hand in producing them as satanists and anti-christs.This woman lies a…[Read more]

As for the WRITINGS AND CITATIONS BY CHURCH FATHERS AND OTHERS:

First is mentioned Gail Riplinger-1) AD 170 – Old Syriac Version (G.A. Riplinger, p. 381)-This lady has written several books condemning all other translations but the kjv and accuses all who use them or had any hand in producing them as satanists and anti-christs.This woman lies a…[Read more]

I don’t find the evidence of this article overwhelming at all and notice it’s put out by Landmark Baptists who are KJV only and of course trinitarians.I’ve come to realize that any sect that is pushing their own agenda will always point to whatever evidence they think makes them right,while usually ignoring, changing and misinterpreting the…[Read more]

T8,

I understand what you were saying and the point I felt he was trying to make. Also I realize how it is to get bullheaded in our ideas or thinking patterns,so that sometimes we just can’t see the forest for the trees.

Mia,

“Sorry to interrupt, but of Course Christ pre-existed. Who would know but him, God, and those who know or knew him, so just ASK him!”

No need to apologize and glad to see you ! There’s not been many here lately. Please feel free to join the conversation.
11 Truly, I say to you, among those born of women there has arisen no one greater than…[Read more]

Jael,

“Andrew, how did you suddenly turn on the ‘pre-existent christ’ pipe?” I wonder how Paul did? for it appears he certainly did and people have got the same idea from Paul in this passage for centuries. Were there Christians in Paul’s time that would disagree with him on Christ’s preexistence? Of course there were just like some do tod…[Read more]

Jael,

“Ah, skipping questions that can only result in revealing and affirming trinity fallacies…” Your questions bother me not at all but as you say they are a way to distract from the topic and avoid the real question of “in the form of God” and what Paul is saying about Jesus. I’m not interested right now with what trins think,but what Paul t…[Read more]

Jael,

“Ah, skipping questions that can only result in revealing and affirming trinity fallacies…” You’re questions bother me not at all but as you say they are a way to distract from the topic and avoid the real question of “in the form of God” and what Paul is saying about Jesus. I’m not interested right now with what trins think,but what Paul t…[Read more]

Jael,

“Andrew, you say that there are many explanations … but you fail to show any. How am I to understand the mind of a fallacious belief when you show no evidence at all. I guess you looked and equally found them all unbelievable and unsupported from Scriptures ((NOT THE TRINITY CREED!!”

I know you dispute the trinitarians so you don’t need m…[Read more]

No I don’t agree with you,and showed you plainly how you accused others of believing the holy spirit became an actual bird. And again I’ve never heard of anyone who thinks that. The dove is symbolic and there is nothing wrong with symbols. And does a dove reside in heaven? I don’t think so. Is God a sun and a shield? I don’t think so but the bible…[Read more]

No I don’t agree with you,and showed you plainly how you accused others of believing the holy spirit became an actual bird. And again I’ve never heard of anyone who thinks that. The dove is symbolic and there is nothing wrong with symbols. And does a dove reside in heaven? I don’t think so. Is God a sun and a shield? I don’t think so but the bible…[Read more]

Jael,

“Now read the baptism of Jesus in JOHN  where it says ‘…some thought it thundered…’. God’s voice is not a human voice clearly discernible. This ‘thunder’ phenomenon is reflected in other scriptures where God speaks in the hearing of a crowd.” – There is no baptismal account of Jesus in John,and Jn 12:29 where “some said it thundered” has…[Read more]

Jael,

“Now read the baptism of Jesus in JOHN  where it says ‘…some thought it thundered…’. God’s voice is not a human voice clearly discernible. This ‘thunder’ phenomenon is reflected in other scriptures where God speaks in the hearing of a crowd.” – There is no baptismal account of Jesus in John,and Jn 12:29 where “some said it thundered” has…[Read more]