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Jeremiah 25:29 For, lo, I begin to bring evil on the city which is called by my name, and should ye be utterly unpunished? Ye shall not be unpunished: for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth, saith the LORD of hosts.
Jeremiah 25:30 Therefore prophesy thou against them all these words, and say unto them, The LORD shall roar from on high, and utter his voice from his holy habitation; he shall mightily roar upon his habitation; he shall give a shout, as they that tread the grapes, against all the inhabitants of the earth.
There you go.
THE LORD SHALL ROAR FROM ON HIGH.
I WILL BEGIN TO BRING *EVIL* ON THE CITY WHICH IS CALLED BY MY NAME(JERUSALEM).
A SWORD UPON *ALL* THE INHABITANTS OF THE EARTH. ALL PUNISHED AT ONCE.WHEN THE KINGDOM IS ESTABLISHED THERE WILL BE ONLY JEWS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT BACK.
THE GENTILES WILL BE ON THE OUTSIDE. THE SAINTS HAD BEEN RESURRECTED.wakeup.
Israel is God’s creation,he will never forget israel,but he will
punish her and then restore israel.Only the one’s chosen will be brought back to their land.
They consist of all generations of israel.
At the coming; israel will be found wanting. She is now called by God;sodom and Egypt.rev 11.
The sword will come upon israel and all the nations.BTW:There is no such as the ac.but the false prophet.rev 19:20.The beast and the false prophet are cast into the fire.
No ac.?? Satan and his angels are spared from the lake of fire. But satan only put in prison.wakeup.
King James made sure that his power and authority was embedded in Scripture. The Book itself is dedicated to him, not to God. And you say its purified? You are deluded.
The rest of your posts are a confused jumble. Its impossible to continue a coherent discussion with you.Keras.
If you follow the prophesies correctly you will come to see the same picture I see.
A picture with no distortions.
Regarding King James; you just made up your own opinion.
God uses whom he wants for His purpose. God is not ignorent regarding satan’s devises.
Satan will not stop corrupting anything he can.This is just commonsense.
God has more wisdom than satan.wakeup.
You said:
There is only one book that leads us to everlasting life.
Its caled the Word of God.The H.bible.
Jesus is the Word of God;the bible is the same Word of God in print.
The spirit in those words is the spirit of Jesus.
No other book wtitten by men about the bible can we depend on,no matter how learned they are.The Bible is made up of 66 books. Actually some Bibles have more or less. The compilation of these books took place many years after these books were written. Some thousands of years even.
Not saying the Bible is not scripture, but that we perhaps put our trust in man if we say that his compiling of certain books and not others by man was perfect. In fact the Bible quotes from other books, some have gone, and others are still with us today.
Are you one of these KJV only people?
Do you think the KJV is the most perfect or perfect translation?Keras said:
Sorry wakeup, your posts are a confused mix of scriptures and your opinions.
You say the KJV is ‘purified’?t8.
The kjv to me is perfect,I dont know about you.
It can be translated into the english of today,as long as them scribes can be trusted.
The so called errors in the kjv is not to me,but to the readers.
God will make sure who gets what bible translation.
The dividing of the churches is because of bible translations.
The spirit in the person will connect with what ever his choice, of bible to accept.wakeup.
t8.
I understand all that,but dont leave out God.
It is His Word after all, and I believe that He is in charge of everything.
If some new scroll is discovered; that is also God’s work.
He who let will let. Only God will let;what ever it is.
He set the timing,even The birth and the second coming of His son.
We always tend to forget that God’s business is on earth.
He brings up kings out of the dunghill and also brings down kings.
Remember: King David was nothing before,just a young boy shepherd.wakeup.
wakeup.
well said t8, what is true are the words that God spoke in the scriptures and those are mainly the prophecies ,most of it is history, and records ,none of the bibles translations are perfect far from it ,this is why we need to test all things ,not from a point of view of men ,but of God ,this is were many make the mistake they see it from their on view and understanding ,
but if we see it from God’s view point then all is different ,after all it is his written words to us ,not us to him ,
so we should not deviate from that view if we like to understand God’s truth (not ours)
T.
Do you really believe in your heart that Jesus had left us with His Word corrupted?
Is this an excuse? Will you say to Jesus, that your lack of knowledge is becuase His word is corrupted?
Is He impotent to set it right for His chosen ones.Y/N?wakeup.
I disagree that the 70 weeks of years are completed. As you quote in Daniel 9:27; the last one week occurs in the last seven years before Jesus Returns. Most prophecy scholars agree with this premise.
Hi Keras,
So what the scholars are saying is that one week = 7 years?
Then 70 weeks would = 490 years in total. Am I correct?
So in the first year of Darius the Mede (Dan 9:1) just after Babylon was taken over, when Daniel was informed by the angel that it will take “69 weeks” …from…the Commandment… to restore and to build Jerusalem (build 2nd temple) to the “Messiah” (birth of Christ) should of been if we do the maths, 483 years? Is that how long it took for the command to build 2nd temple to Christ? This is not a trick question, I honestly don’t know.and if after the 62 weeks from ….the commandment…to build 2nd temple…. to when the Messiah was cut off (crucified) = 434 years
….then we have another 8 weeks left from …the crucifixion …till the prince (Titus) comes and destroys the city and the sanctuary (the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD by the Romans) = 56 years (according to the scholars calculations if 1 week equals 7 years)
so something is wrong here, because it should be 70 years after Christ’s death that Jerusalem was destroyed.
The maths is not adding up, especially if the last week goes to 7 years just before Christ’s return, then a week should equal over 2000 years according to their calculations.
It throws everything out.
Can you please explain to me and be patient please.Keras,
A bit of helpful info I found.
Medo-Persian Empire – 538BC – 333 BC (205yrs)
Grecian Empire- 333BC – 146 BC (187yrs)
Roman Empire (146 BC – 1453 CE)How accurate these dates are I don’t know, but just using it as a guide.
In the first year of Darius’ reign would of been 538BC, The angel gave the vision to Daniel and explanation of the 70 weeks.
The scriptures say that Cyrus ordered the rebuilding of the temple in his first year. How many years between Darius’ first year, and Cyrus’ first year I do not know. I imagine it would not be at the same time, because the Medes were there first in Babylon, then the Persians joined them.
The commandment by the angel in the first year of Darius to the actual start of rebuilding the temple as ordered by Cyrus would be the missing week.
The last week (70th week) would be the destruction of the temple which happened in 70AD, when the City of Jerusalem was destroyed, and the temple completely destroyed also.70 weeks from the commandment to rebuild the temple to the destruction of it. (this is the 70 weeks) Gone, past history.
since then, desolations have spread, and will keep spreading until Christ returns, but the 70 week prophesy was fulfilled in 70AD, yet desolations continue. The Jews have Jerusalem now, but no temple, no sanctuary. No physical temple, and no spiritual temple, because they do not have Christ.Hi J42, I have read some dates, etc about the 7 + 62 weeks. But I don’t see them as a great concern, because at the end of 69, the Anointed Prince is cut off. [the Crucifixion of Jesus] Then comes the Roman conquest and destruction of 70-135 CE. Daniel 9:26
Therefore the last ‘week’ remains to be fulfilled and we see that in verse 27, which fits with the time periods given to us in Revelation. Its clear that will be the last 7 years before the Return. Most Bible scholars agree with this premise.Yes, about half of the Jews have come back to a small portion of the holy Land. This is the ‘firstfruits’ and in no way do they live as God intended His people to live. Very soon, there will be a world changer and God’s righteous people will go to live in all of the holy Land. Isaiah 43:5-7
Keras.
From the commandment to to rebuild the temple to the crucifix=69 weeks.
Then the prince will come to destrpy the temple after the 7 weeks. Done;past.Gone.
What happened to the one week?
Well From the day that the angels spoke to Daniel to the actual commandment,must have been the one week.
Daniel had to wait one week before the commandment was written down.
All has came to past; except the desolation will continue till the consumation.
The land is still desolate today.(jer.25:38). desolate to the coming.
The shepherds are for hire.wakeup.
Correction Keras.
from the commandment to rebuild the temple to the cricifix=62 weeks. not 69 weeks.wakeup.
Time to read your Bible correctly and back to school for arithmetic lessons, Wakeup!
Daniel 9:25 refers to David, an anointed Prince and Jerusalem rebuilt after 7 ‘weeks’. Then another 62 [total 69 ‘weeks’ – 483 years] passes before the Crucifixion.
The last ‘week’, is NOT yet fulfilled.Keras.
No arithmetic needed to seek the word of God.
We are just fishermen.The humble and meek.Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto ***the Messiah the Prince*** shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Is david the messiah the prince? Where is David mentioned here?wakeup.
You are a test of my patience, wakeup! But it is, once again, the inaccurate KJV that causes misunderstanding.
The REB makes it clear there are two anointed Princes, David at first then Jesus.
Verse 27 says: at the consummation – KJV, better translated as ‘at the end’ REB. So that is as yet unfulfilled.Karas wrote:
Hi J42, I have read some dates, etc about the 7 + 62 weeks. But I don’t see them as a great concern, because at the end of 69, the Anointed Prince is cut off. [the Crucifixion of Jesus] Then comes the Roman conquest and destruction of 70-135 CE. Daniel 9:26
Therefore the last ‘week’ remains to be fulfilled and we see that in verse 27, which fits with the time periods given to us in Revelation. Its clear that will be the last 7 years before the Return. Most Bible scholars agree with this premise.Yes, about half of the Jews have come back to a small portion of the holy Land. This is the ‘firstfruits’ and in no way do they live as God intended His people to live. Very soon, there will be a world changer and God’s righteous people will go to live in all of the holy Land. Isaiah 43:5-7
Hi Keras,
Messiah the prince’s Ministry begins at the end of the 69th week. (see Mark 1:15)
..and Messiah the prince is cut off in the middle of the 70th week. (see Daniel 9:27)Messiah the prince completes the FIRST HALF (3-1/2 years)
and Jesus’ deciles complete the SECOND HALF (3-1/2 years)
of the 70th week (490 years total).___________
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgSo Ed, where does that leave the time periods as given in Revelation?
We are told the time that the AC is in control will be 42 months and the ‘woman’ taken to a place of safety for 1260 days. These are 3.5 years periods. Yes, Jesus’ ministry was for 3.5 years, but then to go outside of scripture and say the next 3.5 years completed the last 7, is not right. Jonah was in the whale 3.5 days and Jesus said that would be the sign of His ministry and His death.
Not many Bible scholars agree with your premise that the 70 weeks are past and the whole end time scenario awaits fulfilment.
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