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Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 13 2009,13:38) Hi BD,
So is rebirth into the son of God essential?
You must be born again.
All people who are of the fleshly mind must be born again.Jesus said:
John 3
1There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:2The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
Corinthians 3:17-18 (King James Version)
17Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
Quote (bodhitharta @ May 13 2009,13:16) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 13 2009,06:47) Hi BD,
Who is condemning?
Many fine people do lovely things .
It is hoped in God's mercy they will find salvation.But the way is Jesus.
All Muslims believe that Jesus is the way and what's more they realize that God did not send all the other Prophets and messengers for nothing if you don't accept even the least of there you cannot accept Jesus Christ.
Hi BD:Muslims do not believe that Jesus is the Son of God, and so then how can they believe that he is the way?
Love in Christ,
MartyHi BD,
Are we to understand that Jesus Christ is your Lord and Master and your leader is just one of the prophets, less even than John the baptist?Was it prophesied in the sacred Word that he would come 500 years after your lord?
Quote (942767 @ May 13 2009,14:00) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 13 2009,13:16) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 13 2009,06:47) Hi BD,
Who is condemning?
Many fine people do lovely things .
It is hoped in God's mercy they will find salvation.But the way is Jesus.
All Muslims believe that Jesus is the way and what's more they realize that God did not send all the other Prophets and messengers for nothing if you don't accept even the least of there you cannot accept Jesus Christ.
Hi BD:Muslims do not believe that Jesus is the Son of God, and so then how can they believe that he is the way?
Love in Christ,
Marty
I'm glad you asked.The term Son is relational with Christ as Jews have always used the term but in Islam when the book was sent down many erroneously believed that God literally sired a child which of course God did not do. God does not need to reproduce like us so the manner of Christ being begotten was with a word.
(8) (And remember) when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (unto Allah).
11) O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not “Three” – Cease! (it is) better for you! – Allah is only One Allah. Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #171)(14) They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah (himself) said: O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Lo! whoso ascribeth partners unto Allah, for him Allah hath forbidden paradise. His abode is the Fire. For evil-doers there will be no helpers.
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #72)As you can see even the term children of Israel is a term that can be taken to mean literal children by progeny. God does not have Children like a Man does because God is not a Human being and He doesn't have genitals nor does He need to. God is not a Male or a Female as it is stated God made mankind in His image Male and Female He made them in His Image. We call “God” He as a literary device.
Jesus himself said that the heavenly kingdom is not such wherein they marry and such
Matthew 22:29-31 (New King James Version)
29 Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God[a] in heaven.Now obviously in the kingdom of God if they are not married they are not having children yet God does call even the angels “sons” Therefore “sons” should be taken as meaning servants but the romans, greeks and other pagans take the son of God literally so much so that people worship mary in-fact one version of the trinity especially in the day of the Quran was that of The Father, Mary and Jesus as the trinity.
Even today Mary is considered the Queen of Heaven and The Mother of God. The Quran dispels such misunderstandings and clears the beloved Christ and the Honoured Mary of false allegations
(1) And when Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary! Didst thou say unto mankind: Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah? he saith: Be glorified! It was not mine to utter that to which I had no right. If I used to say it, then Thou knewest it. Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy Mind. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Knower of Things Hidden?
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #116)Hi BD,
So if you are reborn from above of the Spirit of God you will be reminded of the words of Jesus who never spoke of your leader?Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 13 2009,14:18) Hi BD,
Are we to understand that Jesus Christ is your Lord and Master and your leader is just one of the prophets, less even than John the baptist?Was it prophesied in the sacred Word that he would come 500 years after your lord?
Luke 9:47-49 (New King James Version)
47 And Jesus, perceiving the thought of their heart, took a little child and set him by Him, 48 and said to them, “Whoever receives this little child in My name receives Me; and whoever receives Me receives Him who sent Me. For he who is least among you all will be great.”49 Now John answered and said, “Master, we saw someone casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow with us.”
50 But Jesus said to him, “Do not forbid him, for he who is not against us[c] is on our[d] side.”Was it not paul who was sent to the gentiles which are now 99% of existing Christianity?
Now, Christianity was supposed to be the progression of Judaism but they did not believe likewise Islam is the same religion preached from the beginning, the same religion Jesus preached to the Jews that they rejected.
Hi BD,
So you do not believe the Spirit of God overshadowed Mary and God was his father?
That excludes some of our bible so have you had to exclude much more?Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 13 2009,14:46) Hi BD,
So if you are reborn from above of the Spirit of God you will be reminded of the words of Jesus who never spoke of your leader?
The Quran is the Spirit of Truth:John 16:11-13 (New King James Version)
11 of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.
12 “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.Hi BD,
No doubt you have stronger evidence?You see the Spirit is one.
The Spirit of truth is also of power and love and knowledge and wisdom and that Spirit is manifested in our books as 2 Peter 1 shows.
The Spirit is not divided to appear AS an extra book
Do you call Jesus your Lord and Master?
If he never mentioned your book would that matter to you?Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 13 2009,14:48) Hi BD,
So you do not believe the Spirit of God overshadowed Mary and God was his father?
That excludes some of our bible so have you had to exclude much more?
(16) And (remember) her who guarded her chastity: We breathed into her of Our spirit, and We made her and her son a sign for all peoples.
( سورة الأنبياء , Al-Anbiya, Chapter #21, Verse #91)2 Behold! the angels said: “O Mary! Allah hath chosen thee and purified thee- chosen thee above the women of all nations.
43 “O Mary! worship Thy Lord devoutly: Prostrate thyself, and bow down (in prayer) with those who bow down.”
44 This is part of the tidings of the things unseen, which We reveal unto thee (O Messenger.) by inspiration: Thou wast not with them when they cast lots with arrows, as to which of them should be charged with the care of Mary: Nor wast thou with them when they disputed (the point).
45 Behold! the angels said: “O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.
46 “He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. And he shall be (of the company) of the righteous.”
47 She said: “O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?” He said: “Even so: Allah createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, 'Be,' and it is!
48 “And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel,
49 “And (appoint him) an apostle to the Children of Israel, (with this message): “'I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah.s leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by Allah.s leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe;
50 “'(I have come to you), to attest the Law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was (Before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah, and obey me.You see the clarity?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 13 2009,14:54) Hi BD,
No doubt you have stronger evidence?You see the Spirit is one.
The Spirit of truth is also of power and love and knowledge and wisdom and that Spirit is manifested in our books as 2 Peter 1 shows.
The Spirit is not divided to appear AS an extra book
Do you call Jesus your Lord and Master?
If he never mentioned your book would that matter to you?
The entire Bible is a compilation of many many books.It probably wouldn't have mattered to me if I had no knowledge of it but then again neither would God have mattered to me without knowledge of Him.
So it is my experience that God does want us to know.
God knew I wanted to know more and that I could approach the Quran with a love for God and that's what I did I picked it up and read it over a weekend and when I did the truth of it brought tears to my eyes and then when I studied the Bible afterwards that too brought tears to my eyes because of the tremendous clarity.
It reminds me of those who only read the NT and in doing so they think only Jesus has raised someone from the dead and they are not aware of Elisha's bones raising a man from the dead.
Did they “need” to know that? probably not, but God made us thirsty to know Him so I enjoy knowing about His relationship with all humanity since the beginning and until the end.
Hi BD,
So Jesus is your Lord and Master and you have dug deep and laid your foundation on his words?
The Foundation stone of Jesus Christ is laid and you passed through the door?
What of these other pretty words?Quote (bodhitharta @ May 13 2009,14:34) Quote (942767 @ May 13 2009,14:00) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 13 2009,13:16) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 13 2009,06:47) Hi BD,
Who is condemning?
Many fine people do lovely things .
It is hoped in God's mercy they will find salvation.But the way is Jesus.
All Muslims believe that Jesus is the way and what's more they realize that God did not send all the other Prophets and messengers for nothing if you don't accept even the least of there you cannot accept Jesus Christ.
Hi BD:Muslims do not believe that Jesus is the Son of God, and so then how can they believe that he is the way?
Love in Christ,
Marty
I'm glad you asked.The term Son is relational with Christ as Jews have always used the term but in Islam when the book was sent down many erroneously believed that God literally sired a child which of course God did not do. God does not need to reproduce like us so the manner of Christ being begotten was with a word.
(8) (And remember) when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (unto Allah).
11) O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not “Three” – Cease! (it is) better for you! – Allah is only One Allah. Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #171)(14) They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah (himself) said: O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Lo! whoso ascribeth partners unto Allah, for him Allah hath forbidden paradise. His abode is the Fire. For evil-doers there will be no helpers.
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #72)As you can see even the term children of Israel is a term that can be taken to mean literal children by progeny. God does not have Children like a Man does because God is not a Human being and He doesn't have genitals nor does He need to. God is not a Male or a Female as it is stated God made mankind in His image Male and Female He made them in His Image. We call “God” He as a literary device.
Jesus himself said that the heavenly kingdom is not such wherein they marry and such
Matthew 22:29-31 (New King James Version)
29 Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God[a] in heaven.Now obviously in the kingdom of God if they are not married they are not having children yet God does call even the angels “sons” Therefore “sons” should be taken as meaning servants but the romans, greeks and other pagans take the son of God literally so much so that people worship mary in-fact one version of the trinity especially in the day of the Quran was that of The Father, Mary and Jesus as the trinity.
Even today Mary is considered the Queen of Heaven and The Mother of God. The Quran dispels such misunderstandings and clears the beloved Christ and the Honoured Mary of false allegations
(1) And when Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary! Didst thou say unto mankind: Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah? he saith: Be glorified! It was not mine to utter that to which I had no right. If I used to say it, then Thou knewest it. Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy Mind. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Knower of Things Hidden?
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #116)
And so,Do Muslims believe the following scriptures which are central to Christianity?
Quote Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Jhn 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Jhn 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.Quote Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.Quote 1Jo 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
1Jo 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.Quote Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. Quote Jhn 14:5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Jhn 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Jhn 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Jhn 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?Quote 1Jo 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Nick Hassan @ May 13 2009,15:09) Hi BD,
So Jesus is your Lord and Master and you have dug deep and laid your foundation on his words?
The Foundation stone of Jesus Christ is laid and you passed through the door?
What of these other pretty words?
Hosea 4:6-7 (King James Version)6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
7 As they were increased, so they sinned against me: therefore will I change their glory into shame.
Quote (942767 @ May 13 2009,15:25) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 13 2009,14:34) Quote (942767 @ May 13 2009,14:00) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 13 2009,13:16) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 13 2009,06:47) Hi BD,
Who is condemning?
Many fine people do lovely things .
It is hoped in God's mercy they will find salvation.But the way is Jesus.
All Muslims believe that Jesus is the way and what's more they realize that God did not send all the other Prophets and messengers for nothing if you don't accept even the least of there you cannot accept Jesus Christ.
Hi BD:Muslims do not believe that Jesus is the Son of God, and so then how can they believe that he is the way?
Love in Christ,
Marty
I'm glad you asked.The term Son is relational with Christ as Jews have always used the term but in Islam when the book was sent down many erroneously believed that God literally sired a child which of course God did not do. God does not need to reproduce like us so the manner of Christ being begotten was with a word.
(8) (And remember) when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (unto Allah).
11) O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not “Three” – Cease! (it is) better for you! – Allah is only One Allah. Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #171)(14) They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah (himself) said: O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Lo! whoso ascribeth partners unto Allah, for him Allah hath forbidden paradise. His abode is the Fire. For evil-doers there will be no helpers.
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #72)As you can see even the term children of Israel is a term that can be taken to mean literal children by progeny. God does not have Children like a Man does because God is not a Human being and He doesn't have genitals nor does He need to. God is not a Male or a Female as it is stated God made mankind in His image Male and Female He made them in His Image. We call “God” He as a literary device.
Jesus himself said that the heavenly kingdom is not such wherein they marry and such
Matthew 22:29-31 (New King James Version)
29 Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God[a] in heaven.Now obviously in the kingdom of God if they are not married they are not having children yet God does call even the angels “sons” Therefore “sons” should be taken as meaning servants but the romans, greeks and other pagans take the son of God literally so much so that people worship mary in-fact one version of the trinity especially in the day of the Quran was that of The Father, Mary and Jesus as the trinity.
Even today Mary is considered the Queen of Heaven and The Mother of God. The Quran dispels such misunderstandings and clears the beloved Christ and the Honoured Mary of false allegations
(1) And when Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary! Didst thou say unto mankind: Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah? he saith: Be glorified! It was not mine to utter that to which I had no right. If I used to say it, then Thou knewest it. Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy Mind. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Knower of Things Hidden?
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #116)
And so,Do Muslims believe the following scriptures which are central to Christianity?
Quote Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Jhn 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Jhn 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.Quote Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.Quote 1Jo 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
1Jo 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.Quote Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the
which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.Quote Jhn 14:5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Jhn 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Jhn 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Jhn 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?Quote 1Jo 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Love in Christ,
Marty
I have no problem with us discussing this but you should come from the guidance of the Holy Spirit and not just a massive posting which are not responces based on knowledge.The Fact is the Quran does call Jesus THE CHRIST and therefore by your own admission is not lying.
Also, Christianity has many doctrines competing so I would want to please God Almighty and not “Christianity”. God is not a Christian, a Jew or a Muslim.
For instance you may believe that Jesus is God and to you that may mean that Jesus is The Father or to you it might mean you believe in the trinity of 3 persons 1 God.
But Judaism teaches about God a certain way and so does Islam and both of those ways are not the same as those called FOOLISH by God as would be the Foolish Nation that would be converted an anger Israel.
Hio BD,
Is your leader anointed with the Spirit of Christ?
Did it manifest in wondrous healings and works of power?
Is love the most evident fruit among his followers through history?Quote (bodhitharta @ May 13 2009,15:29) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 13 2009,15:09) Hi BD,
So Jesus is your Lord and Master and you have dug deep and laid your foundation on his words?
The Foundation stone of Jesus Christ is laid and you passed through the door?
What of these other pretty words?
Hosea 4:6-7 (King James Version)6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
7 As they were increased, so they sinned against me: therefore will I change their glory into shame.
Hi BD,
These are not the words of your 'prophet' but of the Spirit of Christ. In what way can you know that 'knowledge' gained from your writings is of God?Some knowledge is not of God.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 13 2009,15:41) Hio BD,
Is your leader anointed with the Spirit of Christ?
Did it manifest in wondrous healings and works of power?
Is love the most evident fruit among his followers through history?
Followers of all religions have a mixture of evident fruit and evident evilPeople claiming Christianity have been extremely brutal throughout history just keep in mind that even the KKK considers themselves a Christian organization and Hitler thought he was doing the work of the Lord and was very close to the Christian Church
Evil people can belong to any group. Also not everything you think is evil is evil.
Remember the Amalekites and the many verses that are like this:
Deuteronomy 12:2-4 (King James Version)
2Ye shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the nations which ye shall possess served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree:
3And ye shall overthrow their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of them out of that place.
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