Worshipping Jesus

[NickHassan]

Hi E,
Since you know and love scripture so much why did you fall prey to such a simple mistake?

You say
” I just read what the Scripture and it is written that God is one, and yet is says that Jesus is God and the Holy Spirit is God, and thus, for believers, there should be one God in 3 persons, eg the Trinity.”

[epistemaniac]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 29 2009,06:41)

Hi E, You stumble over your theology. Keep it simple. God is one.   Jesus Christ is the Son of that God.

Nick, you stumble over your theology. And make no mistake about it, you, Irene, t8, everyone here, has a “theology”. The word “theology” simply means…

“the·ol·o·gy (th-l-j)
n. pl. the·ol·o·gies
1. The study of the nature of God and religious truth; rational inquiry into religious questions.”

Keep it simple.

God is one.

The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all called God.

Therefore God is the Father Son and Holy Spirit.

The doctrine of the Trinity teaches this.

Therefore the doctrine of the Trinity is true.

His being the Son of God DOES NOT mean He that He cannot therefore be also more than this. Simple stuff really.

blessings,
ken

[epistemaniac]

bodi, let me ask you, do you have the Spirit of Christ in you?

blessings,
ken

[epistemaniac]

bodi, you say

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As far as access to divinity is concerned if Someone prays to the Father and a divine thing occurs does this person not have access to the divine? Didn't Jesus say that the Father does all the works through Jesus and Jesus said he could do nothing on his own?

If you think that your asking something in prayer makes you of the same type of divinity as the Son, you are in for a rude awakening. Furthermore, the bible directly calls Jesus “God”. Do you think that you are “God” in the same way that Jesus is?

blessings,
ken

[NickHassan]

Hi E,
You say
“The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all called God.

Therefore God is the Father Son and Holy Spirit.”

This does not seem facile reasoning to you?

[NickHassan]

Hi E,
1Cor8
4As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.

5For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

6But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

For us God is the Father.
Join us and abhor idols.

[NickHassan]

Hi E,
Do you have a mediator between you and your trinity God?

[NickHassan]

Hi E,
You say
“The doctrine of the Trinity teaches this.

Therefore the doctrine of the Trinity is true.”

Is this the true depth of your wisdom?

[epistemaniac]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 29 2009,07:37)

Hi E, You say “The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all called God. Therefore God is the Father Son and Holy Spirit.” This does not seem facile reasoning to you?

Facile? Why yes Nick lol… it does seem… facile…

Facile means:
“Done or achieved with little effort or difficulty; easy.
Working, acting, or speaking with effortless ease and fluency.”

The doctrine of the Trinity is, in a sense… fitting of this definition.

Of course you may mean to use the term in its rather more negative connotations …. and in that sense…. no would be the answer….

thanks for asking though lol

blessings,
ken

[epistemaniac]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 29 2009,07:39)

Hi E, 1Cor8 4As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. 5For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 6But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. For us God is the Father. Join us and abhor idols.

For me, God is Father, and God is one. Jesus and the Holy Spirit are, likewise God, but they are not three gods, but one God in 3 persons. But then, you already knew that, didn't you? What is Jesus to you Nick? Is He a false god?

blessings,
ken

[NickHassan]

Hi E,
You can make anything or anyone into an Idol.
” But for us there is one God, the Father…”

Are you one of US?

[epistemaniac]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 29 2009,07:46)

Hi E, Do you have a mediator between you and your trinity God?

My mediator is the man Jesus Christ…. it also just so happens that Jesus is also a member of the Trinity. Turns out it is necessary for God to act as mediator, as only God could satisfy the necessary requirements for a holy and perfect sacrifice. As it turns out, Jesus is God. Works out just perfectly. Hence Anselm asked, “Curs Deus Homo?” or quite literally,”Why the God-man?”, that is, “Why the incarnation?” Why? because it was necessary for God to become a man in order to satisfy His own just requirements of the Law, only God could be the perfect sacrifice, only God could bear the weight of the sins of the world, etc etc and thus, that one mediator is both God and the man Jesus of Nazareth. But then, you knew that already, didn't you?

blessings,
ken

[epistemaniac]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 29 2009,07:48)

Hi E, You say “The doctrine of the Trinity teaches this. Therefore the doctrine of the Trinity is true.” Is this the true depth of your wisdom?

N,

You deny the doctrine of the Trinity.

Is that the depth of your wisdom?

I profess no wisdom of my own, but only that which is based on the Word of God. If you prefer man-made traditions and vain philosophies, that is between you and God.

Do you prefer these philosophies and traditions of men to the word of God Nick?

blessings,
ken

[NickHassan]

Hi E,
Is your god a man?
Was God in this man?

[NickHassan]

Quote (epistemaniac @ April 29 2009,08:48)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 29 2009,07:48) Hi E, You say “The doctrine of the Trinity teaches this. Therefore the doctrine of the Trinity is true.” Is this the true depth of your wisdom? N, You deny the doctrine of the Trinity. Is that the depth of your wisdom? I profess no wisdom of my own, but only that which is based on the Word of God. If you prefer man-made traditions and vain philosophies, that is between you and God. Do you prefer these philosophies and traditions of men to the word of God Nick? blessings, ken

Hi E,
I believe the scriptures.
No scriptural teacher taught trinity.
Should I therefore believe it or should I not?
Would doing so not show I do not care what scripture teaches?

[NickHassan]

Hi E,
You say
“I profess no wisdom of my own, but only that which is based on the Word of God.”

Fine words but where is this trinity god taught by Jesus or the apostles or prophets?

[epistemaniac]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 29 2009,08:33)

Hi E, You can make anything or anyone into an Idol. ” But for us there is one God, the Father…” Are you one of US?

“Us”

I am not an “us” in the sense that I would identify myself as being associated with you or anyone like you who denies the Trinity.

However, in the biblical sense of the term, for me, there is one God. However, this verse is not the entire biblical testimony concerning the truth of who God is. As is the case with anti – trinitarians, they want to proof text their way around the bible, conveniently ignoring all the scriptures that contradict their position, and assumes that a verse like this which affirms what Trinitarians affirm, namely that there is one God, somehow denies the doctrine of the Trinity. It doesn't.

blessings,
ken

[NickHassan]

Hi E,
Where is this additional testimony that no scripture teacher gave us from the mouth of God?

[NickHassan]

Quote (epistemaniac @ April 29 2009,09:06)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 29 2009,08:33) Hi E, You can make anything or anyone into an Idol. ” But for us there is one God, the Father…” Are you one of US? “Us” I am not an “us” in the sense that I would identify myself as being associated with you or anyone like you who denies the Trinity. However, in the biblical sense of the term, for me, there is one God. However, this verse is not the entire biblical testimony concerning the truth of who God is. As is the case with anti – trinitarians, they want to proof text their way around the bible, conveniently ignoring all the scriptures that contradict their position, and assumes that a verse like this which affirms what Trinitarians affirm, namely that there is one God, somehow denies the doctrine of the Trinity. It doesn't. blessings, ken

Hi E,
So to be one with you as one of the US Paul refers to in 1 Cor8, the US who believe the Father is their God and Jesus is their Lord, we must also believe in a trinity??

ummm

[Cindy]

Hi E I too do not belief in the doctrine of the trinity any more. If you believe in the Bible, I can prove to you that there is no trinity.
In Jesus own words ” My Father is greater then I. Also in

Ephesians 4: 6 it says that the Father is above all…….I think you make the mistake in believing it, because of John 1:1. But if you know that God is a title, all becomes clear. God has a name, Jehovah.

Also we are of the Family of Gd, so the title is the Family of God. Why is that so hard to believe? Or is it your pride that overshadows all.

Peace and Love Irene

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