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    Thanks, AndrewAD, and I pray that God would bless you and yours.

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    Hi AndrewAD

    Every born again believer has the Father dwelling within himself, and this is the witness that testifies that His Word is true:

    Romans 8

    8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

    9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of C…[Read more]

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 8 years, 4 months ago

    Hi hoghead1:

    Those scriptures that I have posted that show that Jesus was subordinate to the Father are not ambiguous, and so, the scriptures that you say conflict with what is clear by these scriptures must have an interpretation which lines up with what is being clearly stated.  If your interpretation of the prologue to John 1 conflicts with…[Read more]

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 8 years, 4 months ago

    Hi hoghead1:

    You say:

    Hi, Marty,

    According to Jn. Christ  is a preexistent, sentient being, however. Christ is God, and certainly God is preexistent and sentient.

    Well, Jesus stated:

    John 17:

    3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

    And the Apostle Paul stated in 1 C…[Read more]

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 8 years, 4 months ago

    Hi hoghead1:

    In light of those scriptures which state that Jesus is subordinate to the Father, and the fact that he has stated that there is only one true God, could it be the church which claims to be Orthodox in their doctrines, may have misunderstood the prologue of John 1?

    The Logos is that which God has spoken, and it conveys to us that…[Read more]

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 8 years, 4 months ago

    Hi hoghead1:

    In light of those scriptures which state that Jesus is subordinate to the Father, and the fact that he has stated that there is only one true God, could it be the church which claims to be Orthodox in their doctrines, may have misunderstood the prologue of John 1?

    The Logos is that which God has spoken, and pertains to Jesus, it is…[Read more]

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 8 years, 5 months ago

    Hi hoghead1:

    You write:

    Hello, Marty,

    It seems you are appealing to biblical passages that suggest  subrodinationism among the Father, Son, and Spirit.  As such, they do appear to contradict the Trinity; what appears to be the case is that the Son and Spirit are lesser lieutenants sent to do the Father’s bidding, the latter alone being the Boss…[Read more]

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 8 years, 5 months ago

    Hi hoghead1:

    When the scripture states that Jesus is “the express image of God’s person”, it speaks of God’s character that has been made manifest to us through the life of our Lord Jesus as he obeyed God’s Word without sin even unto death on the cross.  Jesus stated in John 14 that we who have seen him have seen the Father, and then he tells…[Read more]

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 8 years, 5 months ago

    Hi hoghead1:

    I think the Trinity may “beat” you , Marty, simply because you fail to bear in mind that it is claiming there are three, not  one, but three entities involved here:  The Father, the Son, and the Spirit.  Each of these is taken to be God, or, more specifically, a key dimension of one God.  That is based on the fact that Scriptur…[Read more]

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    Hi AndrewAD:

    Oh thanks for the testimony Marty for we are saved by the word of God and the word of our testimony. And take note to one of the verses you quote that he that believes has the witness in himself which as I quoted is that evidence of things not seen.

    As born again believers, the witness in ourselves, that God is a reality and that…[Read more]

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 8 years, 5 months ago

    hoghead1:

    John 1c says that the Word was God.  You say that the Word in John 1 is Jesus, in a pre-incarnate state, and that would make him God, but he has stated in John 17:3 that he came reveal the “one True God”, and the Apostle Paul has identified that God “as the Father” in 1 Co 8:6, and  the following scripture states:

    Ephesians 4…[Read more]

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 8 years, 5 months ago

    Hi hoghead1:

    If your interpretation to the prologue to John 1 or the other scriptures that you say imply the “Trinity doctrine” do not line up with what Jesus said in John 17:3 and what the Apostle Paul stated in 1 Co. 8:5-6, and what God has revealed to us that Jesus is “the Christ, the Son of the Living God” in Matt. 16:16-17, then your…[Read more]

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    Hi AndrewAD:

    You ask:

    Where is God exactly? He lives in the heart/mind of the believer. For now faith is the substance of things hoped for,the evidence of things not seen.

    God is a living person whose throne is in heaven, but He is everywhere in his creation by His Spirit.  He dwells in every born again believer by His Spirit.

    In February…[Read more]

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 8 years, 5 months ago

    Hi hoghead1:

    You say:

    I am inclined to agree with you, provided a number of necessary qualifiers are put into place.  Now, I’m not trying to kill everything here, with a million qualifiers. But truth is, some very important qualifiers must be brought into play. First, many key issues faced are not at all directly dealt with by Scripture .  One…[Read more]

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    No, the sons of God are not angels in Genesis 6.  Angels are not able to procreate.

    And, God has never has said to anyone or any angels “Thou art my Son this day have I begotten thee.”  Angels are the sons of God but they are not begotten of God.  Men in the OT who were under the Law of God were not begotten of God, but they are called the so…[Read more]

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 8 years, 5 months ago

    Hi hoghead1:

    It is not the church fathers that should determine Christian doctrine, but the scriptures themselves.

    God has said, speaking to the Nation of Israel:
    Exodus 20:3-6 ESV 
    “You shall have no other gods before me. “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the eart…[Read more]

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    Pre-existence or preeminence

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