Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 26 2011,11:17)Quote (942767 @ May 25 2011,18:12)He existed in the heart of the Father prior to the foundation of the world, but not as a sentient person,And it is this glory he asked to be returned to in 17:5?  The glory of a “thought” in the Father's heart or mind?That is like Pinocchio, after being transformed into a…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ May 26 2011,05:12)Marty, Wise-up Man!!I am surprised at you – I thought you were a believer!'A body you have created for me'.The Spirit of Jesus was placed into the body of a babe after it was emptied of it's glory as a Spirit in heaven.God Almighty taught Jesus what to say and do – how to say and do – and Jesus did exactly as he…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ May 25 2011,23:52)Marty!  You say Jesus came down from Heaven, but you don't believe that Jesus was there as a spirit being.  Also what does it mean when He said this inJhn 17:4   I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.  Jhn 17:5   And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 26 2011,10:55)Oh yeah. I can see what you are saying now.He wasn't a sentient person prior. So he is neither the Angel of the LORD or the LOGOS that was with God?So he is like us, having started his life as a person on Earth?Hi t8:The “Logos” pertain to him, but the Logos is not a person, but is what God has spoken.He existed in…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ May 26 2011,08:05)Quote (942767 @ May 26 2011,07:38)Quote (bodhitharta @ May 25 2011,13:31)Quote (942767 @ May 25 2011,11:02)Quote (bodhitharta @ May 21 2011,13:08)Quote (942767 @ May 20 2011,10:31)Quote (bodhitharta @ May 20 2011,10:21)Quote (shimmer @ May 19 2011,12:31)Quote So are you saying that Jesus wasn't being literal?…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ May 25 2011,13:31)Quote (942767 @ May 25 2011,11:02)Quote (bodhitharta @ May 21 2011,13:08)Quote (942767 @ May 20 2011,10:31)Quote (bodhitharta @ May 20 2011,10:21)Quote (shimmer @ May 19 2011,12:31)Quote So are you saying that Jesus wasn't being literal? If so what makes you think the term “son of God” is literal? Im not…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ May 26 2011,05:27)Marty! Jhn 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.   Jhn 1:2   The same was in the beginning with God. Jhn 1:3   All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.   Jhn 1:14 ¶ And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we be…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 25 2011,17:26)Quote (942767 @ May 25 2011,04:42)These verses do not only suggest that Jesus came down form heaven.  Jesus said he came down from heaven.  He came down from heaven in two ways.  First, he was conceived by the Holy Ghost in the womb of the virgin Mary, and was born a living soul, a man child.  Secondly, he came fro…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ May 21 2011,13:08)Quote (942767 @ May 20 2011,10:31)Quote (bodhitharta @ May 20 2011,10:21)Quote (shimmer @ May 19 2011,12:31)Quote So are you saying that Jesus wasn't being literal? If so what makes you think the term “son of God” is literal? Im not answering that Bod, I believe Jesus as the Son of God from Heaven and you…[Read more]

Hi Pierre:You say:Quote so what seems to be your confusion??you never heard a prince among men that received that authority from his father the king??and also sins is wickedness and God does not touch wickedness so he give all judgement to the son,I am not confused and niether I am the author of confusion.It was you who were questioning the fact…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ May 25 2011,09:53)Revelation 19:15-19 confirm this in that this is about the judgment of God being rendered through Jesus:No Marty!  Judgement will come soon enough.    Rev 19:13   And he clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.Read this very slowly…. His NAME IS CALLED THE WORD OF GOD…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ May 25 2011,07:28)Quote What is meant by Hebrews 1:10 is the Jesus “was the basis for the whole of creation”.  As Colossians 1 states, God made all things by him and for him, and without him was nothing made that was made.  It does not mean that Jesus was the creator.  Genesis 1:1 states: “In the beginning God created the he…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ May 25 2011,05:26)MartyQuote  56Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. was this not made clear to him in a dream ?PierreHi Pierre:No, Abraham did not see this in a dream.  He saw it by faith in what God had spoken to him.He said to him: “In thy seed shall all nations of the earth be b…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ May 25 2011,04:47)Marty! There are two scriptures were Jesus was called God…. Hbr 1:8   But unto the Son , Thy throne, O God, for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness the sceptre of thy kingdom.   Hbr 1:9   Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gl…[Read more]

Hi Irene:I am going to try to do what you have asked me to do.Quote John 6:38-40  For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me; and this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up at the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that every…[Read more]

Hi Pierre:I nor the scriptures state that Jesus was God, but he was in the form of God by virtue of his authority as God's Christ.  Even now, he is not God, but he has said prior to his ascension to the poisition that he holds as head of the church: “All power and authority has been given unto me”.  Of course, it is God who gave him the a…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ May 22 2011,14:56)MartyNO;it is MAN ; but how can a man be in the form of God?PierreHi Pierre:He was and is a man, but by the authority given him by God as his Christ, he was in the form of God. Here is an example:Quote 5When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee. 6But there…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 22 2011,14:53)Quote (942767 @ May 21 2011,21:01)Hi Mike:Do you know any other human being that is also God's Only Begotten Son and His Christ and by his virtue of his position in the body of Christ was in the “Form of God”?But he was in this “form of God” while he was a human, right?  So how then was he MADE INTO a human…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 22 2011,13:36)Quote (Paladin @ May 21 2011,03:22)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 21 2011,15:00)Perhaps you could try my template and break it down line for line like I asked Marty to do?I don't even know what that means.Paladin,Here's the “template”, filled in with your answers for all but the last line.  Just fill in the last…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ May 21 2011,13:21)Quote He did exist, but he did not exist as a sentient person.  He was foreordained, and was conceived of the Holy Ghost in the womb of the virgin Mary at the specified time of God's choosing.None of the scriptures that you have posted say that he pre-existed as a sentient person.  The scriptures that you posted t…[Read more]