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Oh well, can't say i didn't try
can't argue with someone if it is impossible to change there mind no matter how much evidence you give them
i give up on you guys, sorry

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But of course you being an atheist how am I to believe you, a lie would be nothing for you after all their is no God so anything goes, right? So never mind.

i would go on about how ignorant and foolish you are, but I'm much to busy, i got to get back to my baby masochism and shrine in my attic floor

it isn't the people who believe in god that i have the problem with, its people like kenrch that have no logic

this i think is fairly compelling evidence that religion in some cases can cause dementia

kenrch, i hope you get help

Does someone want to explain why this fine young gentile is so ignorant?
and how atheist have a moral code?
he won't take my word for it, clearly!

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How do you edit posts?

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Oh yeah, back to the topic of what this is titled. is it agreed that evolution is entirely possible, there are facts such as DNA, fossils, and proof that animals are still evolving, with ring species that evolution is a logical conclusion?

also that deceases evolve and hence they get immunities to antibiotics

But everyone agrees that there is some form of evolution correct?

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The bible says Adam named all the animals. This must be true simply because you have NO answer or do you?

using this logic god must be real because we can not disprove him?
same with the bigfoot, flying spaghetti monster, and of course my favorite kind of cereal oooglyMcJaggarpuff

prove those don't exist and ill tell you who named the animals

oh hey but you know theres still that problem with the languages right? like… the animals are not named the same in every place in the world..

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“The fool has said there is no God”.

Who ever quoted this from the bible is about as right as it comes! watch this video.. It is rather interesting how many more atheist's are in jail then Christians maybe we are bad people?

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NOW, given that postitive and negative evolution can occur
here is proof that we were on a postive evolution, from one skull to another
by comparisons of crainal volume in messurements of cubic centimeters

because the smarter of us, survived

Also may contain some vestigial genetic information from your ancestors. But you don't contain all of it. You are not “your ancestor plus some extra stuff”. Even if genetics did work that way, you've had a lot of ancestors down through the years. There isn't room in your DNA to record them all.

I say Evolution is true, if De-evolution is true
there is ABSOLUTELY no reason for it not to be if de-evolution is true

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Give me proof of De-evolution
i don't believe in it
😛

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so you believe only de-evolution exists?
meaning humans are less then they were?
were turning back into monkeys?
is that what your saying?because your saying de-evolution is happening…
but yet you still claim normal evolution *the increase instead of the decrease of information in DNA* is impossible?
even if it makes perfect since the ones that get random mutations that they benefit from for there environment and increase survival?

If DNA can lose information, it can gain it by random mutations and mistakes from copying itself!

Evolution is the Non-random survival of randomly varying replications

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This information would not be expected to increase, but could decrease with time—in other words, any genetic changes would be expected to be informationally downhill. Evolution (in the normal meaning of the word) implies on the other hand that a single cell has become people, pelicans and palm trees. If true, then this is an uphill process—involving a massive increase of information.2

YES! exactly, because the ones that loss information, or get information do not survive… and only the ones with the right information survives
and so either the entire species goes extinct (it happens) or they improve and survive to evolve another day

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He he…ring species huh?….wouldn't that be an example of devolution since this speciation involves a loss of genetic information?

omg i can't believe im dealing with this!

No its a different set of genetics that fit for there environment, monkey's are not less evolved then us.. like it or not neither is a germ!

things only evolve if they have too
you obviously do not understand, I'm sorry but you can not de-evolve… you just simply evolve to survive in your environment… thats it

now… what?
whats there to show that isnt true?
even if it was de-evolution, wouldn't it still help prove the fact of evolution?
regardless… its still evolution

any more criticisms? you nutty guy you

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Hello AJ4,
I was hoping you could just name what you think is the single best piece of proof for the veracity of the theory of darwinian evolution. Can you do that for me AJ4?

Blessings

why would you rather have just one piece of proof, when i have already given you so many?

i think it would probably Ring species 😛

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_species

“In describing two distinct species of salamanders, Dawkins teaches us about ring species. This example describes how the ancestor of both species lived at the north end of a valley surrounded on the east and west by mountains. The ancestors migrated separately southward, each inhabiting it’s own side of the valley (east or west), evolving through the years in isolation with respect to the members on the opposite side of the valley. Finally, upon meeting at the southern end of the valley, the salamanders had evolved to the point of separate species, no longer capable of interbreeding.”

Explain that without evolution

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God doesn't believe in Atheists.

Good! that means we don't exist hahaha

well its not possible to scientifically prove big foot is not real is it?
or that there is a tea pot orbiting mars?you can't prove somethings but it doesn't mean you should believe in them

however there is no proof of such, so we shouldn't believe it
there isn't a proof of a god, and there for i say there isn't one, its my belief, that we shouldn’t believe there is one
surely you don't believe there is a tea pot orbiting mars do you?
you would be a-teapotst as i am also, along with an atheist
do you really want to leave such stupid possibility open simply because you can not prove them?
i think not
as soon as you realize why you dismiss all the other gods of the world, present and past, you will understand why I dismiss yours

now the guy on the video you sent us, uses the cosmology argument,
Every finite and contingent being has a cause.
Nothing finite and dependent (contingent) can cause itself.
A causal chain cannot be of infinite length.
Therefore, there must be a first cause; or, there must be something that is not an effect. *the video says its god*

Now this is my argument to such an argument, its practically the same argument isn’t it?

Premise 1:if nothing exists, there are no laws because laws of matter exist because matter existed. there for it is possible for matter to exist with out a cause for the very fact that no law would prevent it (the law of conservation does not exist, until matter exists)

Premise 2: if anything at all exists it must have laws that govern it *as observed in this universe there is nothing that can do anything or that qualifies for everything*

Premise 3: the moment anything existed, it becomes everything and all the laws of the universe that exist along with the beginning of time

Premise 4: the laws of physics do not and cannot change.

Premise 5: the first thing to exist must apply to all the laws of physics that ever has existed in this universe at once.

Premise 6: To say god was the first to exist, forces god to obey all the laws of matter and energy, because he would be just: matter and energy. And there for if there is a god, god is the universe.

Premise:7 The universe itself or anything in it, can not be omnipotent, omniscient, and/or omnipresent because nothing can travel faster then the speed of light and the speed of light is not an infinite and so it would always take some amount of time for information to reach anything at any distance. Also there is constant random change in the universe. And so at any given time nothing could know everything

And so the god in the Judeo-Christian sense does, and cannot exist 😛 unless there is something wrong think you guys should start begging the question and find my fallacies if I have any 😛

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well i mean we can't know all the past, but thats the only thing we can know…. we can't even know the presents

we do know laws of the universe however… making us sure that when the sun sets, the warm water and the cooling land will cause wind, and so on
if of course it all stopped, we would have to change are theory's and so on

but yes.. the most aggravating thing is when people say to stop asking
a person told me to be a child on this topic…
how horrible is that? i don't even get it… honestly
other then to believe what your told like children do with Santa and so on.

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Hi a4, So barring car accidents, heart attacks,cancer or a stroke, you, with your diet and aspirin, are hopeful of living maybe 80 years of so? That is enough?

yes it is, i plan to eat healthier and stuff, see how long i can live.. but yeah i'm just fine with dieing.. why arnt you?

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Margerine? haha jk
yeah things happen but you can only guess on things that involve the future… it is impossible to predict the future…
however it is not impossible to know the past!

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If you stay here long enough you will also see that the reason I scored fairly well is because I *also* base a lot of my beliefs on logic and reason. Oh, and by the way, I majored in Psychology…I could have received 0 hits/0 bullets if I wanted to, I knew what they were asking for (ha), but I had to be true to my answers even though they seemed to be in apparent contradiction. I'm OK with some contradictions in my life (it makes it interesting).

so far im liking you more then anyone els on here hahaha

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This test was whacked. I stopped on this question: “If God exists she could make it so that everything now considered sinful becomes morally acceptable and everything that is now considered morally good becomes sinful.”

no please just keep taking it… ignore the hers and shes and the whatevers… please just take it as what you believe…

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Stats are not proof. Stats are not evidence of your life continuing tomorrow…….. At last, you have no proof or evidence that you will wake tomorrow morning. However, you do “trust” that because of past results with baby aspirin, and past reports of young people not having heart attacks that you will wake tomorrow. I'm sure you will, too. But I have no evidence or proof of it.

right, but it makes more since to believe that you will, because you have more evidence you will *health etc* then that you will die
so thats still the logical conclusion
i guess i only believe what seems the most logical… that makes sense correct?

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yeah haha i just want to see what people say
oh yeah and if your wondering what mine is * i feel i should put mine up as well*

i got the highest of both, but this is because of course the test is based on logic, and so are all my belieifs so… you can see how that happens right?

so DIY – 1.0
Battleground – 0hits/0bullet

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Hi a4, If we knew what God knows we we not be God? Luke 12:6 Are not five sparrows sold for two farthings, and not one of them is forgotten before God?

explain better… its confusing and i don't want my response sound ignorant 😛

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AJ, I went to the link you provided earlier and read the article that Penn wrote. Very interesting. I'm sure you've read the scripture, “It's impossible to please God without faith.”? Because without faith, you cannot believe that God exists. An imaginary friend? No. I don't personally believe so. You see, I have “evidence” that God is real. I have personal healings, I've had prayers answered. I've FELT his presence so close to me that the hair on my arm raised……..what would you call that? Hysteria? High hopes? Dilusions?

A prayer is always answered in the form of YES, NO and WAIT
http://www.godisimaginary.com/video8.htm please watch this! really i think it can help explain this very well

also i've had hair raise on songs, or personally, if you have seen NASA TV, the sound and the symbol, at least in my family i get the same feeling but this doesn't really mean anything does it?

you cannot get knowledge from feelings… sorry

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“You see, I have “evidence” that God is real.”?

What are they?

would you like a PDF document?
its called why i no longer believe, its Anti-Mormonism, but it explains lots of good feelings, Mormons and jeehoves witnesses claim to have good feelings, along with I'm sure hundreds of other religions…
what does this mean? it doesn't mean its right? in the bible god said all in the heart was evil, and that he would send strong delusion

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Do you believe you will wake up tomorrow morning? What evidence do you have that this will happen? What proof is there that your heart will keep ticking till the dawn?

well, so far i have everyday of my life
i am healthy
i eat good
i am young
and hearts haven't been documented to stop working with out ANY reason
also i take aspirin *thats good for your heart* fairly often

by statistics, from the fact that i'm healthy, young, and that hearts just don't stop working, without any reason i'm sure i am going to wake up tomorrow and be just fine

just like I'm sure the sun will rise everyday
things happen for a reason wouldn't you agree that everything has a cause?
*for those who know the cosmology argument this would be a great time to jump in… i do have an excellent argument to add to it, making my points even stronger *

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