Quote (terraricca @ July 12 2013,08:06)Quote (2besee @ July 11 2013,11:29)T,Quote that is not an answer ,that is what we call an OPINION based on the facts of what you believe it should be in compliance with what your personal believes is You asked me a question, and I answered it. If you don't like my answer, then too bad!Quote each time you make…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ July 12 2013,08:04)Quote (2besee @ July 11 2013,11:40)Teraricca,Quote this is untrue ,first it is God's will to share in all things with his creation THIS IS WHAT IT MEANS BE ONE WITH HIMOUR COMMENT FROM uIRENAEUS IS NOT TRUE HE IGNORED THE LOVE OF GOD AND SEE THINGS IN A MEN'S VIEWSo to you, when it says that God alone created…[Read more]

Quote T,John, a Jew, recognized Christ as did other Jews. The church before Cornelius and household's immersion were all Jews or converts to Judaism.Jesus came proclaiming a new covenant not a new religion so Christ did not teach the Word was a person but he; a Jew, did teach he is the Light even as John, a Jew, claims God is love. John the…[Read more]

Teraricca,Quote this is untrue ,first it is God's will to share in all things with his creation THIS IS WHAT IT MEANS BE ONE WITH HIMOUR COMMENT FROM IRENAEUS IS NOT TRUE HE IGNORED THE LOVE OF GOD AND SEE THINGS IN A MEN'S VIEWSo to you, when it says that God alone created the world, you think that is not true and anyone who agrees with scripture…[Read more]

T,Quote that is not an answer ,that is what we call an OPINION based on the facts of what you believe it should be in compliance with what your personal believes is You asked me a question, and I answered it. If you don't like my answer, then too bad!Quote each time you make changes to scriptures….Each time I make changes to scripture? Is it not…[Read more]

Mike,I still believe that the Holy Spirit is the son of God manifested in Jesus Christ. Apart from going off track a bit, I have always said that the word in John 1 is God's spoken word.But yes, it sound good to look further into it.We will wait for Kerwin.

Quote the WORD of God can not be God ;or answer this question ; the one that is ,is different than the one that he is with ;yes or no –Teraricca,I have already answered this, possibly several times in the past.You can not say that you are your word 100%, but you can say that your word is a PART of you. Hence why John 1 is worded as it has been.

Teraricca,That is not trinitarian, far from it.It is the only writing from the early century SPECIFICALLY about John 1. And it says EXACTLY what I have been saying all along.All that you have is Origen, who's writings were tampered with to fit later theology (wikipedia) – and he was much later than Irenaeus.The word is God's speech. God's word.…[Read more]

Thank you Abe, I see that. I will give it more thought later.

All,The word was God's speech, simple as that.Look what St. Irenaeus said regarding John 1:1, and this was written in the second century. He understood the word to be God's speech.Read it all, and pay particular attention to the bolded part.(quote) “The world was not formed by angels, or by any other being, contrary to the will of the most high…[Read more]

Quote Psalm 8:5 says God made man lower than the ELOHIM (gods). That verse was later quoted in Hebrews as “God made man a little lower than the ANGELS”, because the inspired writer of Hebrews understood that the word “elohim” that David used when he wrote the psalm referred to divine heavenly beings, ie: “angels”.Mike,Is that all that you have?…[Read more]

Mike,Quote Acts 4:24 When they heard this, they raised their voices together in prayer to God. “Sovereign Lord,” they said, “you made the heavens and the earth and the sea, and everything in them.”I don't see “only visible things” in that verse. In fact, I don't remember EVER seeing anything in scripture that implies God only created VISIBLE thing…[Read more]

Quote if you insist on the “like God” translation, then when God says the same exact thing in Gen 3:22 (“the man has become like one of US”), who is the “US”Mike,Possibly :'Majestic plural' (example, Queen Victoria in the 1900's, 'We are not amused,' referring to herself).With the Spirit (also called in scripture: the eternal spirit; the Holy…[Read more]

Teraricca,But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.Matthew 7:14Few by who's count? Mans?But to all who believed him and accepted him, he gave the right to become children of God.John 1:12 “For the promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God will call to H…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 09 2013,15:10)Quote (2besee @ July 08 2013,05:19)Kerwin,As you quoted from a Jewish Bible, this is from “Outreach Judaism” and the understanding of the word “Elohim” to them.“The name Elohim, which is not an exception to this rule, comes from the Hebrew root el, which means “might” or “po…[Read more]

Quote (Quote) So wouldn't the Son be the Spirit of God.I believe this 100%.Hi Abe, I forgot to say,You believe that the Son of God is the Spirit of God? Me too. Do you see the spirit as the very spirit of God, like this: “Who knows a person’s thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of G…[Read more]

Teraricca,Regarding your post a page back, Yes, God certainly does do things through people, or angels, or nature, etc. But scripture tells us and I believe it that God alone and by himself created the Heavens and the Earth, with no help. So why do you not just believe that? Praise God for creation! I have read the church fathers too and they were…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 09 2013,15:08)To All, God created the heavens, the earth, the sea, and EVERYTHING in them.  That would include angels, right?Mike and Kerwin,Created was the heavens, the earth, and all that is visible in the heavens and the earth, obviously.Created by God's word and spirit.But, angels are invisible. The only place that I…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 09 2013,14:45)Quote (2besee @ July 07 2013,18:54)Hi Mike,”One of US” is not in the Hebrew. It is simply “from”.Behold the man has become one from knowing God and evil.http://biblehub.com/text/genesis/3-22.htm The word IS there, 2B.  It's just that the concordance James Strong put together is incomplete.I don't know if…[Read more]

Kerwin, Abe,Where does it say that Angels were CREATED?Man (Adam and Eve as the beginning of mankind) were created.Jesus was born (the firstborn over all creation – from Mary and from death).Saints are a result of creation, and are then adopted (and like Jesus are also born again)I think that maybe Angels would have been produced from God – rather…[Read more]