Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 13 2011,02:36)Gene said to Mike:Quote There is  another point we need to agree on, and that is the Word Seed,  Before moving on. Genesis tell us that God made all things with “SEED” after it KIND. Not from some other Kind but (IT'S) Kind. But what you are asking us to believe is that Jesus was NOT as SEED after OUR H…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ Aug. 12 2011,09:46)Marty!  The last Adam who is Christ Jesus our Lord is a Spirit Being in Heaven… How do I know that? because of this Scripture in1Cr 15:50 ¶ Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 1Cr 15:45   And so it is written, The fi…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 12 2011,09:10)MartyQuote The Last Adam = the second man.Love in Christ,Martyhow come then the first Adam could not save himself or anyone else ?please explainPierreHi Pierre:What does that have to do with Jesus still being a man in heaven?The first Adam could not save himself or anyone else because all men born of the…[Read more]

Hi Mike:This is 1 Timothy 2:5 along with your comments:Quote Trinity, 1 Tim 2:5 is likewise the “go to” scripture that “proves” Jesus is STILL a man in heaven. But let's read it again in context:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all men………Now this can be…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 11 2011,13:24)Prior to the creation of the second born of all creation, Marty.  So, when was the second born (most likely one of God's angels) created?  Whenever that was, Jesus was created BEFORE that one.mikeHi Mike:What! I don't even know where to begin to answer your response, and so, I won't.Jesus is the “firstborn o…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 11 2011,11:15)Bump for Marty……………and also for Kerwin.Quote (942767 @ Aug. 04 2011,09:59)Quote And since Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of this “new creation of God”, do those words mean that Jesus was the FIRST CREATURE EVER to be a part of this “new creation of God”?  YES or NO?Yes Love in Christ,MartyOkay Marty,Now…[Read more]

Hi Mike:You say:Quote Scripture doesn't record the transformation Jesus underwent as he ascended into heaven.  But he left the earth as flesh and blood, and we know those things cannot inherit God's Kingdom.Wrong.  He did not have any blood.  Kathi already responded and told you what the scripture states.And you say:Quote Read Phil 3:20-22 Ma…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 05 2011,03:41)Quote (942767 @ Aug. 05 2011,03:16)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 03 2011,16:12)Quote (942767 @ Aug. 03 2011,09:59)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 02 2011,14:27)I'm not going to let you slink away from this, Marty.  My DOG was born, and is also a creation of God.So why couldn't Jesus have been born, and also be a creation…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 03 2011,16:12)Quote (942767 @ Aug. 03 2011,09:59)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 02 2011,14:27)I'm not going to let you slink away from this, Marty.  My DOG was born, and is also a creation of God.So why couldn't Jesus have been born, and also be a creation of his God?  You know, he's not only called “the firstborn of every c…[Read more]

Hi Mike:You state:Quote And if that's what “firstborn of every HUMAN creature” means, then what do you suppose “firstborn of EVERY creature, period” means? If for Cain, it means he was the first HUMAN creature to be born, then for Jesus, it would have to mean that he was the first of ALL CREATURES OF EVERY KIND to be born.Jesus was the first…[Read more]

Hi Mike:You say:Quote You seemed to have been trying to distinguish BETWEEN “born” and “created”.  I was showing you that those terms do not contradict each other.  You didn't address my point, so I'll ask it more clearly:No, Mike I am not trying to distinguish between the two terms.  I know the difference, but apparently, you don't.Jesus was no…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 04 2011,12:51)Quote (942767 @ Aug. 02 2011,21:29)Hi:This is what the scriptures state:Quote 1Cr 15:21   For since by man death, by man also the resurrection of the dead. Sin entered by a man, and sin was atoned for, (and the resurrection was guaranteed), by a man.  Where does that say Jesus is STILL a man in h…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 02 2011,14:27)I'm not going to let you slink away from this, Marty.  My DOG was born, and is also a creation of God.So why couldn't Jesus have been born, and also be a creation of his God?  You know, he's not only called “the firstborn of every creature”, but he also calls himself “the beginning of the creation by G…[Read more]

Hi:This is what the scriptures state:Quote 1Cr 15:21   For since by man death, by man also the resurrection of the dead. This is after the resurrection from the dead.  He was still a man here:King James Version (KJV)Luke 2433And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were w…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 02 2011,14:12)Oh, I see.  You are hung up on the words “born/created”?Marty, I was born, but I'm still a creation of my God, right?Hi Mike:Yes, Mike Eve is the mother of all living.  And so, yes, you are a creature who was born from a woman.  Adam and Eve were created.  The rest of humanity, except for Jesus, were born the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 02 2011,14:07)Quote (942767 @ Aug. 01 2011,21:03)Hi Mike:But you said that he (Jesus) was the first creature to be created by God.  Is this not what you said?That is correct.  Why?Hi Mike:Because the scripture states that he is the “firstborn” of every creature not the “the first creature created”.Love in Christ,Marty

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 02 2011,14:00)Sure Marty.  Let me break it down.Cain is the first human being ever brought forth from two human being parents, right?  And because of this, we can call Cain the “firstborn of every human creature”, right?  Cain is not the firstborn of EVERY CREATURE, because angels and animals and fish and birds and his pa…[Read more]

Quote (michael777 @ Aug. 02 2011,12:15)The Beast Revelation This letter is dedicated to all Christians. The following letter is a summary of Revelation 13. Its purpose is to show the method used in finding the conclusions which have been stated. Nothing new has been added from my previous letters. It is more of a compilation of them all. This…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 31 2011,04:54)Quote (942767 @ July 28 2011,11:21)Hi Mike:And so, the scripture states that Jesus is the “firstborn of every creature”.  How does that translate to your understanding that “he is the first creature created by God”?I don't think this phrase is all that hard to understand…………..UNLESS you already have…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 30 2011,13:10)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 29 2011,08:30)Mike………..Do you see what you do Here, you change context of what i and scripture says, I said that Jesus was not talking about the (person) but their (lives) they lead.  His focus was not about the person at all but about their LIVES. Mike this is what you do…[Read more]