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Hi LU,
There is no scripture that says Jesus had a relationship with God before his conception.
My WORDS are Spirit and truth.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 26 2012,12:11) Hi LU,
There is no scripture that says Jesus had a relationship with God before his conception.
My WORDS are Spirit and truth.
Hmmmm,my words ? THE WORD
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 26 2012,12:37) Hi T,
What in the verse upsets you?
Ni wander if you still mix those two up
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 25 2012,13:11) Hi LU,
There is no scripture that says Jesus had a relationship with God before his conception.
My WORDS are Spirit and truth.
Nick,
He is the Firstborn of God the Father (Col 1:15) who was brought forth when there were no fountains abounding with water, before the hills…22The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
23I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
24When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
25Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
26While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
27When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
28When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
29When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
30Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;
Relationship…”then I was by Him, as one brought up with Him: and I was daily His delight, regoicing always before Him.”
Quote Thanks but you have the wrong impression if you think that I believe that God is one person summed up in the name Lord Jesus Christ. Things are done in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ or simply in the name of Jesus, or Lord, or Christ. Even baptism is done in the name of Jesus Christ and not always the Lord Jesus Christ. It means that those things are done by the authority of Jesus.
Kathi, I guess I was just hoping that you had seen the truth. One day in the not so distant future, many of those spoke of in Mat 25 will know the truth as they go into great tribulation. The time of the gentiles is almost over.
God Bless
MarlinMarlin,
Do you understand that when scripture says that when someone does something “in the name of Jesus” that they are doing those things in submission to His authority or by His authority or in His rememberance, etc., like when they heal in the name of Jesus or cast out demons in the name of Jesus? Baptism was one of those things done in submission to His authority and thus they would say that they baptized in the name of Jesus, not that those were the words used during the act of baptizing. I believe that we can assume that they baptized just as Jesus told them to…”in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.”Here are some scriptures that show the disciples did things besides baptism in the name of Jesus:
Acts 3:6 But Peter said, “I do not possess silver and gold, but what I do have I give to you: In the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene– walk!”
2 Thess 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from every brother who leads an unruly life and not according to the tradition which you received from us.
Eph 5:20 always giving thanks for all things in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ to God, even the Father;
So, Marlin, you can see that a variety of things are done in the name of Jesus. Also please note that in the following verses about baptism, the name 'Lord Jesus Christ' is not the only way His name is said which should show you that there is a kink in your theory that men were baptized in the name of the 'Lord Jesus Christ' with Lord referring to the Father, Jesus referring to the Son, and Christ referring to the Holy Spirit. Obviously that doesn't refer to the formula of baptism but perhaps to who authorized them to baptize.
Acts 2:38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
God bless,
KathiQuote I believe that we can assume that they baptized just as Jesus told them to…”in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.” Sister Kathi,
This says it all right here, Intellectual understanding. God didn't really mean what He said through Peter, Paul and all the others. He really meant for you to baptize in the TITLES, Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
Of which anyone should know that none of these are NAMES. And the 2nd thing, Jesus said NAME, single NAME not names. So even if these were names, which they are not. WHICH ONE is the correct one to use.Maybe you could use three of the other titles of God instead. I am truly sorry Kathi, in this you are deceived.
Quote So, Marlin, you can see that a variety of things are done in the name of Jesus. Also please note that in the following verses about baptism, the name 'Lord Jesus Christ' is not the only way His name is said which should show you that there is a kink in your theory that men were baptized in the name of the 'Lord Jesus Christ' with Lord referring to the Father, Jesus referring to the Son, and Christ referring to the Holy Spirit. Obviously that doesn't refer to the formula of baptism but perhaps to who authorized them to baptize. Acts 2:38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Dear Kathi,
The NAME “Lord Jesus Christ” is use eighty-one times in the bible.This is not theory, this is fact. I can not make you see or anyone else see the truth of it and even if I could, I wouldn't. If someone is convince against their will, their of the same opinion still. God gives us all free will to make our own choices. Those that are His, will see the truth of this in the scriptures. Such as, Isa 9:6, Phi 2:9-11, Acts 4:12 and others such as.
COL 3:17 † And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
God Bless
MarlinQuote (Marlin1 @ Feb. 27 2012,14:10)
The NAME “Lord Jesus Christ” is use eighty-one times in the bible.
Hi Marlin,I don't want to sound like a “nitpicker”, Marlin,
but “Lord Jesus Christ” is actually used 83 times.
Twice in 1Thess 1:1 and twice also in 2Thess 1:12.This information points directly towards God's Signature.
Here's how [26+63+74+117+151= the 83rd prime number]God's Signature
Proof of God=117
GOD(26) → The Bible(63) → AKJV Bible(74) → The LORD JEHOVAH(151)יהוה=26 (God's Name: YHVH pronounced YÄ-hä-vā)
YHVH=63 (God's Name יהוה translated into English)
Jesus=74 (God's Son's name in English is: “Joshua”)
HolySpirit=151 (“FATHER: The Word”: in all believers)
God The Father=117 (Representing “GOD”: יהוה האלהים)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgPS. Here are two related topical threads:
(The thread THAT PROVES GOD’s EXISTENCE)
(Trinity and non-Trinity, can both views be correct?)Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2012,23:57) Quote (Marlin1 @ Feb. 27 2012,14:10)
The NAME “Lord Jesus Christ” is use eighty-one times in the bible.
Hi Marlin,I don't want to sound like a “nitpicker”, Marlin,
but “Lord Jesus Christ” is actually used 83 times.
Twice in 1Thess 1:1 and twice also in 2Thess 1:12.This information points directly towards God's Signature.
Here's how [26+63+74+117+151= the 83rd prime number]God's Signature
Proof of God=117
GOD(26) → The Bible(63) → AKJV Bible(74) → The LORD JEHOVAH(151)יהוה=26 (God's Name: YHVH pronounced YÄ-hä-vā)
YHVH=63 (God's Name יהוה translated into English)
Jesus=74 (God's Son's name in English is: “Joshua”)
HolySpirit=151 (“FATHER: The Word”: in all believers)
God The Father=117 (Representing “GOD”: יהוה האלהים)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgPS. Here are two related topical threads:
(The thread THAT PROVES GOD’s EXISTENCE)
(Trinity and non-Trinity, can both views be correct?)
only once is enough for a wise manQuote (Marlin1 @ Feb. 26 2012,22:10) Quote I believe that we can assume that they baptized just as Jesus told them to…”in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.” Sister Kathi,
This says it all right here, Intellectual understanding. God didn't really mean what He said through Peter, Paul and all the others. He really meant for you to baptize in the TITLES, Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
Of which anyone should know that none of these are NAMES. And the 2nd thing, Jesus said NAME, single NAME not names. So even if these were names, which they are not. WHICH ONE is the correct one to use.Maybe you could use three of the other titles of God instead. I am truly sorry Kathi, in this you are deceived.
Quote So, Marlin, you can see that a variety of things are done in the name of Jesus. Also please note that in the following verses about baptism, the name 'Lord Jesus Christ' is not the only way His name is said which should show you that there is a kink in your theory that men were baptized in the name of the 'Lord Jesus Christ' with Lord referring to the Father, Jesus referring to the Son, and Christ referring to the Holy Spirit. Obviously that doesn't refer to the formula of baptism but perhaps to who authorized them to baptize. Acts 2:38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Dear Kathi,
The NAME “Lord Jesus Christ” is use eighty-one times in the bible.This is not theory, this is fact. I can not make you see or anyone else see the truth of it and even if I could, I wouldn't. If someone is convince against their will, their of the same opinion still. God gives us all free will to make our own choices. Those that are His, will see the truth of this in the scriptures. Such as, Isa 9:6, Phi 2:9-11, Acts 4:12 and others such as.
COL 3:17 † And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
God Bless
Marlin
Marlin,
you said:Quote This says it all right here, Intellectual understanding. God didn't really mean what He said through Peter, Paul and all the others. He really meant for you to baptize in the TITLES, Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
Of which anyone should know that none of these are NAMES. And the 2nd thing, Jesus said NAME, single NAME not names. So even if these were names, which they are not. WHICH ONE is the correct one to use.The Bible is inerrant but I believe your understanding of these things is in error. Father, Son and Holy Spirit are certainly names. Did you call your father “Father.” Jesus does and we are to pray 'Our Father who art in heaven.' The Son's name is the Son as well as Yeshua as well as the Lord Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit's name is the Holy Spirit. I think you are trying to be the one using some funny sort of intellectual reasoning to say they are not names. When Jesus was on the cross He used the name 'Father' when He asked Him to forgive them for they do not know what they do. So, you need to adjust your theology, imo. Also your judgmental attitude about who is deceived needs to be adjusted, also imo.
You are right that Jesus said to baptize 'in the name of,' name being singular but He did name three names with the word 'and' in between so we can assume that He means to baptize in the name of the Father and in the name of the Son and in the name of the Holy Spirit.
For example, if I told my son that I want him to run an errand to the post office, and the grocery store, and the gas station, then we would assume that the errand, singular, implies that each of the three different places would be included in that one errand.
If Jesus said to baptize in the NAMES of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, it could result in us asking which name of the Father since He has many…Almighty God, YHVH, etc. Also the Son, which name would He mean…Jesus, Messiah, Son of David, etc. See what I mean? So using 'name' in the singular means that we are to baptize in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. As I explained elsewhere, your theory that the disciples baptized only in the name 'Lord Jesus Christ' is not implying that the baptismal formula is to say 'I baptize you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.' I believe that the scriptures that say that the disciples baptized in the name of Jesus Christ or the Lord Jesus Christ is merely saying that they baptized the people in the baptism that Jesus commanded them to and I would assume that it was in the formula of 'in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit' because the disciples were obedient.
In other words, you assume too much and judge self righteously.
Take care though,
KathiHi Kathi, I am sorry if I have offended you. Jesus said, blessed is he who is not offended in me.
You said,
Quote we can assume that He means to baptize in the name of the Father and in the name of the Son and in the name of the Holy Spirit. You might be able to assume, but that doesn't make it true.
In the above statement you would be baptizing in the titles of your three gods. This of course came from the Catholic Church after about 325 AD. In fact there is a Dec 5, 1955, Time magazine article that shows the Catholic Church baptizing in the Name of the Lord Jesus in 100 AD. They wanted the people to worship three gods and that is exactly what they have done.This doctrine came from Satan and will return to him. By your doctrine you make the Word of God of no effect.
You rationalize what Peter said in Acts 2:38. You preach a different gospel then Paul (Gal 1:8) and I will go as far as this and tell you if the Lord Jesus Christ is not the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost then Peter, Paul, and the others LIED. They were given a commandment by Jesus Himself to baptize in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Ten days later Peter baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ. Peter, the man with the KEYS didn't lie, Paul didn't lie. None of the disciples lied. They Knew exactly who this person was, He was the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost in Flesh. God the one and only became flesh and dwelt among us. He was the Lord Jesus Christ.
Kathi said,
Quote I believe that the scriptures that say that the disciples baptized in the name of Jesus Christ or the Lord Jesus Christ is merely saying that they baptized the people in the baptism that Jesus commanded them to and I would assume that it was in the formula of 'in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit' because the disciples were obedient. No, Kathi, Jesus in Mat 28:19 says to go and baptize.
In the book of acts they are in the act of baptizing. Paul even made some be rebaptized, before they could receive the Holy Ghost. And they are baptizing correctly in the Name of the Lord Jesus, Jesus Christ, or Lord Jesus Christ.No one was every baptized in the titles until the Catholic Church changed baptism. Show me one place in scripture where anyone was baptized by your formula or any formula using the titles, Father, Son, Holy Ghost?
I call my father, father and my mother, mother. But I new it wasn't their name. Moses ask God what His name was. Did God tell him to call him Father, Son, Holy Ghost? NO, even though those are titles of His. He said, (I am that I am). In the Old Testament, He said His Name was Jehovah, yet He told Moses to tell them ('I am' sent you).
In the New Testament, His Name is the Lord Jesus Christ.
God Bless
MarlinHi Everybody,
Jesus lineage is clearly written in “The Bible. (1Thess.5:21)
It's only a matter of lining up all the pieces correctly. (2Tm.2:15)50% “Son of Man” = “Son of Mary” (Matt.1:18 / Matt:1:20 / Mark 6:3 / Luke 1:35)
25% Judah: Mary’s Father Heli was the “son of David” (seed: according to the flesh) through Nathan. (Luke 3:23-31)
Romans 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
25% Levi: Mary’s Mother was from the tribe of Levi (which was the tribe of the priesthood). (Luke 1:5 / Luke 1:36)
Heb.5:6: As he saith also in another place, Thou(Jesus Christ) art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.50% “Son of God” = “Son of The HolySpirit” (Matt. 1:18 / Matt. 1:20 / Luke 1:35)
Matt.1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused
to Joseph, before they came (consummated) together, she was found with child of the HolySpirit.
Matt.1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto
him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife:
for that which is conceived in her is of the HolySpirit. (Son of the HolySpirit = Son of God)
Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The HolySpirit shall come upon
thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that
holy thing(Jesus) which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.Luke 20:41-44 And he said unto them, How say they that Christ is David's son? And David
himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD(יהוה האלהים) said unto my Lord(יהשוע המשיח),
Sit thou on my right hand, Till I make thine enemies thy footstool. (Psalm 110:1-2)
David therefore calleth him(Jesus Christ) Lord, how how is he(Jesus Christ) then his(David's) son?Can you reconcile these two Scriptures together, I can!
John 5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
Jn.8:14 …Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true…
John 5:37 is therefore fulfilled today in your reading of this Post! (Rev.21:2-3)Luke 10:30-37 will help you understand who יהשוע המשיח YÄ-shü-ă hä-Mäh-shē-äkh was! (John 8:14) This is
an exegetical parable about [יהשוע המשיח (Jesus Christ) and “His neighbor” יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD)! (John 5:37)Luke 10:30-37 And Jesus answering said, A certain man (Jesus) went down from Jerusalem to Jericho,
and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.
And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.
And likewise a Levite(a Priest), when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.
But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,
And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him
to an inn, and took care of him. And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to
the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will
repay thee. Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?
And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.
Romans 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness,
by the resurrection from the dead: (Gal.1:1) (John 6:39-40 / John 6:54)Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)Hi ED,
You say
“Can you reconcile these two Scriptures together, I can!
John 5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
Jn.8:14 …Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true…”Jn 5 needs to be read from v 31 to 39
It is about LEGAL truth as shown in 2Cor 13.1
Two or three witnesses are needed to establish a fact.Jesus showed that the scriptures and the Father in Him provide two witnesses -as in Jn8
Marlin,
Quote Hi Kathi, I am sorry if I have offended you. Offended would not be the word I would use. So, no need for apology because you didn't offend me
I think that your church history is wrong. In the early church writings there is evidence of the believer's being baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit long before the Catholic church formalized it. You can read the Didache and Justin Martyr for instance.
Perhaps you do not think that “Father” is a name because you do not have that Father/son relationship with Him. Also, perhaps, “Son” is not a name that you can use because you do not know Him as the only literal Son of God. That may be the reason that you cannot see them as names. Just sayin'.
Kathi
Quote I think that your church history is wrong. In the early church writings there is evidence of the believer's being baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit long before the Catholic church formalized it. You can read the Didache and Justin Martyr for instance. Perhaps you do not think that “Father” is a name because you do not have that Father/son relationship with Him. Also, perhaps, “Son” is not a name that you can use because you do not know Him as the only literal Son of God. That may be the reason that you cannot see them as names. Just sayin'.
Kathi, Just as Nick said the apostasy started early. But I believed you missed the whole point. What church made it law. The Roman Catholic Church made it LAW at about 325 AD. They killed those that didn't bow. But even they baptized correctly for a time, as shown in Time magazine.
For the life of me, I can not see how you can think that father, mother, daughter, son, boy, girl, woman, man can be names. Try this, go to the bank and sign a check Daughter and see if they will cash it. We are talking of the one and only God of the universe. The Pentecostal Oneness baptize wrong in that they baptize in the Name of Jesus Only. There are many Jesus' in the world, but there is only one Jesus the Christ.
Baptism in the titles Father, Son, and Holy Ghost is NO BAPTISM at all. It is doing the same as Cain did and it will not be accepted by God. God even told Cain go and do like your brother or else sin is at the door.God Bless
MarlinMarlin and Nick,
You are too funny how you both throw the word apostate out there. You would say the same about each other's view from what I can tell.Justin was willing to be martyred for his beliefs would you?
And Marlin…I do call my daughter “Daughter” from time to time. That is because we are in that kind of relationship. But like I said if you do not have a Father/son relationship with God, you wouldn't address Him by the NAME 'Father.' Those who are born again call Him by the name “Father.” It is a name of endearment.
Kathi
Hi LU,
Here is the didache
I prefer the WordClick here for The Reluctant Messenger (Host Site)
The Didache: Teachings of the 12 ApostlesThe Didache is, in all probability, the oldest surviving extant piece of non-canonical literature. It is not so much a letter as a handbook for new Christian converts, consisting of instructions derived directly from the teachings of Jesus. The book can be divided into three sections. The first six chapters consist of Christian lessons; the next four give descriptions of the Christian ceremonies, including baptism, fasting and communion; and the last six outline the church organization.
The Didache claims to have been authored by the twelve apostles. While this is unlikely, the work could be a direct result of the first Apostolic Council, c.50 C.E. (Acts 15:28). Similarities to the Apostolic Decree are apparent, and the given structure of the church is quite primitive. Also, the description of the Eucharist (bread and wine) carefully avoids mention of the “body and blood of Christ,” obviously being regarded as one of the secret mysteries of eary Christianity. Most scholars agree that the work, in its earliest form, may have circulated as early as the 60's C.E., though additions and modifications may have taken place well into the third century. The work was never officially rejected by the Church, but was excluded from the canon for its lack of literary value.The complete text of the Didache was discovered in the Codex Hierosolymitanus, though a number of fragments exist, most notably in the Oxyrhynchus Papyri. It was originally composed in Greek, probably within a small community.
THE DIDACHE
Translated from the Greek text published
by Roswell D. Hitchcock in 1884.
TEACHING OF THE LORD TO THE NATIONS THROUGH THE TWELVE APOSTLES
ONETwo ways there are, one of life and one of death, but there is a great difference between the two ways.
The way of life is indeed this: First, you will love the God who made you; secondly, “you will love your neighbor as yourself.” Now all the things that you do not want to have happen to you, you too do not do these to one another.
Now the teaching of these sayings is this: “Praise those who curse you”, and pray for your enemies; now fast for those who are persecuting you. For what favor is it if you love those who love you? Don't the gentiles do the same? But you love those who hate you, and you will have no enemies.
“Hold yourself away from the fleshly” and kosmic “strong desires.” “If someone should give you a blow to your right cheek, turn to him also the left one,” and you will be complete. “If anyone should force you to go one mile, go with him two.” “If anyone takes your cloak, give him your tunic also.” If anyone takes what is yours away from you, do not ask for it back. For neither are you able. “Give to everyone who asks from you,” and do not ask for it back. For the Father wants to give of his own free gifts to everyone.
Blessed is the one who gives according to the precept, for he is guiltless. Woe to the one who takes. For if indeed someone takes who has a need, he will be guiltless. But the one who has no need will give a judgment as to why he took, and for what reason, and he will come under arrest and will be examined about what he did. And “he will not go out from there until he pays the last quadrans.” But it has also been said about this: “Let your charitable gifts sweat in your hands, until indeed you know who to give to.”
Now the second precept of the teaching is: ” You will not murder. You will not commit adultery.” You will not sodomize young boys. You will not have unlawful sex. ” You will not steal.” Do not practice magic. Do not practice sorcery. Neither murder a child by abortion, nor will you destroy what is born. You will not strongly desire your neighbor's things. You will not make oaths. ” You will not bear false testimony.” You will not say bad things. You will not remember bad things. You will not be double-minded or double-tongued, for the double-tongue is a snare of death. Your message is not to be false or empty, but being filled with practice. You should be neither greedy nor a swindler, nor hypocrite, nor malicious, nor high-minded. You will not take evil counsel against your neighbor. You will not hate any people, but you will reprove some, and you will pray for some, and some you will love more than your life.
My child, flee from every evil thing, and from everything like it. Do not become angry, for anger is the way to murder. Neither should you be jealous, nor one who creates strife, nor emotional. For murders are born out of all of these.
My child, do not become strongly desirous, for strong desire is the way to sexual sin. Neither should you be a speaker of filth, nor high-eyed. For adulteries are born out of all of these.
My child, do not become someone who looks for omens, since it is the way to idolatry. Neither should you be an enchanter, nor an astrologer, nor a cleanser. Nor should you want to look at these things, for idolatry is born out of all of these things.
My child, do not become a liar, since lying is the way to theft. Neither should you be greedy, nor a lover of money, nor worthlessly conceited. For thefts are born out of all of these things. My child, do not become a grumbler, since it leads to evil speaking. Neither should you be assumers, nor evil-minded. For evil-speakings are born out of all of these.
But be meek, since “the meek will inherit the land.” Become longsuffering, and merciful, and guiltless, and quiet, and good, and throughout everything tremble at the sayings that you have heard.
You will not exalt yourself, nor will you give over-boldness to your soul. Your soul will not cling with the high people, but you will conduct yourself with the just and lowly ones. Accept the things that transpire to you as good workings, knowing that nothing happens without God.
My child, remember night and day the one who is speaking God's message to you. Now you will honor him as you would honor the Lord. For where the lordship may be spoken, there is the Lord. Now daily you will seek out the faces of the holy ones, so that you would be refreshed by their words. You will not want division, but you will make peace with those who are fighting. You will judge justly. In giving a reproof of a wandering, you will not respect anyone's presence. You will not be two souled regarding whether or not it should be. Do not become like one who stretches out his hands for taking but who draws them in for giving. If you have, you will give by your hands a ransom for your sins. You will not hesitate to give, nor will you grumble while giving. For you will know who it is that is the nice payer of the reward. You will not turn away the one who is needy, but you will share all things together with your brother, and you will not claim them to be your own things. For if you are partners in what is immortal, how much more are you partners in what is mortal?
You will not take your hand away from your son or your daughter, but from youth you will teach the fear of God. You will not give directives in your bitterness to your slave or handmaid, these who are hoping in the same God. Otherwise they may not fear the God who is over both of you. For he is not coming to call people according to appearance, but upon those whom the spirit has made ready. Now you who are slaves should be submissive to your lords in sobriety and fear, as to a type of God.
You will hate every hypocrisy and all of what is not pleasing to the Lord. You will by no means forsake the Lord's precepts, but you will guard what you have received–neither adding to them nor removing from them. You will acknowledge your wanderings in an assembly, and you will not come forward to your prayer with an evil consciousness. This is the way of life.
TWO
Now the way of death is this: First of all, it is evil and full of curses: mur
ders, adulteries, strong desires, unlawful sex acts, thefts, idolatries, magic acts, sorceries, robberies, false testimonies, hypocrisies, two-heartedness, deceit, arrogance, badness, assumptions, greed, shameful speech, jealousy, an overbearing nature, loftiness, pride; persecutors of good; hating truth, loving falsehood; not knowing the reward of what is right, not clinging to good, nor to just judgment, watching not for good but for evil. Far from these people are meekness and endurance. They love worthless things, persuing revenge, not showing mercy to a poor person, not laboring for those who are weary, not knowing the one who made them, murderers of children, corrupters of molded image of God, turning away those who are in need,oppressing the afflicted; comforters of the wealthy, lawless judges of the poor; universal sinners. Children, may you be rescued from all of these.See to it that no one lead you astray from this way of the teaching, since it does not teach you without God. For if indeed you are able to bear the whole of the Lord's yoke, you will be complete. But if you are not able, do what you are able.
THREE
Now about food: bear what you are able to bear. But watch out for the idol-sacrifices, for this is a religious service of dead gods.Now about baptism, baptize this way: after first uttering all of these things, baptize “into the name of the Father and of the son and of the holy Spirit” in running water. But if you do not have running water, baptize in other water. Now if you are not able to do so in cold water, do it in warm water. Now if you don't have either, pour water three times on the head, “into the name of the Father, and of the son, and of the holy Spirit.” Now before the ritual cleansing, the baptizer and the one being baptized should fast, and any others who are able. Now you will give word for the one who is being baptized to fast for one or two days beforehand.
But do not let your fasts be with the hypocrites. For they fast on the second day of the week and on the fifth. But you fast on the fourth day and the day of preparation. Neither should you pray like the hypocrites, but as the Lord gave word in his good message, pray like this: “Our Father, the one who is in Heaven, your name has been made holy. Let your kingdom come. Let what you want also be done on earth, as in Heaven. Give us the bread we need today and forgive us our debts as we also forgive our debtors. And don't carry us into trial, but rescue us from the evil one. For yours is the power and the glory for the age.” Pray this way three times daily.
Now about the thanksgiving, give thanks this way:
First, about the cup: “We thank you, our Father, for the holy vine of your boy David which you made known to us through your boy Jesus. Glory be to you for the age.
Now about the broken loaf: “We thank you, our Father, for the life and the knowledge that you made known to us through your boy Jesus. Glory be to you for the age. Just as this broken loaf was scattered on top of the hills and as it was gathered together and became one, in the same way let your assembly be gathered together from the remotest parts of the land into your kingdom. “For yours is the glory and the power through Anointed Jesus for the age.” Now no one should either eat or drink from your thanksgiving meal, but those who have been baptized into the Lord's name. For about this also the Lord said, “Do not give what is holy to the dogs.”
Now after you have been filled, give thanks this way: “We thank you, holy Father, for your holy name, which you made to live in our hearts, and for the knowledge and trust and immortality which you made known to us through Jesus your boy. Glory be to you for the age.
“Almighty master, it was you who created all for the sake of your name. You gave both food and drink to people for enjoyment, so that they might give thanks to you. But to us you have freely given spiritual food and drink and eternal life through your boy. Before all things, we are thankful to you that you are powerful. Glory be to you for the age.
“O Lord, remember your assembly, remember to rescue it from every evil and to make it complete in your love, and to gather it from the four winds into your kingdom which youprepared for it–it, which has been made holy. For yours is the power and the glory for the age.
“Let generosity come, and let this universe pass away. Hosanna to David's son! If someone is holy, let him come. If someone is not, he should change his mind. Marana-tha. A-mein.” Now permit the prophets to give thanks as much as they want.
FOUR
Therefore, the one who comes and teaches you all of these things which have been previously spoken, accept him. But if he, the teacher, should turn to teach another teaching, so as to release this one, do not listen to him. But if he teaches to promote what is right and knowledge of the Lord, accept him as you would the Lord.Now about the envoys and prophets, do just as according to the tenet of the good message. Now each envoy who comes to you, accept as you would the Lord. But he will not remain for one day. Now if there is need, also the next day. But if he remains for three, he is a false prophet.
Now when the envoy departs, he should take nothing except bread until he lodges. But if he should ask for money, he is a false prophet.
And every prophet who speaks with the spirit, you will not test or judge, for every sin will be forgiven. But not everyone who speaks with the spirit is a prophet: but if he has the conduct of the Lord. Therefore, from their conduct, the false prophet and the prophet will be made known. And no prophet with the spirit who orders a meal eats from it, unless indeed he is a false prophet. Now every prophet who teaches the truth, if he does not do as he teaches, is a false prophet. But every prophet who has been proved, who is true, who does things for the kosmic secrets of the assembly but who does not teach to do as he does, will not be judged among you. For the ancient prophets did it this way also. But whoever says with the spirit, “Give me money (or something else),” you will not listen to him. But if he says to give on behalf of others who are in need, no one should judge him.
Now everyone who comes in the Lord's name should be accepted. But afterward, you will examine him to know him. For you will have understanding, right and left. If the one who comes is a traveller, help him as much as you are able. But he will not remain with you except for two or three days, if there is a necessity. But if he wants to dwell with you, since he is a craftsman, he should work to eat. But if he has no craft, provide according to your understanding, so that no lazy person would be lifing among you as an “Anointed”. But if he does not want to do this, he is one who profits financially from the Anointed One. Be careful about such people.
Now every true prophet who wants to settle near you is worthy of his wage. In the same way, a true teacher is also worthy, just as the workman, of his wage. Therefore, every foremost part of the products of the press and threshing floor, both of oxen and of sheep, you will take and give to the prophets. For they are your high priests.
But if you do not have a prophet, give these to the poor. If you make baked bread, take the foremost part and give according to the precept. In the same way, when you open a jar of wine or of oil, take the foremost part and give to the prophets. Now of money and clothing and every possession, take the foremost part as you think it right and give according to the precept.
FIVE
Now according to the Lord's day, gather together and break bread and give thanks, after acknowledging your wanderings to one another, so your sacrifice would be a clean one. But each one who has something against his friend, do not let him come together with you until they are reconciled, so that your sacrifice would not be made common. For this is what was declared by the Lord: ” In every place and time, carry
to me a clean sacrifice. Because I am a great king,” says Yahweh, ” and my name is a wondrous thing among the nations.”SIX
Now hand pick for yourselves overseers and servants worthy of the Lord: men who are meek, not lovers of money, true and proved. For they are giving religious service to you also, as the prophets and teachers are giving religious service.SEVEN
Now reprove one another, not in anger but in peace, as you have it in the good message. And no one should speak to each one who misses the mark against another one, nor should he hear from you, until he changes his mind. But your vows and your charitable works and all your practices, do these, as you have it in the good message of our Lord.Be vigilant on behalf of your life. Do not let your lamps be extinguished, and do not relax your loins. But become prepared. For you do not know the hour in which our Lord is coming. Now you will gather together often, seeking the things that are appropriate for your souls. For all the time of your trust will not profit you, if you do not become complete in the last season.
For in the last days, the false prophets and the corruptors will be multiplied, and the sheep will be turned into wolves, and love will be turned into hate. For when the lawlessness increases, they will hate one another, and they will persecute and deliver up, and then the deceiver of creation will appear as God's son, and he will do signs and wonders. And the land will be given up into his hands. And he will do lawless things which have never been done from the age.
Then human creation will come into the fire of examination, and many will stumble and be destroyed. But those who endure in their trust will be saved from this accursed thing. And then the signs of truth will appear. First, the sign of an opening in Heaven, then the sign of a trumpet's sound, and thirdly, a resurrection of dead people. But not of all people; on the contrary, as it was declared, “The Lord will come, and all the holy ones with him.” Then creation will see the Lord “coming on the clouds of the sky.”
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