Your alliance or affiliation

[2besee]

And God knows our heart, and our intentions and the truth in all matters.

[seekingtruth]

Quote (Richtuner @ Nov. 28 2012,01:50)

Well, this got off course…….again. Almost every thread I have been in or read it always come to this. Why can't we stay on the subject? Everybody comes up with the same scriptures and thoughts that echo through each post and thread. I don't want to get off myself, but let say this one thing: I MYSELF, AND I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WERE SAVED IN A CHURCH THAT BELIEVES IN THE TRINITY. IT'S A FACT THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT IN ORDER TO BE SAVED. EVEN THE BIBLE ITSELF ADMONISHES US TO WORSHIP JESUS WHO DEFEATED SATAN AND BROUGHT LIFE AND LIGHT AND SALVATION TO ALL MANKIND. HE IS EVEN SEATED AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD. GET OVER IT, JESUS IS TO BE WORSHIPED AND IT DON'T MATTER WEATHER THE DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY IS CORRECT OR NOT IN ORDER TO BE SAVED AND LIVE FOR HIM, (ALTHOUGH I DO BELIEVE THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER WILL RESULT IN A DEEPER UNDERSTANDING OF THE WORD AND OF GODS WILL) THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE ENEMY WANTS US TO DO IS FIGHT EACH OTHER OVER MATTERS THAT WILL NEITHER SAVE US OR KEEP US FROM A RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.   IS THIS WHAT HE DIED FOR, SO THAT WE CAN BE PRIDEFUL AND ARROGANT OF OUR DOCTRINAL BELIEFS? THE WORLD LOOKS AT US AND SAYS,”I DON'T NEED TO BE A PART OF THIS CRAZY BUSINESS, I'VE GOT ENOUGH PROBLEMS OF MY OWN”

Good post Rich,
I was saved under a simple message that Jesus died for my sins, not understanding there was any such thing as a trinity/non-trinity argument. I did not trust “churches” and spent the first year studying scripture hungry for truth.

I read enough from scripture to believe I needed to attend a fellowship and after “shopping around” settled on an Assembly of God where I spent the next 25 years being indoctrinated.

At first I went along with whatever they taught, I mean who was I to question such learned men. But over time I saw inconsistencies and despite fearing condemnation I began to question the doctrine I was being force fed.

After a revelation from God shook my foundation I began to question much of what I though I knew, then a few years later I found Heaven Net and have grown since.

I still attend church, it is a Four Square but the focus is “it's all about relationships”, the pastor and I agree to dis-agree, but this provides fellowship and an opportunity for me to shine light into the darkness of religion.

Hope this answers you question.

Wm

[Richtuner]

seekingtruth, I started out in a independent baptist church and did myself attended the Assembly of God church for a few years, but much rather go to a non-denominational or independent full gospel church.

You will probably never find a church that will believe everything you do, but there are some that are close enough that I can deal with a few minor disagreements on some scriptures or topics.

I used to study about 2 to 3 hours every day for years, but in June 2000 I listen to a man read from a cassette the New Testament over and over for like 5 and 1/2 months for about 8 hours a day.

People will be surprised how much the Holy Spirit will teach you without the opinions of others or any teachers.

NOTHING AGAINST TEACHERS, PREACHERS OT ANY OTHER MINISTERS WHO IS CALLED TO MINISTER THE WORD.

I'm not too sure if you do not have a good foundation if it will be the same. I believe I had the anointing and call from God to do this so I could see truths that others will not tackle.

The things that I believed and knew, I got a better and more deeper understanding of those things.

[Ed J]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Dec. 03 2012,22:31)

Good post Rich, I still attend church, it is a Four Square but the focus is “it's all about relationships”, the pastor and I agree to dis-agree, but this provides fellowship and an opportunity for me to shine light into the darkness of religion. Hope this answers you question. Wm

[journey42]

Quote (Richtuner @ Nov. 11 2012,13:28)

I could not find where any specific thread was so I need to start this one to be more informed of others on this forum. If everyone would please post what affiliation you are with, (Baptist, Pentecost, Jehovah Witness, etc. I think this will help when addressing a topic where someone is of a different faith or affiliation that you will never see eye to eye. Thanks

Hi Richtuner

I started reading the bible just before I turned 13.  I know this sounds boring and odd, like no major testimony, but I had experience with bad spirits after I started delving into the occult.  

My parents are both catholic, but not devout, and never took us to church, but we attended the odd occasion for christenings and weddings, and my nana took me to church once when I was about 11 and the whole time I was in there I nearly threw up.

My nana from my mum is from Egypt, and devout catholic.  Her place was full of crucifixes, pictures of Christ and Mary and so forth.

My other Nana (Oma) from my dad is Dutch from Indonesia, a catholic with all the same things in her house, but picked up strange beliefs from Indonesia with black magic and also worshiped many gods, although the pope was her favourite and she made no secret of the fact that she loved him so.

Both grandmothers were extremely supersticious and always frightened of this and that, but I just put it down to their experiences in the war.

I had just started delving into seances, when one of the spirits I called decided to stay with me.  I was very frightened and no-one believed the things happening to me.  I got a job working for my uncle (wakeup) and told him everything.  He gave me a good talking to and warned me that what I had been doing was very dangerous, and gave me a bible to take home and read.

I read that bible night and day and couldn't put it down. I started at Matthew, and the first thing I picked up was that my catholic relatives were doing things against God.  When my mum was out one day, I threw all her religious statues and rosary beads over the back fence where there was just bush.  I also threw out the indonesian statues from my Oma.  I then went to all my relatives and started warning them not to keep idols, and not to call their priest “Father” and  not to pray to statues and the saints and so on.  They immediately thought I was a disturbed child, and would argue with me for hours.

I would not get a chance to really see my uncle again much as he lived far and I was too young to drive.  I kept reading, and I would write down all my questions and things I didn't understand till the next time I saw him.  I highlighted my bible with the parts I loved, and wrote down scriptures that connected, so there was writing all through it, for me to find things fast.

I continued with my teens, and got a little rebellious at times, and sort of forgot about God for a while.  When I was 18 or so, a friend invited me to her church and I went.  I started crying as I heard the preacher, and went up to the front.  All of a sudden people were “congratulating” me and told me I was “saved”.  They were nice people, and would invite me to dinner all the time, and we would talk about the bible.  They were intrigued with how much I knew.  They kept wanting me to get up and tell my “testimony” in front of hundreds, but at the time I had nothing to tell.  They kept encouraging me to attend their bible studies but I never went, because I preferred to read for myself without any influence.  The people of that church would speak in tongues and they kept praying for me to recieve “the holy spirit” but it never came.  They said there was some sin in my life that I hadn't dealt with yet, and I started to feel rejected by God.  We worked it out and it was because I was smoking cigarrettes!  Somehow, somewhere deep inside I knew that was not true.  For I read that it's not what goes in man that defiles man but what comes out.  It's the heart, the spirit. What do we speak? What comes out of our mouth?  Do we swear, or curse, insult others, do we seek revenge, do we lie, and cheat, or boast?  Or are we slow to anger, and speak wisely, and work things out, and keep the peace with people, and calm a situation using our spiritual knowledge, and offer sympathy and kind words and compassion instead of aggression, and speak the things we learn't of the scriptures, and give someone else a little bit of hope?

Can God not live in you if you are unhealthy, or sick, or with cancer?  What if you like sweet things and you have all that sugar contaminating your blood and are diabetic? or if you take medication and the side effect is that it destroys your liver?  Can God not live inside?  So I worked this all out, that our temple has to be kept clean and that is our spirit has to be holy.  We have to have as little sin in there as possible.

So I continued with this church, and then one day, I heard one of the ladies preaching telling someone that God died for their sin on the cross.  I was horrified.  God cannot die.  So I pulled her aside and asked her why she said this when the message of the bible is that God's Son died for our sins.  Then it was on! They invited me to a house, and all these people ganged up on me.  What they were saying did not make sense one bit.  I started getting confused thinking that maybe I was wrong, ….because these people had the holy spirit..they could speak tongues…and they could heal….and I couldn't, and I smoked and what if I'm not really saved..and all I saw was about 20 faces all taking at once to me, and the words 'Trinity” and my head started to spin, and I just got out of there quick as I could that day.

So in the following weeks, whilst attending church, still smoking, still not giving a testimony, still not speaking tongues, and still not understanding this trinity thing, I started to notice more things around me like,
WHY ARE THEY ALL SPEAKING TONGUES WITH NO INTERPRETER?  
The bible is clear on that.  
and WHY DO THEY MAKE SUCH A BIG FUSS ON ABSOLUTELY NO DRINKING, NOT EVEN ONE DRINK?
When Jesus turned water into wine?
WHY DO THEY MAKE EVERYONE IN THE CHURCH GIVE AWAY THEIR T'V'S?  
What is wrong with knowing what's on the news, or going on in the world?  
WHY DOES THE PREACHER KEEP CARRYING ON ABOUT GIVING MONEY WHEN THESE PEOPLE ARE POOR AND HE HIMSELF DRIVES A MERCEDES BENZ AND HIS KIDS ARE IN REBOKS?…
and WHY DO THEY INVITE YOUNG PEOPLE TO COME SEE A ROCK'N ROLL BAND WHEN THEY SHOULD BE ASKING PEOPLE DIRECTLY IF THEY WANT TO KNOW THE LORD?
Why trick them?
And WHY DO THEY HAVE ALL THESE AMERICAN PREACHERS THAT TALK LIKE CAR SALESMEN, AND NEVER REALLY TEACH THE SCRIPTURES, BUT TALK ABOUT PERSONAL EXPERIENCES AND STORY AFTER STORY AFTER STORY.
Fables?
WHY DO THEY MAKE SINGING 3/4 OF THE SERVICE AND THE OTHER QUARTER SPEAKING ABOUT GIVING MONEY?
When are we gonna learn something?
AND WHY DO THEY PASS THAT TRAY AROUND TWICE, WHEN WE ALREADY GAVE ALL WE HAD?  
AND WHY DO THEY STILL NOT UNDERSTAND THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD, THE MOST BASIC FOUNDATION OF TRUTH AND THE MAIN MESSAGE?
AND YET THEY HAVE ALL THESE GIFTS?  
AND WHY DO THEY CELEBRATE XMAS AND EASTER WHEN WE ALL KNOW IT'S ROOTS ARE PAGAN?
When God said to come out of Babylon and not join in on what the world's doing, he meant it.
AND WHY ARE YOU ALL TELLING PEOPLE TO GET PREPARED FOR JESUS IS COMING FOR US ANY DAY NOW,  DON'T YA ALL UNDERSTAND THAT THE FALSE PROPHET HAS TO COME FIRST? AND WE WILL ALL BE FORCED TO MAKE A CHOICE?
You people are not telling the truth!
I'm getting out of here.

So I rang my uncle wakeup,
and drove there, and told him and said “these people are not understanding the scriptures properly, and they have all these rules that are not in the bible, and this trinity thing is driving me crazy, and I know they are wrong but I can't prove it, so can you help me find some scriptures….And they are telling people about this “rapture” but the bible says that these certain events have to come first.”  …..and he said Aaaah

Yep just like that
Aaaahh

For he not once ever told me not to go to church, but he knew I would pick up the contraditions on my own if I was sincere. And he showed me scriptures proving that Christ is indeed the Son of God and I have so many scriptures backing this now. And I know that I am not going to just “disappear” any day now for I know the signs that must come first.  And I know so much more now than I did back then.

and I have never been to church since then.
And I love the Lord with my whole heart, soul and mind, and love reading his truth, and searching out his wisdom. And I love discussing the scriptures, because they are inside me now.

To all you people that go to church, I hope I didn't offend you. It's just not for me.

[Ed J]

Hi Journey,

Thanks for the short autobiography.
I'm assuming you became a Christian around 13, right?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[journey42]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 14 2012,15:55)

Hi Journey, Thanks for the short autobiography. I'm assuming you became a Christian around 13, right? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed

Well I started learning and soaking in all the milk at that age.  I understood the milk. Then in my teens I got some distractions and on and off, and in my 20's I still read, but had one foot in Babylon.  I still had to learn some valuable lessons.  I would love talking about God to anyone.  At a party or wherever, but I would have a drink in one hand, and then start talking about God to someone, and then that person would say, heh Georgie come tell these guys what you just told me, and then everyone would gather round and listen, and ask questions, and we would all be discussing things. but I would say, don't judge God by me, because I am the worst example, It's just too hard for me to follow, but I know what's going to happen, it's just that I can't do it, follow properly, and give up things, and I would have this big sorrow in my heart, because I felt not worthy enough.  To be a following Christian, was just a dream….one day, MAYBE I'll get there if I don't die beforehand.

So I had to learn from my valuable mistakes.  Learn that you can't just pick and choose, and take what you want from the bible, and forget about the rest.  Be hot, or be cold, be one or the other, but don't be lukewarm, …. and experience that you have to reap what you sow, and that there's consequences for our actions.  Learn what it feels like to be so far away from God, to feel empty, and in the hands of “fate”.  learn the real meaning of FEAR and no-one there to pick you up when your lying in your own vomit.  I had to learn loss.  Everything and everyone I loved being taken away from, me one by one. Whose next? Every new hope always turned into disappointment.

Those valuable lessons, shape the way I am today, and I didn't change overnight, I was in my early thirties, and I started reading again, and there wasn't this big I'm a Christian now, it was a gradual slow process.  My ways started changing without me even realising it.  It just happened slowly, and the things I once loved doing, held no interest for me anymore.  Instead of wanting to go to pubs, or parties, or drink with friends, I wanted to go to wakeup's house and study with him, or just hang out with him.  He always was very good to me, and treated me like a daughter.  He would test me, and challenge me to see what I was learning.  He would tease me and make me find the answer for myself. He kept it interesting, and exciting for me.  He never judged me once, but always encouraged me to keep learning, to go deeper, to pick things up, to connect the scriptures, and find out everything.  He taught me that if you are going to speak about the bible, you have to have knowledge and show them why God does this and that, what's his purpose? what's his plan?  from beginning to end,  because people like aetheists are going to ask all sorts of questions, and I'd better answer truthfully and with full knowledge, but what he didn't warn me is that it's the Christians that will give me a hard time. But I love it, because it only makes me want to find out more, and go deeper into the scriptures, and find new things I never came across or considered.  Thank you to wakeup.  This is the one friendship that would never be taken from me.

 I used to have this recurring dream all the time that a title wave was coming, and I would be preparing to die, but the title wave went over my head and didn't touchme. Over and over, the same dream, but in different places.  I think that God was warning me that something big was going to happen.  TROUBLE.  The last time I dream't about it, It had finally got me, and I was underwater talking, amazed that it didn't kill me, and I kept saying, I'm alive, I'm alive, look at me, I'm talking.

And the trouble came, and I don't want to bore you with all the juice, only if you want to hear it I'll tell you,  but I am so glad that I was in the right place at the time, for if I wasn't, it would be the end of me.  I learn't even more valuable lessons, and during this very difficult time, the Lord kept giving me comfort, and opened up the scriptures to me even more and the most amazing miracles (silent miracles) happened to me during this time that would strengthen my faith even more and realise the Lord's power and the way he works.  And a lot of the times, when I would pray, I would break down and cry and cry, and this feeling in me was so overwhelming, I cannot describe it.  I would sometimes go to work with mascara dripping down my eyes because I liked to pray in the car on the way to work.  I kept telling myself, I got to stop this praying in the car business, people are gonna think you are depressed or something, but I couldn't help it, it's just that mornings are so rushed and I'm always late for work, and it's the only time I am alone and have some peace for myself without kids. (I missed my streets turn-off a lot!) and ended up being late anyway.

and now I feel like I am living my “dream”  for I always wanted to be in this place, serving Christ with a good clear conscience. I still can't believe to this day, his abundance of mercy.  There is no way I deserve him, I still have to pinch myself sometimes.

And to wrap it all up, I am just a follower of Christ.  No religion or denomination in me, I just know what I know from the scriptures.

This is turning into a book, but I've enjoyed this reflection.  Thankyou for taking the interest Ed.

Love Georgie

[terraricca]

edj
what is the affiliation Edj
Quote
AND GOD HIMSELF has even pointed you towards me (first post – this page),
as a witness of His who was going to bring His “Bible Truth”(117) to the public;
(Like mentioning Cyrus some *400 years (Isa 45:1) before conquering Babylon)
offering you proof that the altar called Ed (AKJV Bible) indeed symbolizes me.
(which was a copy of the “altar” which symbolizes Jesus Christ (Joshua 22:26-28))
Plus my name (עד) Theomatically matching Jesus offers proof of my Son-ship to God.

how come you have not show me any truth that would either give me more understanding ,or enlightening me with the truth ,???

I personally follow scriptures ,and it says that by your words you will be judge ,meaning that by listening to someone we can determine if what he says is within the truth of scriptures ,if not it does not take long to see what he is or what he is not ,

it seems that scriptures in the spirit are very good for a protection from outside influence ,because nothing can much the TRUTH OF GOD ,

the only way to receive SON SHIP ; Ro 8:15 For you did not receive a spirit(knowledge) that makes you a slave again to fear, but you received the Spirit(belonging,acceptance ) of sonship. And by him we cry, “Abba,Father.”

for that reason even that my name is PETER I am not the apostle PETER ,:)

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2013,15:29)

edj what is the affiliation Edj

Hi Pierre,

No religious affiliation.

affiliation: being joined in close association; “affiliated clubs”

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 17 2013,22:19)

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2013,15:29) edj what is the affiliation Edj Hi Pierre, No religious affiliation. affiliation: being joined in close association; “affiliated clubs” God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

that was not my point

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 18 2013,05:09)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 17 2013,22:19) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2013,15:29) edj what is the affiliation Edj Hi Pierre, No religious affiliation. affiliation: being joined in close association; “affiliated clubs” God bless Ed J edj that was not my point

Hi Pierre,

I believe I misunderstood the nature of your question.

I thought since you asked me that question on the
“Your alliance or affiliation” thread, I thought that
you wanted to know what religious affiliations I have …

… but now I believe you instead want to know my connection to the “Altar” called “Ed,” right?
That's an entirely different question, from what I thought you had asked; is that what you want to know?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 18 2013,01:14)

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 18 2013,05:09) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 17 2013,22:19) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2013,15:29) edj what is the affiliation Edj Hi Pierre, No religious affiliation. affiliation: being joined in close association; “affiliated clubs” God bless Ed J edj that was not my point   Hi Pierre, I believe I misunderstood the nature of your question. I thought since you asked me that question on the “Your alliance or affiliation” thread, I thought that you wanted to know what religious affiliations I have … … but now I believe you instead want to know my connection to the “Altar” called “Ed,” right? That's an entirely different question, from what I thought you had asked; is that what you want to know? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

bingo you got it

[terraricca]

edj

so answer

[Ed J]

Hi Pierre,

The long answer is the reason for (Link) <– this thread:
But the short answer is in (Link) <– this post:

I will re-post it here for you:

---

Hi,

                                        YHVH is GOD=117

Both the meanings and Gematria totals of [יהוה האלהים] and YHVH is GOD are identical.
YHVH is GOD=117 because God’s Hebrew name (יהוה) translates into English as YHVH.
These facts are present in the verse where the altar “עד” “Ed' is mentioned.

                         (117) יהוה האלהים = YHVH is GOD (117)
     וַיִּקְרְאוְּ בְּנֵי־רְאוְּבֵן וְּבְנֵי־גָד לַמִּזְבֵּחַ כִּי עֵד הוְּא בֵּינֹתֵינוְּ כִּי יְהוָה הָאֱלֹהִים Joshua 22:34

         Joshua 22:34: And the children of Reuben, And the children of Gad
         (and half of the tribe of Manasseh (Joshua 22:11)) called “the altar”
         (עד Ed); for [Ed] shall be a witness between us that [YHVH is “GOD”].

The fact that I use the number 117 as a witness to the “Proof of God”(117) coupled
with my name being “Ed” illustrates the hypothesis that the “altar' called “Ed” symbolizes me.
Now as strange as this may sound, the Theomatic totals of the names of these tribes offer conformation.

       (Reuben=65 Gad=12 Manasseh=80÷2=40)   [65+12+40=117]

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2013,15:29)

edj what is the affiliation Edj Quote AND GOD HIMSELF has even pointed you towards me (first post – this page), as a witness of His who was going to bring His “Bible Truth”(117) to the public; (Like mentioning Cyrus some *400 years (Isa 45:1) before conquering Babylon) offering you proof that the altar called Ed (AKJV Bible) indeed symbolizes me.   (which was a copy of the “altar” which symbolizes Jesus Christ (Joshua 22:26-28)) Plus my name (עד) Theomatically matching Jesus offers proof of my Son-ship to God. unQuote

Thus the quote

[Ed J]

Hi Pierre,

You should read the whole thread, but especially page 7.  (Link)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 19 2013,03:55)

Hi Pierre, You should read the whole thread, but especially page 7.  (Link) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

if all the people on earth called “ED” have the same claim than you if not why not if yes why yes

now his the Hebrew phonetics of those two letters you showed me that mean ALTAR “עד” THE SAME IN ENGLISH OR IN YOU MOTHER LANGUAGE

ALSO IS YOUR NAME “ED” A SHORT FOR

PLEASE REPLY

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2013,09:10)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 19 2013,03:55) Hi Pierre, You should read the whole thread, but especially page 7.  (Link) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj if all the people on earth called “ED” have the same claim than you if not why not if yes why yes now his the Hebrew phonetics of those two letters you showed me that mean ALTAR   “עד” THE SAME IN ENGLISH OR IN YOU MOTHER LANGUAGE   ALSO IS YOUR NAME “ED” A SHORT FOR PLEASE REPLY

Hi Pierre,

The reason that the Altar called “Ed” could not represent any other Ed is addressed in the nature
of the “witness” that I provide, which IS “Proof of God”(117) using Theomatics. (see four posts up ↑)

The fact that “Ed” is an abbreviation of my full name is also not a disqualifier, because יה (YÄ) the
abbreviated form of God's name יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā) is used in the “AKJV Bible” as well. (Ref. Psalm 68:4)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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