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Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 16 2012,01:53) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 13 2012,09:41) Discussing the Trinity Doctrine …still results in heated arguments. And it seems no one ever adjusts their beliefs in the end.
Hi Mike,I'm still working on helping both sides to see clearer. (Link)
“My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew,
as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:” (Deut 32:2)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J.So the one true God is not the Father
and
The one true God is not the combination of the Father, Son, Spirit.So let's break this down.
One God = 1 person/identity/Father
One Trinity = 3 persons/identities/
======================
EdJ answer: 4 (Quadhead).
======================(1+3=4 ) = Quadhead/Quadrinity
Quad = (4 sides of square) = (3 sides of trinity triangle + 1 extra line) = Square/Tile thingy.Guys if we all believe in the Quadhead, then we can all say we were right. We only have to merge our correctnesses and it is a win win.
Thanks Ed J.
Quote (t8 @ Nov. 24 2012,19:10) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 16 2012,02:12) “The Son's” name is: “Jesus”
“The Father's” name is: “JEHOVAH”
“The HolySpirit's” name is: “The Word”
And yet the Sword of that Spirit is the Word of God.So is the Spirit the Word or the sword of that Spirit the Word.
I guess you could say both, but I would wonder why mention the sword at all then. I guess you don't wonder that or do you?
Hi T8,“The Word” is like a sword, rather than actually being a physical sword.
“For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword” (Heb 4:12)
“out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations” (Rev 19:15)
“the LORD shall consume with the spirit of his mouth” (2 Thessalonians 2:8)
“he shall baptize you with the HolySpirit and with fire” (Luke 3:16)
The fire is: “The Word” of God.
“Our God is a consuming fire.” (Heb 12:29)
“My heart was hot within me, while I was musing
the fire burned: then spake I with my tongue” (Ps.39:3)“Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour
before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.” (Psalms 50:3)“And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth,
and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them,
he must in this manner be killed.” (Revelation 11:5)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgI started my christian life here in Newport South Wales UK at Baptist Church. Then a Pentecostal, then back to Baptist
Five years ago i started to look at what I really believed. Not what men said I should believe. To help me do this I needed to read scripture without my Pentecostal/ Baptist glasses. So I stopped going to a church
I found that a lot of what I believed were mens traditions
I used to find that once , when asked where I went to church, i was pigeon holed.Quote (t8 @ Nov. 24 2012,19:22) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 16 2012,01:53) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 13 2012,09:41) Discussing the Trinity Doctrine …still results in heated arguments. And it seems no one ever adjusts their beliefs in the end.
Hi Mike,I'm still working on helping both sides to see clearer. (Link)
“My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew,
as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:” (Deut 32:2)God bless
Ed J
Ed J.We only have to merge our correctnesses and it is a win win.
Thanks Ed J.
Hi T8, quite correct.Luke 12:52 For from henceforth there shall be FIVE IN ONE HOUSE divided,
three(Trins) against two(non-Trins), and two(non-Trins) against three(Trins).The Trins see God as three…
<– An incomplete pictureThe non-Trins see God as One…
<– and Jesus as a smaller version of GodThe complete picture –>
<– Merge the two ideas together, and the big picture begins to emerge “And the [HolyCity] lieth “FourSquare”, and the length is as large as the breadth:” (Rev 21:16)
Ezekiel 43:16: And the altar shall be twelve cubits long, twelve broad, square in the “Four Squares” thereof.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgOh Ed J, you have really done it now. How can anyone ever take you serious again. Although I don't know of anyone here that is influenced by what you teach so 'again' might not be the right word.
It seems to be that if a person doesn't stay on the straight and narrow with their teaching, they will err into the most ridiculous doctrines ever devised.
From what I have seen over the years here, this has befallen a number of people. Maybe people are just not aware of how much harsher judgement is if you are a teacher. If you don't have it together, you shouldn't dare be teaching at all.
I guess if people become believers and show no respect for the sacredness of doctrine and truth and teach their own imaginations and not what comes from the Spirit, then there comes a time when they become “nutters”.
This happens so that all can see to not follow them because God will judge false teachers just as he does false prophets and false apostles.
Quote (t8 @ Nov. 24 2012,20:27) Oh Ed J, you have really done it now. How can anyone ever take you serious again. Although I don't know of anyone here that is influenced by what you teach so 'again' might not be the right word. It seems to be that if a person doesn't stay on the straight and narrow with their teaching, they will err into the most ridiculous doctrines ever devised.
From what I have seen over the years here, this has befallen a number of people. Maybe people are just not aware of how much harsher judgement is if you are a teacher. If you don't have it together, you shouldn't dare be teaching at all.
Hi T8,It takes people time to drop the religious dogmas that they have been taught.
So be of good cheer, as a “Teacher” – I will help you to better understand YHVH.“Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth:
for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak:
and he will show you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine,
and shall show it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I,
that he shall take of mine, and shall show it unto you.” (John 16:13-15)Psalms 119:99-102 I(Ed J) have more understanding than all my teachers: for thy testimonies
are my meditation. I understand more than the ancients, because I keep thy precepts.
I(Ed J) have refrained my feet from every evil way, that I might keep thy word.
I have not departed from thy judgments: for thou hast taught me.Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (t8 @ Nov. 24 2012,20:33) I guess if people become believers and show no respect for the sacredness of doctrine and truth and teach their own imaginations and not what comes from the Spirit, then there comes a time when they become “nutters”. This happens so that all can see to not follow them because God will judge false teachers just as he does false prophets and false apostles.
Hi T8, here are two famous quotes…All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.— Arthur Schopenhauer, German philosopher (1788 – 1860)
When you’re one step ahead of everyone else, you’re “a Genius”.
If you are two steps ahead of everyone else, you are “a Crackpot”.
If you’re more than two steps ahead, you are “a Delusional Nutcase”. — UnknownQuote (t8 @ Nov. 24 2012,20:27) Oh Ed J, you have really done it now. How can anyone ever take you serious again. Although I don't know of anyone here that is influenced by what you teach so 'again' might not be the right word. It seems to be that if a person doesn't stay on the straight and narrow with their teaching, they will err into the most ridiculous doctrines ever devised.
From what I have seen over the years here, this has befallen a number of people. Maybe people are just not aware of how much harsher judgement is if you are a teacher. If you don't have it together, you shouldn't dare be teaching at all.
Is Ed the reason that you are forming your own exclusive club (thus far nicknamed “bible students”). Are we excommunicating Ed?Ed, it seems they have found a way around the tiles. I will still come visit you sometimes Ed. Maybe. I dont know, I'm kind of busy lately.
t8, for Ed's mental health, and so that he doesn't become too depressed, why don't we just create a rule and call it the “no number” rule. That is essentially what is happening anyway.
1. No organizational structure or rules
2. Members must believe in God, and Jesus, who was his son and not a trinity.
3. No numbers.Hi David,
Only “English Gematria” is barred,
Greek and Hebrew Gematria is OK.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Nov. 24 2012,19:54) Quote (t8 @ Nov. 24 2012,19:22) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 16 2012,01:53) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 13 2012,09:41) Discussing the Trinity Doctrine …still results in heated arguments. And it seems no one ever adjusts their beliefs in the end.
Hi Mike,I'm still working on helping both sides to see clearer. (Link)
“My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew,
as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:” (Deut 32:2)God bless
Ed J
Ed J.We only have to merge our correctnesses and it is a win win.
Thanks Ed J.
Hi T8, quite correct.Luke 12:52 For from henceforth there shall be FIVE IN ONE HOUSE divided,
three(Trins) against two(non-Trins), and two(non-Trins) against three(Trins).The Trins see God as three…
<– An incomplete pictureThe non-Trins see God as One…
<– and Jesus as a smaller version of GodThe complete picture –>
<– Merge the two ideas together, and the big picture begins to emerge “And the [HolyCity] lieth “FourSquare”, and the length is as large as the breadth:” (Rev 21:16)
Ezekiel 43:16: And the altar shall be twelve cubits long, twelve broad, square in the “Four Squares” thereof.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I do not want to discuss this here or have a discussion about it ever, but I see why T8 would consider this messed up. Nothing about it is close to logical. The math isn't right. It doesn't make sense. You are technically using the same square twice! It's not scriptural in the least. I mean, nothing. And, it finds its way into many threads somehow.Its possibly the Weirdest idea ever mentioned on here.
Ed, if you just stopped discussing the numbers so much, your other weird ideas aren't nearly as weird as this one. Maybe if you promise to not see meaningful patterns in random numbers, T8 will not excommunicate you from the possibly newly formed religious site he is in charge of. (Aka: “bible students”). Just a suggestion?
Quote (david @ Nov. 25 2012,03:24) Quote (t8 @ Nov. 24 2012,20:27) Oh Ed J, you have really done it now. How can anyone ever take you serious again. Although I don't know of anyone here that is influenced by what you teach so 'again' might not be the right word. It seems to be that if a person doesn't stay on the straight and narrow with their teaching, they will err into the most ridiculous doctrines ever devised.
From what I have seen over the years here, this has befallen a number of people. Maybe people are just not aware of how much harsher judgement is if you are a teacher. If you don't have it together, you shouldn't dare be teaching at all.
Is Ed the reason that you are forming your own exclusive club (thus far nicknamed “bible students”). Are we excommunicating Ed?Ed, it seems they have found a way around the tiles. I will still come visit you sometimes Ed. Maybe. I dont know, I'm kind of busy lately.
t8, for Ed's mental health, and so that he doesn't become too depressed, why don't we just create a rule and call it the “no number” rule. That is essentially what is happening anyway.
1. No organizational structure or rules
2. Members must believe in God, and Jesus, who was his son and not a trinity.
3. No numbers.
Hi David,I believe you would be part of the “Out Crowd” as well, sorry to say.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Nov. 25 2012,03:34) Quote (david @ Nov. 25 2012,03:24) Quote (t8 @ Nov. 24 2012,20:27) Oh Ed J, you have really done it now. How can anyone ever take you serious again. Although I don't know of anyone here that is influenced by what you teach so 'again' might not be the right word. It seems to be that if a person doesn't stay on the straight and narrow with their teaching, they will err into the most ridiculous doctrines ever devised.
From what I have seen over the years here, this has befallen a number of people. Maybe people are just not aware of how much harsher judgement is if you are a teacher. If you don't have it together, you shouldn't dare be teaching at all.
Is Ed the reason that you are forming your own exclusive club (thus far nicknamed “bible students”). Are we excommunicating Ed?Ed, it seems they have found a way around the tiles. I will still come visit you sometimes Ed. Maybe. I dont know, I'm kind of busy lately.
t8, for Ed's mental health, and so that he doesn't become too depressed, why don't we just create a rule and call it the “no number” rule. That is essentially what is happening anyway.
1. No organizational structure or rules
2. Members must believe in God, and Jesus, who was his son and not a trinity.
3. No numbers.
Hi David,I believe you would be part of the “Out Crowd” as well, sorry to say.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I'm sorry to have to be the one to tell you this Ed. Yesterday we all had a meeting. You were not invited. There was a vote. It had to be unanimous. Every year we vote on this. I was the only one not voting against you…until this year.I'm just having fun with this. Sorry.
Quote (david @ Nov. 25 2012,03:32) I do not want to discuss this here or have a discussion about it ever, but I see why T8 would consider this messed up. Nothing about it is close to logical. The math isn't right. It doesn't make sense. You are technically using the same square twice! It's not scriptural in the least. I mean, nothing. And, it finds its way into many threads somehow. Its possibly the Weirdest idea ever mentioned on here.
Ed, if you just stopped discussing the numbers so much, your other weird ideas aren't nearly as weird as this one. Maybe if you promise to not see meaningful patterns in random numbers, T8 will not excommunicate you from the possibly newly formed religious site he is in charge of. (Aka: “bible students”). Just a suggestion?
Thank you David, your suggestions are always welcome! And as for the missing square…“To him that overcometh (
) will I grant to sit with me in my throne,
even as I(יהשוע) also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.” (Rev 3:21-22)Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners,
but fellowcitizens ( ) with the saints, and of the household of God;
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets. (Eph 2:19-22)
Well, this got off course…….again.
Almost every thread I have been in or read it always come to this. Why can't we stay on the subject?
Everybody comes up with the same scriptures and thoughts that echo through each post and thread.
I don't want to get off myself, but let say this one thing:
I MYSELF, AND I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WERE SAVED IN A CHURCH THAT BELIEVES IN THE TRINITY.
IT'S A FACT THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT IN ORDER TO BE SAVED.
EVEN THE BIBLE ITSELF ADMONISHES US TO WORSHIP JESUS WHO DEFEATED SATAN AND BROUGHT LIFE AND LIGHT AND SALVATION TO ALL MANKIND.
HE IS EVEN SEATED AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD.
GET OVER IT, JESUS IS TO BE WORSHIPED AND IT DON'T MATTER WEATHER THE DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY IS CORRECT OR NOT IN ORDER TO BE SAVED AND LIVE FOR HIM,
(ALTHOUGH I DO BELIEVE THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER WILL RESULT IN A DEEPER UNDERSTANDING OF THE WORD AND OF GODS WILL)
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE ENEMY WANTS US TO DO IS FIGHT EACH OTHER OVER MATTERS THAT WILL NEITHER SAVE US OR KEEP US FROM A RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.
IS THIS WHAT HE DIED FOR, SO THAT WE CAN BE PRIDEFUL AND ARROGANT OF OUR DOCTRINAL BELIEFS?
THE WORLD LOOKS AT US AND SAYS,”I DON'T NEED TO BE A PART OF THIS CRAZY BUSINESS, I'VE GOT ENOUGH PROBLEMS OF MY OWN”
Hi Rich, (in response to your off topic post)
The “Trinity” and “non-Trinity”
ideas are both founded in truth. (Link)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Richtuner @ Nov. 28 2012,06:50) I MYSELF, AND I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WERE SAVED IN A CHURCH THAT BELIEVES IN THE TRINITY. IT'S A FACT THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT IN ORDER TO BE SAVED.
EVEN THE BIBLE ITSELF ADMONISHES US TO WORSHIP JESUS WHO DEFEATED SATAN AND BROUGHT LIFE AND LIGHT AND SALVATION TO ALL MANKIND.
HE IS EVEN SEATED AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD.
GET OVER IT, JESUS IS TO BE WORSHIPED AND IT DON'T MATTER WEATHER THE DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY IS CORRECT OR NOT IN ORDER TO BE SAVED AND LIVE FOR HIM,
(ALTHOUGH I DO BELIEVE THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER WILL RESULT IN A DEEPER UNDERSTANDING OF THE WORD AND OF GODS WILL)
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE ENEMY WANTS US TO DO IS FIGHT EACH OTHER OVER MATTERS THAT WILL NEITHER SAVE US OR KEEP US FROM A RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.
IS THIS WHAT HE DIED FOR, SO THAT WE CAN BE PRIDEFUL AND ARROGANT OF OUR DOCTRINAL BELIEFS?
THE WORLD LOOKS AT US AND SAYS,”I DON'T NEED TO BE A PART OF THIS CRAZY BUSINESS, I'VE GOT ENOUGH PROBLEMS OF MY OWN”
AMEN Rich!
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