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David,
I have not twisted anything that people on here has said, I have quoted them in their entirety, and given them answers to their questions.
Also, I do not try to be the guy that knows it all, but I do as the scriptures instructs us to do, and that is to study to show thyself approved unto Yah, as a workman that does not have to be ashamed, but to prove that perfect will of Yah and rightly dividing the word of truth.
By the way, One Spirit re-asked you some questions in “” How do you pronounce YHWH?”” topic, and I too would like to see your answers to those questions.
Also, you can hop on the band wagon with Nick in accusing me wrongfully, for we all know who thee accuser really is.
Ps, I await to see your answers to ONE SPIRIT'S questions.
It seem as IF those of us who study the scriptures( and in especially thee original language of words) to show ourselves approved unto Yah is accused of the following.
Quote But I ask for what Nick asks, some sign that you care about people and aren't just trying to be the guy that's right, the guy that knows it all. Or, “”
Quote As far as “alienating” himself as you say, it seems a common theme among Sacred Name movement people (those that believe the divine name must be pronounced in the original Hebrew) is that they are exclusionists, holier-than-thou modern day Pharisical egomaniacs. But, that's just what I'm told. Only sometimes do I get this feeling from Elijah. I also get the feeling, as you say, that Elijah is more concerned with winning debates and proving himself right, in a “contest” manner, than directing people in the right direction, or caring if people understand what he's saying, or care about people at all. Was it not also the “” Pharisees “” that asked a ” sign ” from Yahshua Messiah too?
First of all David, I do not belong to any Organization ( which I have said this to you 3 times now, or is that a charm to you?), and second, the Name of Yah or Yahweh, is NOT a Hebrew Pronounciated Name, but an English Transliteration of the four letters YHWH, which you re-peatedly in error keep calling Hebrew Names.
And third, the short contracted Name of Yah( Exod.15:2; Psalms 68:4) is indisputable in its English transliteration and pronounciation, as Strongs Concordance( Heb. Num.3050), and even the Appendix page 1562 of of the N.W.T. will also show and prove.
And last, here is listed below ALL the questions that I asked of Nick, which he has avoided like the plaque, and no one else seems to want to answer either.
1. Why did Yahshua Messiah speak to Paul in the Hebrew tongue Acts 26:14 and not in any of the several other tongues or Languages that Paul Knew and could speak ??
2. Have you ever really done a study of the words idol and idolatry and explore their true definitions meanings ?
3. If Paul used their own pagan name deities in Acts 17 to identify and apply to the true Creator Yah , then why would he even point out the whole city was given to Idolatry ( Acts 17:16) ?
4. Also, then WHY didn't Paul accept their ZEUS and JUPITER as the name deity of the Creator Yah in ( Acts 14), and why did he( Paul) object?
5. So, according to many , then it would make no difference if people called the true Creator Yah by the title or name of a dog, horse, bull, jupiter, zeus, alah, god, gad, -e.t.c. ?
Nick, You, nor anyone else did not answer those questions that I asked.
Eliyah C.
Quote (Eliyah @ Sep. 28 2005,13:11) It seem as IF those of us who study the scriptures( and in especially thee original language of words) to show ourselves approved unto Yah is accused of the following. Quote But I ask for what Nick asks, some sign that you care about people and aren't just trying to be the guy that's right, the guy that knows it all. Or, “”
Quote As far as “alienating” himself as you say, it seems a common theme among Sacred Name movement people (those that believe the divine name must be pronounced in the original Hebrew) is that they are exclusionists, holier-than-thou modern day Pharisical egomaniacs. But, that's just what I'm told. Only sometimes do I get this feeling from Elijah. I also get the feeling, as you say, that Elijah is more concerned with winning debates and proving himself right, in a “contest” manner, than directing people in the right direction, or caring if people understand what he's saying, or care about people at all. Was it not also the “” Pharisees “” that asked a ” sign ” from Yahshua Messiah too?
First of all David, I do not belong to any Organization ( which I have said this to you 3 times now, or is that a charm to you?), and second, the Name of Yah or Yahweh, is NOT a Hebrew Pronounciated Name, but an English Transliteration of the four letters YHWH, which you re-peatedly in error keep calling Hebrew Names.
And third, the short contracted Name of Yah( Exod.15:2; Psalms 68:4) is indisputable in its English transliteration and pronounciation, as Strongs Concordance( Heb. Num.3050), and even the Appendix page 1562 of of the N.W.T. will also show and prove.
And last, here is listed below ALL the questions that I asked of Nick, which he has avoided like the plaque, and no one else seems to want to answer either.
1. Why did Yahshua Messiah speak to Paul in the Hebrew tongue Acts 26:14 and not in any of the several other tongues or Languages that Paul Knew and could speak ??
2. Have you ever really done a study of the words idol and idolatry and explore their true definitions meanings ?
3. If Paul used their own pagan name deities in Acts 17 to identify and apply to the true Creator Yah , then why would he even point out the whole city was given to Idolatry ( Acts 17:16) ?
4. Also, then WHY didn't Paul accept their ZEUS and JUPITER as the name deity of the Creator Yah in ( Acts 14), and why did he( Paul) object?
5. So, according to many , then it would make no difference if people called the true Creator Yah by the title or name of a dog, horse, bull, jupiter, zeus, alah, god, gad, -e.t.c. ?
Nick, You, nor anyone else did not answer those questions that I asked.
Eliyah C.
Hi eliyah,
Acts 26.14
” And when we had all fallen to the ground, I heard a voice saying to me in the Hebrew dialect…”
So scripture does not say why hebrew was used. That being the case anyone drawing conclusions from this verse has to go beyond what is revealed. He has to make presumptions and derive answers by other means. That is not how we study scripture.Nick, your not applying the Principal of scripture line upon line, line upon line, here a little and there a little.
Why didn't Messiah speak to Paul in any of the other languages or dialects that Paul was capable of speaking?
Nick, you haven't even come close to answering all those questions, you better get cracken.
Hi eliyah,
If you could show us context or parallel scripture to show why Paul was spoken to in hebrew I am sure we would all be grateful. Does everyone have to jump at your command or are you a mere man like us?You said,
Quote Hi eliyah,
If you could show us context or parallel scripture to show why Paul was spoken to in hebrew I am sure we would all be grateful. Does everyone have to jump at your command or are you a mere man like us?Quote If you could show us context or parallel scripture to show why Paul was spoken to in hebrew I am sure we would all be grateful. I guess you would be grateful IF I showed you some parallel scriptures that give you the Answer to that question which you seem unable to answer wouldn't you Nick?
Also,
Quote Does everyone have to jump at your command or are you a mere man like us? I was not commanding anyone to do anything, except merely asking you to answer all the questions.
And, am I a mere man like you or who are the us?
Why no Nick, i'm that know it all that You and David accused me of being remember?
Wasn't that a dumb question to ask after you accused me?
Why don't you try answering one of the other questions, or are they even harder to answer without having to agree to them?
Hi Eliyah,
I am happy to help genuine searchers find gems in scripture. Is that why you ask these things or are you trumpeting some vainglorious imagined victory again?Quote (Eliyah @ Sep. 28 2005,13:11) It seem as IF those of us who study the scriptures( and in especially thee original language of words) to show ourselves approved unto Yah is accused of the following. Quote But I ask for what Nick asks, some sign that you care about people and aren't just trying to be the guy that's right, the guy that knows it all. Or, “”
Quote As far as “alienating” himself as you say, it seems a common theme among Sacred Name movement people (those that believe the divine name must be pronounced in the original Hebrew) is that they are exclusionists, holier-than-thou modern day Pharisical egomaniacs. But, that's just what I'm told. Only sometimes do I get this feeling from Elijah. I also get the feeling, as you say, that Elijah is more concerned with winning debates and proving himself right, in a “contest” manner, than directing people in the right direction, or caring if people understand what he's saying, or care about people at all. Was it not also the “” Pharisees “” that asked a ” sign ” from Yahshua Messiah too?
First of all David, I do not belong to any Organization ( which I have said this to you 3 times now, or is that a charm to you?), and second, the Name of Yah or Yahweh, is NOT a Hebrew Pronounciated Name, but an English Transliteration of the four letters YHWH, which you re-peatedly in error keep calling Hebrew Names.
And third, the short contracted Name of Yah( Exod.15:2; Psalms 68:4) is indisputable in its English transliteration and pronounciation, as Strongs Concordance( Heb. Num.3050), and even the Appendix page 1562 of of the N.W.T. will also show and prove.
And last, here is listed below ALL the questions that I asked of Nick, which he has avoided like the plaque, and no one else seems to want to answer either.
1. Why did Yahshua Messiah speak to Paul in the Hebrew tongue Acts 26:14 and not in any of the several other tongues or Languages that Paul Knew and could speak ??
2. Have you ever really done a study of the words idol and idolatry and explore their true definitions meanings ?
3. If Paul used their own pagan name deities in Acts 17 to identify and apply to the true Creator Yah , then why would he even point out the whole city was given to Idolatry ( Acts 17:16) ?
4. Also, then WHY didn't Paul accept their ZEUS and JUPITER as the name deity of the Creator Yah in ( Acts 14), and why did he( Paul) object?
5. So, according to many , then it would make no difference if people called the true Creator Yah by the title or name of a dog, horse, bull, jupiter, zeus, alah, god, gad, -e.t.c. ?
Nick, You, nor anyone else did not answer those questions that I asked.
Eliyah C.
Hi eliyah,
So Paul saw the idols, the humanly fashioned objects of worship in Athens, a city given over to idolaty rather like any city of the world now.He used the culture he was in to lead them from what they were familiar with-gods-to telling them about our God. He did not waste time arguing about names but revealed the nature of our God to those who would listen.
We could all learn from him as he was lead by the Spirit of God.
Quote (Eliyah @ Sep. 28 2005,13:11) It seem as IF those of us who study the scriptures( and in especially thee original language of words) to show ourselves approved unto Yah is accused of the following. Quote But I ask for what Nick asks, some sign that you care about people and aren't just trying to be the guy that's right, the guy that knows it all. Or, “”
Quote As far as “alienating” himself as you say, it seems a common theme among Sacred Name movement people (those that believe the divine name must be pronounced in the original Hebrew) is that they are exclusionists, holier-than-thou modern day Pharisical egomaniacs. But, that's just what I'm told. Only sometimes do I get this feeling from Elijah. I also get the feeling, as you say, that Elijah is more concerned with winning debates and proving himself right, in a “contest” manner, than directing people in the right direction, or caring if people understand what he's saying, or care about people at all. Was it not also the “” Pharisees “” that asked a ” sign ” from Yahshua Messiah too?
First of all David, I do not belong to any Organization ( which I have said this to you 3 times now, or is that a charm to you?), and second, the Name of Yah or Yahweh, is NOT a Hebrew Pronounciated Name, but an English Transliteration of the four letters YHWH, which you re-peatedly in error keep calling Hebrew Names.
And third, the short contracted Name of Yah( Exod.15:2; Psalms 68:4) is indisputable in its English transliteration and pronounciation, as Strongs Concordance( Heb. Num.3050), and even the Appendix page 1562 of of the N.W.T. will also show and prove.
And last, here is listed below ALL the questions that I asked of Nick, which he has avoided like the plaque, and no one else seems to want to answer either.
1. Why did Yahshua Messiah speak to Paul in the Hebrew tongue Acts 26:14 and not in any of the several other tongues or Languages that Paul Knew and could speak ??
2. Have you ever really done a study of the words idol and idolatry and explore their true definitions meanings ?
3. If Paul used their own pagan name deities in Acts 17 to identify and apply to the true Creator Yah , then why would he even point out the whole city was given to Idolatry ( Acts 17:16) ?
4. Also, then WHY didn't Paul accept their ZEUS and JUPITER as the name deity of the Creator Yah in ( Acts 14), and why did he( Paul) object?
5. So, according to many , then it would make no difference if people called the true Creator Yah by the title or name of a dog, horse, bull, jupiter, zeus, alah, god, gad, -e.t.c. ?
Nick, You, nor anyone else did not answer those questions that I asked.
Eliyah C.
Hi eliyah,
So Paul saw the idols, the humanly fashioned objects of worship in Athens, a city given over to idolatry rather like any city of the world now.He used the culture he was in to lead them from what they were familiar with-gods-to telling them about our God. He did not waste time arguing about names but revealed the nature of our God to those who would listen.
We could all learn from him as he was led by the Spirit of God.
Nick,
Do you really think and believe that Paul committed Idolatry Himself( as your words above imply), by calling the true Creator Yah by their same pagan deity, inorder to reveal to those idolatrus people their own pagan deity??Nick, you must be in a dream world to believe and think such a thing, and you have not answered those questions that I asked either.
Hi eliyah,
You are constantly searching for signs of sin, which you define according to your understanding. It seems to confine your interests somewhat and stop you ever receiving truth from others.Stop judging Paul and let him teach you.Nick, your the one judging Paul, as your own words above have proven to do exactly what you accuse me of doing.
For you think that Paul committed Idolatry himself by identifying and calling Yah by the same name and title of their own pagan deities which he is speaking against?
I think you better direct those words of yours to your ownself, and go look in the mirror at yourself, instead of constantly accusing me as you normally do.
Quote (Eliyah @ Sep. 30 2005,00:11) Nick, your the one judging Paul, as your own words above have proven to do exactly what you accuse me of doing. For you think that Paul committed Idolatry himself by identifying and calling Yah by the same name and title of their own pagan deities which he is speaking against?
I think you better direct those words of yours to your ownself, and go look in the mirror at yourself, instead of constantly accusing me as you normally do.
Hi eliyah,
If by your definitions Paul sinned then surely that should cause you to look again at your own definition of sin? Perhaps it is you who is deceived?You said,
Quote If by your definitions Paul sinned then surely that should cause you to look again at your own definition of sin? Perhaps it is you who is deceived? Nick, I never said that Paul sinned, however, that is exactly what you implied that Paul did do in your own posts that you previously posted.
I don't think you even know the scriptural definition of sin , and if you did or do, then you would not be implying such things of Paul, and you would not be accusing me either as you continually do.
David,
Nick seems to negate my questions asked earlier, then he accuses me saying that Paul sinned, and that is exactly what Nick himself implied of Paul did in his own posts.
I cannot have a discussion with Nick, without him twisting my words and accusing me, so from now on, I will post only scriptures that point out Nick's folly.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 25 2005,23:11) Hi,
Acts 17.22
” …….Men of Athens, I observe you are very religious in all respects. For while I was passing through and examining the objects of your worship, I also found an altar with this inscription
'To an unknown God'
What therefore you worship in ignorance I proclaim to you. The God who made the world and all things in it , since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made of human hands;”In which language did Paul speak?
In which language was the inscription?
What words were written?
Did Paul identify with or object to the words used?
Does our God agree with Paul?
Hi eliyah,
Why not stop going around in circles and answer these simple questions before you draw all sorts of implications about our opinions of these verses.Nick,
I answered your questions with scriptural examples which you ignored altogether.
However, Speedy, you did not answer any of my questions at all.
1. Why did Yahshua Messiah speak to Paul in the Hebrew tongue Acts 26:14 and not in any of the several other tongues or Languages that Paul Knew and could speak ??
2. Have you ever really done a study of the words idol and idolatry and explore their true definitions meanings ?
3. If Paul used their own pagan name deities in Acts 17 to identify and apply to the true Creator Yah , then why would he even point out the whole city was given to Idolatry ( Acts 17:16) ?
4. Also, then WHY didn't Paul accept their ZEUS and JUPITER as the name deity of the Creator Yah in ( Acts 14), and why did he( Paul) object?
5. So, according to many , then it would make no difference if people called the true Creator Yah by the title or name of a dog, horse, bull, jupiter, zeus, alah, god, gad, -e.t.c. ?
Nick, You, nor anyone else did not answer those questions that I asked.
So answer the questions Speedy and stop beating arround the mulberry bush with your already answered questions.
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