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    Quote (t8 @ Feb. 28 2013,14:43)Quote (2besee @ Feb. 28 2013,10:03)See how Jerusalem was Babylon in those verses?So then is this past?How come there is no vote for Jerusalem in the poll?Interesting comment, many people don't even question or test.I voted for them, and this is why.Mat 23:37  O JERUSALEM, JERUSALEM, thou that killest the prophets,…[Read more]

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    4Thomas replied to the topic Mystery Babylon in the forum View Points 11 years, 4 months ago

    Quote (t8 @ Feb. 28 2013,14:43)Quote (2besee @ Feb. 28 2013,10:03)See how Jerusalem was Babylon in those verses?So then is this past?How come there is no vote for Jerusalem in the poll?Interesting comment, many people don't even question or test.I voted for them, and this is why.Mat 23:37  O JERUSALEM, JERUSALEM, thou that killest the prophets,…[Read more]

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    Quote (2besee @ Feb. 28 2013,07:03)Luke 11:47-52  Woe to you! for you build the sepulchers of the prophets, and your fathers killed them. Truly you bear witness that you allow the deeds of your fathers: for they indeed killed them, and you build their sepulchers. Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and…[Read more]

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    4Thomas replied to the topic Mystery Babylon in the forum View Points 11 years, 4 months ago

    Quote (2besee @ Feb. 28 2013,07:03)Luke 11:47-52  Woe to you! for you build the sepulchers of the prophets, and your fathers killed them. Truly you bear witness that you allow the deeds of your fathers: for they indeed killed them, and you build their sepulchers. Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and…[Read more]

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    Thanks T8, worth watching and makes men wonder if the so called “man of peace” is behind this.He will come and rebuild the temple and sit himself in that place he has no right to, he will do wonders and the world will see this so-called “man of peace”. Many will believe the Jews that their messiah has finally come, many will believe him as the…[Read more]

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    4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 4 months ago

    Mike,Sons are images of their Father, this is what you except from a TRUE Son. Jesus is the only one who is THE TRUE Son, all others are created by the TRUE SON. Now when God created the heavens, the Father didn't hand the Son stars to place in the universes and solar systems or rocks to make mountains or moons or water to make oceans or seeds to…[Read more]

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    4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 4 months ago

    Mike, did you see my post?I honestly think the key to understand Jesus is to understand that he is the true Son and the true LordLife in the Son and in his nameDaniel

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    4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 4 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 23 2013,14:06)Quote (4Thomas @ May 21 2013,19:25)Yes i understand that most people believe that proverbs speaks of Jesus and I originally thought so……… I wonder what changed your mind from your original instinct about that passage, Daniel.  Surely it wasn't the thought that IF the wisdom in that passage WAS Jesus,…[Read more]

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    4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 4 months ago

    Quote SO WHO IS THE PROPHET IN PROVERB TALKS ABOUT  AND WHO DOES PAUL TALKS ABOUTHi T, I asked you questions about wisdom before which you didn’t answer, that’s fine but I have already answered every verse that has been tried to be applied to show that wisdom is Jesus. Wisdom is never defined as a prophet. Nowhere does it ever refer to wisdom as a…[Read more]

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    4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 4 months ago

    Quote (terraricca @ May 22 2013,13:46)Quote (4Thomas @ May 22 2013,07:25)Quote (terraricca @ May 20 2013,02:25)DANIELQuote Or do you believe he is a lesser God? Please show me WHAT YOU BELIEVE?I do believe what Mike told you ,Christ his as describe in Col;1 15-21,and so in Prov 8;22-31  now if you start reading in proverb 1;8 Pr 1:8 Listen, my…[Read more]

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    Quote (Ed J @ May 15 2013,20:26)Quote (4Thomas @ May 15 2013,17:15)Compond unity, Tri-unity three seperate persons with the same nature. The Father is the Source of the *entire nature*,  (1)but he expresses his glory and power.(2)The Word of the Father is THE Son, the Breath of the Father is the Paraclete. Words can never be spoken without…[Read more]

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    4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 4 months ago

    Quote (terraricca @ May 20 2013,02:25)DANIELQuote Or do you believe he is a lesser God? Please show me WHAT YOU BELIEVE?I do believe what Mike told you ,Christ his as describe in Col;1 15-21,and so in Prov 8;22-31  now if you start reading in proverb 1;8 Pr 1:8 Listen, my son, to your father’s instruction and do not forsake your mother’s teac…[Read more]

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    Quote (t8 @ May 21 2013,17:37)Cheers 4Thomas.I wasn't raised a Christian I wasn't even baptised until I was about 18/19 years old. One of the crunches for me was that the entire universe is dying, every star is like is nothing more than a huge fire in space.Every fire no matter how large needs energy to sustain.My logic was energy can't come from…[Read more]

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    Quote (t8 @ May 20 2013,20:36)The last bit was really great to hear, thanks for that.If you haven't already got these I HIGHLY recommend them.A: Evolution the grand experiment part 1, (a must own) part 2 is great to. The books are a must own also.B:Icons of Evolution (also a MUST own)A friend of mine who is a christain who believed in evolution…[Read more]

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    4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 4 months ago

    T8 I see your comment identifying she as an attribute, and yes I agree with that. I disagree with wisdom being referred to as a “he” as nowhere does it say this. Hebrew shows that man is a person or mankind this includes male and female.H120אדם'âdâmaw-dawm'From H119; ruddy, that is, a human being (an individual or the species, mankind, etc…[Read more]

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    4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 4 months ago

    Quote (t8 @ May 17 2013,19:16)Quote (4Thomas @ May 13 2013,15:22)The New testament reveals she is indeed a her.Luke 7:35 (NEW TESTAMENT)But wisdom is proved right by all her children.Now common sense would clearly show that if wisdom was actually a person which is huge leap of faith in itself that with the revealation of Jesus being the Son that…[Read more]

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    4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 4 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 17 2013,11:49)And?  ???  Is “the Son of Man” someone OTHER THAN Jesus Christ?  Did a spiritual Jesus live from eternity all on his own doing, but the Son of Man lived only BECAUSE OF his God?   ???Kathi, I would seriously like a DIRECT answer to my previous question.  Here it is again:Did God Almighty Himself come to earth and…[Read more]

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    4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 4 months ago

    Quote (terraricca @ May 18 2013,06:59)DanielQuote Now please tell me who is UNDERSTANDINGAnd is she a SHE or is she a male and WHO is she. John the baptist? Come on guys you are better than this.waiting for your answers :)Hi,I'm not the one who thinks wisdom is a person, the question is a question I asked you.Why do I answer all your questions but…[Read more]

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    4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 4 months ago

    Quote (terraricca @ May 19 2013,05:46)Quote (kerwin @ May 19 2013,00:22)Quote (t8 @ May 18 2013,12:58)Quote (kerwin @ May 18 2013,12:54)To all,Jesus' characteristics are not God's characteristics which means he is not God.Hebrews makes the case Jesus is not an angel which means he is not an an angel.Michael is an angel and Jesus is not an angel…[Read more]

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    Compond unity, Tri-unity three seperate persons with the same nature. The Father is the Source of the *entire nature*,  but he expresses his glory and power. The Word of the Father is THE Son, the Breath of the Father is the Paraclete. Words can never be spoken without breath, try speaking or singing without using your breath. Psalm 33:6By the…[Read more]

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