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Quote (francis @ Jan. 15 2011,06:52) Ed J… Quote You are right: your use of the English differs from mine… Ed J… I'm not interested in doing this anymore. I know that you mean well, but I'm having a very difficult time in understanding you, and so I don't wish to continue this disucssion any longer.
Although I don't agree with you that “agreeing to disagree” is unfounded and useless, I do believe that our present dicussion IS useless.
And because I wish to part on amicable terms and remain friends, I will agree to disagree with you on this issue.
God Bless
Francis
Hi Francis,If you would spend less time discussing 'opinions',
we can work towards agreeing on “The Truth”!
Concentrate on the Post that is “three” up.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org<!–QuoteBegin–Francis+Jan. 15 2011,07:07–>
Quote (Francis @ Jan. 15 2011,07:07) We are supposed to be having a constructive discussion that will help us to see <!–QuoteBegin–Ed J+Jan. 15 2011,04:58–>
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 15 2011,04:58) You believe: Jesus was 100% not God and 100% God.
<!–QuoteBegin–Francis+Jan. 16 2011,04:50–>Quote (Francis @ Jan. 16 2011,04:50) (only in math is absolute proof possible)
Hi Francis,Will you then “agree” that this wording's accurate to your view?
If you can agree with the wording of my assessment of your view,
we are breaking new ground and, I have something to work with.1Corinth.3:11-13 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
Every man's work shall be made manifest: for “the day” shall declare it, because it shall be
revealed by fire; and the fire (Hebrews 12:29) shall try every man's work of what sort it is.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd J…
I already gave you my answer previously.
The fact is, I'm not interested in doing this anymore. I know that you mean well, but I'm having a very difficult time in understanding you, and so I don't wish to continue this disucssion any longer.
Even you, on more than one occassion, have agreed that we are not using the English language in the same way. So if we can't even communicate in the first place, how does further discussion benefit us?
Although I don't agree with you that “agreeing to disagree” is unfounded and useless as you have contended, I do believe that our present dicussion IS useless.
And because I wish to part on amicable terms and remain friends, I will agree to disagree with you on this issue.
God Bless
FrancisQuote (francis @ Jan. 18 2011,05:45) Ed J… I already gave you my answer previously.
The fact is, I'm not interested in doing this anymore. I know that you mean well, but I'm having a very difficult time in understanding you, and so I don't wish to continue this disucssion any longer.
Even you, on more than one occassion, have agreed that we are not using the English language in the same way. So if we can't even communicate in the first place, how does further discussion benefit us?
Although I don't agree with you that “agreeing to disagree” is unfounded and useless as you have contended, I do believe that our present dicussion IS useless.
And because I wish to part on amicable terms and remain friends, I will agree to disagree with you on this issue.
God Bless
Francis
<!–QuoteBegin–Ed J+Jan. 15 2011,04:58–>Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 15 2011,04:58) You believe: Jesus was 100% not God and 100% God.
Hi Francis,My goal is to help establish “The Truth” of what you believe.
This is why I ask: if what I have written in the quote is accurate.
You do not seem to be interested in establishing “The Truth”; why?
Would you rather spend your time in endless disputes with the others?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd J…
Quote You believe: Jesus was 100% not God and 100% God. I'm not interested in doing this any longer because we are not able to communicate.
Look what you wrote above. This is NOT what I have said anywhere. So what you wrote only proves what I've been saying. Our discussion is useless because you can't even understand what I've been saying.
Anyway… you can't say something is equally 100% and not 100% of a certain thing, at the same time. That is a contradiction… a logical fallacy. For example, you can't say that you are alive and not alive at the same time.
But in the case of Jesus and the discussion we were having, He was not composed of only ONE thing… and it is that one thing you keep comparing to itself.
And therein lies the seeds of destruction for the above statement of yours. Not only that, but I've already explained that I wasn't using the % symbol because you kept using it as some kind of mathematical equation. I SPECIFICALLY said that I was trying to convey the word “FULLY”… not a mathematical equation utilizing percentages. And you ignored me.
Jesus was FULLY man (human flesh and human consciousness) and FULLY Spirit (Divine).
Now… if we are speaking ONLY of the human part of Jesus, then logically Jesus can't be 100% human and at the same time NOT be 100% human.
And likewise, if we are speaking ONLY of the Spirit INSIDE of Jesus, then logically Jesus can't be 100% Spirit (Divine) and at the same time NOT be 100& Spirit (Divine).
But I wasn't speaking of just one thing… I was speaking of both the human part AND the Spirit part when i said that Jesus is FULLY God and FULLY man. The spirit and the flesh are TWO different things entirely… not one thing.
I honestly do not know how much plainer I can make it for you.
You do realize why you are not undersanding me, don't you? It's because we both agree that we are not using the English Language in the same manner. And that is why this conversation is USELESS!!!
Not only that… but you don't appear to listen. I told you that I was NOT using percentages… and yet what do you do in the latest post of yours? YOU USE PERCENTAGES!!
This clearly shows that you dont even respect me enough to listen to me.
Ed J… our conversation is over. I'm sorry if I have hurt your feelings in anyway. But I'm not interested in going further in this and I won't.
God Bless
Respectfully
FrancisQuote This clearly shows that you dont even respect me enough to listen to me.
Exactly Francis, its like talking to a wall, or someone with a foreign language.
As Ed J said many times, he is desperate to “Teach”
He isnt intrested in listening.The best teachers listen to thier students, and observe them, and lead by example.
And The best way to be a Teacher is first being a student.
Lead by being a servant.
He doesnt offer this.Quote (francis @ Jan. 18 2011,06:47) Ed J… Quote You believe: Jesus was 100% not God and 100% God. I'm not interested in doing this any longer because we are not able to communicate.
Look what you wrote above. This is NOT what I have said anywhere.
God Bless
Respectfully
Francis
Hi Francis,I asked if you could agree with my assessment of your view,
to which you still have not answered; does that mean you cannot?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 18 2011,07:11) As Ed J said many times, he is desperate to “Teach”
Hi Dennison,No-where have I said any such thing?
Quote (francis @ Jan. 18 2011,06:47) Ed J… Quote You believe: Jesus was 100% not God and 100% God. I'm not interested in doing this any longer because we are not able to communicate.
Look what you wrote above. This is NOT what I have said anywhere. So what you wrote only proves what I've been saying. Our discussion is useless because you can't even understand what I've been saying.
Anyway… you can't say something is equally 100% and not 100% of a certain thing, at the same time. That is a contradiction… a logical fallacy. For example, you can't say that you are alive and not alive at the same time.
But in the case of Jesus and the discussion we were having, He was not composed of only ONE thing… and it is that one thing you keep comparing to itself.
God Bless
Respectfully
Francis
Hi Francis,The reason we are having trouble communicating.
is because you are not answering my questions!
Was the human “part” of Jesus 100% not God?Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 18 2011,01:16) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 18 2011,07:11) As Ed J said many times, he is desperate to “Teach”
Hi Dennison,No-where have I said any such thing?
Lol,
in the other thread, you stated “you dont debate, you are here to shine the truth”so thats the same thing im saying.
your desperate to teach, but not humble to have a discussion amoung peers.your desperate.
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 18 2011,01:39) Quote (francis @ Jan. 18 2011,06:47) Ed J… Quote You believe: Jesus was 100% not God and 100% God. I'm not interested in doing this any longer because we are not able to communicate.
Look what you wrote above. This is NOT what I have said anywhere. So what you wrote only proves what I've been saying. Our discussion is useless because you can't even understand what I've been saying.
Anyway… you can't say something is equally 100% and not 100% of a certain thing, at the same time. That is a contradiction… a logical fallacy. For example, you can't say that you are alive and not alive at the same time.
But in the case of Jesus and the discussion we were having, He was not composed of only ONE thing… and it is that one thing you keep comparing to itself.
God Bless
Respectfully
Francis
Hi Francis,The reason we are having trouble communicating.
is because you are not answering my questions!
Was the human “part” of Jesus 100% not God?
Ed, Your worse than the door-to-door mormans who want to shove thier doctrines down peoples throat.Francis has “closed the door on you” yet you keep on knocking and shouting.
Have Respect and stop.
Respect the man, that he doesnt want to further discuss with you.Are you that into yourself? do you not have respect for peoples decisions?
Hi Dennison,
I fine respectful person you are, accusations and name calling?
Think about it.
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Dennison,
Don't you think we should answer questions regarding our teaching? Click Here <– Third Post
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 17 2011,15:41) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 18 2011,01:16) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 18 2011,07:11) As Ed J said many times, he is desperate to “Teach”
Hi Dennison,No-where have I said any such thing?
Lol,
in the other thread, you stated “you dont debate, you are here to shine the truth”so thats the same thing im saying.
your desperate to teach, but not humble to have a discussion amoung peers.your desperate.
DennisonNo he said he was here “to shine light on the truth”. But the truth is, Truth is the light and doesn't need Eds light to shine upon it.
Anyway, he doesn't seem to be interested in anyones opinions but his own. Of course that is to be expected from a man that believes he is Gods man of power for the hour.
He cliams the scriptures prophesy of him personally. WoW.
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 18 2011,08:59) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 17 2011,15:41) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 18 2011,01:16) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 18 2011,07:11) As Ed J said many times, he is desperate to “Teach”
Hi Dennison,No-where have I said any such thing?
Lol,
in the other thread, you stated “you dont debate, you are here to shine the truth”so thats the same thing im saying.
your desperate to teach, but not humble to have a discussion amoung peers.your desperate.
DennisonNo he said he was here “to shine light on the truth”. But the truth is, Truth is the light and doesn't need Eds light to shine upon it.
Anyway, he doesn't seem to be interested in anyones opinions but his own. Of course that is to be expected from a man that believes he is Gods man of power for the hour.
He cliams the scriptures prophesy of him personally. WoW.
WJ
Hi WJ,Other then you claiming we teach (according to WJ) different Jesus', we get along pretty Good my friend!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Paladin @ Mar. 08 2011,18:41) He would then be “half-God and half-man.”
Hi Paladin,Are you saying this based on Jesus lineage (according to “The Bible”)?
Jesus lineage illustrate
“Son of Man”: 25%; Mary's mother's lineage was of the tribe of Levi. (Luke 1:5, 1:36)
“Son of Man”: 25%: Mary's father's lineage was (Judah) through Nathan(son of David). (Luke 3:23-31)
“Son of God”: 50%: Jesus' Father was the “HolySpirit”; NOT Joseph! (Mathew 1:18 / Mathew 1:20 / Luke 1:35)Birth: Jesus was 50% HolySpirit(God)(Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20 / Luke 1:35), 25% Levite(Priest) and 25% Judah(King)!
Baptism by John the baptizer, Jesus was filled with the HolySpirit(God) beyond measure! (John 3:34 / John 1:14)Here is why Jesus is called both the “Son of Man” and the “Son of God”…
Mother Father
Mary HolySpirit
50% 50%
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Jesus
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Son of Man Son of God
(Mark 6:3) (Luke 1:35)Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)Hi Wake-up. (taken from this thread)
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 30 2012,03:38) Ed, It seems to me that Wakeup is saying that Jesus on earth was only a human being – not full God, or even half God.
Yes, I know that Mike, but that doesn't answer the question of “WHY”?To this…
Quote (Note: I removed the part that I didn't want him to address out of his quote @ 4th post)
If Jesus is half God and half man then his death cant be genuine.I say it can, and it does!
So I would like him to explain why he believes it can't?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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