Will the earth and the heavens melt

[2besee]

Wakeup,
Anti Christ – in place if Christ – world deceiver – man of lawlessness – call it what you want. But this man of lawlessness will most likely fool the whole world to be believe he is the Messiah returned, and it could possibly be America trying to win a third world war and control the out of control world by creating a diversion, a delusion – a false return of Christ. And, if you think that's a joke – and impossible – most of the world today are already being deceived, did you know that? That is if you believe in subliminal messages and spirits hidden, brainwashing, through music, television, the internet, games… HAARP, secret government projects – you name it.
Antichrist will work miracles, control the weather, etc, etc. and in the end will set up an image which speaks.

But those who truly know God, and know what Jesus said, and believe him, and go to him for guidance, rather than relying on their own minds and emotions, will not be deceived, but will be deeply troubled, as only those not deceived can see what is REALLY happening around them. And as they love people, this will be torture to their hearts.

[Wakeup]

2Besee.

There is no doubt in my mind that HE (false prophet )is coming,and will deceive the whole world.
He will perform great miracles to deceive.

But he is not identified in scripture as the antichrist,
but the FALSE PROPHET.
I dont understand WHY; the christian world call him the antichrist? Is this to confuse?
He is of course anti christ,and anti God;but he is CALLED
the FALSE PROPHET; not the antichrist.

All non christian jews are antichrist.

wakeup.

[2besee]

Wakeup,
I will have to study more before I comment.

The second beast is a nation/kingdom, yes?
It sets up an image, that speaks and does miracles.
The man of lawlessness has to be that deceiver, yes?

America (apparently) experimented with some kind of suggestive voice in the Iraq invasion, which commanded Muslims to surrender, as Allah.

Hollywood can recreate even a dead person as a hologram. Tupac, for example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v….desktop

I'm too tired for my brain to think any further right now.

[Wakeup]

Quote (2besee @ Oct. 26 2013,20:41)

Wakeup, I will have to study more before I comment. The second beast is a nation/kingdom, yes? It sets up an image, that speaks and does miracles. The man of lawlessness has to be that deceiver, yes? America (apparently) experimented with some kind of suggestive voice in the Iraq invasion, which commanded Muslims to surrender, as Allah. Hollywood can recreate even a dead person as a hologram. Tupac, for example. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v….desktop I'm too tired for my brain to think any further right now.

The beast that came out of the earth,
with two horns is the false prophet.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

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This is deep knowledge. It can only be given by the holy spirit. The whole plan of God is not explained to us easily, for God wants us to “search” the scriptures, here a little, there a little, till a picture is formed, revealing God's plan. This is how knowledge comes.

if this is true how come so many are convinced in their interpretation of being of the truth and yet are breaking so many scriptures

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 25 2013,08:09)

2Besee. There is no doubt in my mind that HE (false prophet )is coming,and will deceive the whole world. He will perform great miracles to deceive. But he is not identified in scripture as the antichrist, but the FALSE PROPHET. I dont understand WHY; the christian world call him the antichrist? Is this to confuse? He is of course anti christ,and anti God;but he is CALLED the FALSE PROPHET; not the antichrist. All non christian jews are antichrist. wakeup.

Superstition.

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 27 2013,04:08)

Quote This is deep knowledge.  It can only be given by the holy spirit.  The whole plan of God is not explained to us easily, for God wants us to “search” the scriptures, here a little, there a little, till a picture is formed, revealing God's plan.  This is how knowledge comes. if this is true how come so many are convinced in their interpretation of being of the truth and yet are breaking so many scriptures

Terra.

There are many claiming to have the truth.
But when confronted with the scriptures,
one can see the lies.
They know some of the truth,but not the whole truth.

wakeup.

[Wakeup]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Oct. 27 2013,06:23)

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 25 2013,08:09) 2Besee. There is no doubt in my mind that HE (false prophet )is coming,and will deceive the whole world. He will perform great miracles to deceive. But he is not identified in scripture as the antichrist, but the FALSE PROPHET. I dont understand WHY; the christian world call him the antichrist? Is this to confuse? He is of course anti christ,and anti God;but he is CALLED the FALSE PROPHET; not the antichrist. All non christian jews are antichrist. wakeup. Superstition.

Kjack.

You are calling scripture superstition?

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the
**false prophet that wrought miracles before him**,
with which
**he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast**,
and them that
**worshipped his image**.
These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 27 2013,01:57)

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 27 2013,04:08) Quote This is deep knowledge.  It can only be given by the holy spirit.  The whole plan of God is not explained to us easily, for God wants us to “search” the scriptures, here a little, there a little, till a picture is formed, revealing God's plan.  This is how knowledge comes. if this is true how come so many are convinced in their interpretation of being of the truth and yet are breaking so many scriptures Terra. There are many claiming to have the truth. But when confronted with the scriptures, one can see the lies. They know some of the truth,but not the whole truth. wakeup.

W

like YOU WITH THE “WORD OF GOD ” AND THE BELIEVE THAT CHRIST DID NOT PREEXISTED AS AN BEING (GOD'S ONLY BEGOTTEN SON) WHEN SCRIPTURES SAYS “NO MAN CAN SAVE ANOTHER OR PAY RANSOM FOR HIS LIFE “

AND SO TWISTING PAUL'S WORDS IN ;
Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.
Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,

but rather make up a man made story and so change the truth of God,

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 27 2013,07:33)

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 27 2013,01:57) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 27 2013,04:08) Quote This is deep knowledge.  It can only be given by the holy spirit.  The whole plan of God is not explained to us easily, for God wants us to “search” the scriptures, here a little, there a little, till a picture is formed, revealing God's plan.  This is how knowledge comes. if this is true how come so many are convinced in their interpretation of being of the truth and yet are breaking so many scriptures Terra. There are many claiming to have the truth. But when confronted with the scriptures, one can see the lies. They know some of the truth,but not the whole truth. wakeup. W like YOU WITH THE “WORD OF GOD ” AND THE BELIEVE THAT CHRIST DID NOT PREEXISTED AS AN BEING (GOD'S ONLY BEGOTTEN SON) WHEN SCRIPTURES SAYS “NO MAN CAN SAVE ANOTHER OR PAY RANSOM FOR HIS LIFE “ AND SO TWISTING PAUL'S WORDS IN ; Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, but rather make up a man made story and so change the truth of God,

Terra.

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Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. Col

.

*IF* HE IS THE FIRST BORN IN HEAVEN,
THEN WHO CREATED HIM??

FOR BY HIM ALL THINGS WERE CREATED:
THINGS IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH,
VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE.(ALL THINGS).

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Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and ***the firstborn from among the dead***, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him

HE IS THE FIRST BORN FROM THE DEAD IS THE ANSWER.
THE FIRST **BORN AGAIN** PERSON.
HE WAS NOT BORN IN HEAVEN;BUT BROUGHT FORTH.
FROM INSIDE GOD, TO THE OUTSIDE OF GOD.

WHEN HE WAS INSIDE GOD:JOHN SAID:
AND HE *WAS GOD*.
WHEN HE WAS OUTSIDE GOD:JOHN SAID:
AND THE WORD WAS *WITH GOD*.

IT SURELY IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU HAVE TAUGHT
YOURSELF. CORRECT SCRIPTURE INTERPRETATION WILL CORRECT FALSE DOCTRINE.
BUT ONLY IF YOU DEPEND ON THE SCRIPTURES,AND BELIEVE IN THE SCRIPTURES.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

w

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*IF* HE IS THE FIRST BORN IN HEAVEN, THEN WHO CREATED HIM??

why you ask do you not believe scriptures

even though you say ; BUT ONLY IF YOU DEPEND ON THE SCRIPTURES,AND BELIEVE IN THE SCRIPTURES.;

but you put Paul words in doubt,???

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 27 2013,14:03)

w Quote *IF* HE IS THE FIRST BORN IN HEAVEN, THEN WHO CREATED HIM?? why you ask do you not believe scriptures even though you say ; BUT ONLY IF YOU DEPEND ON THE SCRIPTURES,AND BELIEVE IN THE SCRIPTURES.; but you put Paul words in doubt,???

My question to Terra is:

If the Word was created, or born in heaven;
Then what paul is saying would be contradictory.
For he said that *all* is created by the Word.
Things seen and unseen. John said:
Without him was nothing made that was made.
This is my question to Terra,not my statement to Terra.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 27 2013,09:35)

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 27 2013,14:03) w Quote *IF* HE IS THE FIRST BORN IN HEAVEN, THEN WHO CREATED HIM?? why you ask do you not believe scriptures even though you say ; BUT ONLY IF YOU DEPEND ON THE SCRIPTURES,AND BELIEVE IN THE SCRIPTURES.; but you put Paul words in doubt,??? My question to Terra is: If the Word was created, or born in heaven; Then what paul is saying would be contradictory. For he said that *all* is created by the Word. Things seen and unseen.  John said: Without him was nothing made that was made. This is my question to Terra,not my statement to Terra. wakeup.

W

Christ is the first creation /born/bring forth ,of God almighty the creator,
Scriptures say that all things where created through Christ the only begotten son of God,this is also why Christ his the image of his father,We are not the true image of God but Christ is ,

And Christ his first created and he his the only one that as ever seen God,and we're in heaven Christ was created must have been where God almighty resided ,in the highest heaven,

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 27 2013,14:59)

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 27 2013,09:35) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 27 2013,14:03) w Quote *IF* HE IS THE FIRST BORN IN HEAVEN, THEN WHO CREATED HIM?? why you ask do you not believe scriptures even though you say ; BUT ONLY IF YOU DEPEND ON THE SCRIPTURES,AND BELIEVE IN THE SCRIPTURES.; but you put Paul words in doubt,??? My question to Terra is: If the Word was created, or born in heaven; Then what paul is saying would be contradictory. For he said that *all* is created by the Word. Things seen and unseen.  John said: Without him was nothing made that was made. This is my question to Terra,not my statement to Terra. wakeup. W Christ is the first creation /born/bring forth ,of God almighty the creator, Scriptures say that all things where created through Christ the only begotten son of God,this is also why Christ his the image of his father,We are not the true image of God but Christ is , And Christ his first created and he his the only one that as ever seen God,and we're in heaven Christ was created must have been where God almighty resided ,in the highest heaven,

Terra.

My question:

Was God ever *without* his Word?
Before he created his Word?

wakeup.

[Proclaimer]

Wakeup. The logos is in God and was with God.

If God begat another, it did not lessen God at all.

If God is true and Jesus is true, then God is not less true because Jesus is true.

Some second-century fathers put it like this. When one torch (fire) lights another, it does not take away or lessen the first torch. Likewise the Word that was with God was the first work of the Father. It did not lessen the word that was in him.

Anyway, this is probably off topic somewhat.

[Wakeup]

Quote (t8 @ Oct. 27 2013,21:06)

Wakeup. The logos is in God and was with God. If God begat another, it did not lessen God at all. If God is true and Jesus is true, then God is not less true because Jesus is true. Some second-century fathers put it like this. When one torch (fire) lights another, it does not take away or lessen the first torch. Likewise the Word that was with God was the first work of the Father. It did not lessen the word that was in him. Anyway, this is probably off topic somewhat.

T8.

1.Was there a time when God was Wordless?

2. If God created his Word;that would cancel out
Johns saying; that without the Word was nothing made that was made. All things was made by him, and for him.
Things seen and unseen.

3.His Word is from everlasting.(Isaiah 9:6).
How can this be;when all that is created has a beginning.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 27 2013,09:35)

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 27 2013,14:03) w Quote *IF* HE IS THE FIRST BORN IN HEAVEN, THEN WHO CREATED HIM?? why you ask do you not believe scriptures even though you say ; BUT ONLY IF YOU DEPEND ON THE SCRIPTURES,AND BELIEVE IN THE SCRIPTURES.; but you put Paul words in doubt,??? My question to Terra is: If the Word was created, or born in heaven; Then what paul is saying would be contradictory. For he said that *all* is created by the Word. Things seen and unseen.  John said: Without him was nothing made that was made. This is my question to Terra,not my statement to Terra. wakeup.

w

Isaia; 1;20 ……./For the mouth of the LORD has spoken.

GOD DID NOT CREATED HIS WORDS ,BECAUSE HE HAD “A MOUTH” TO SPEAK THEM ,SO AT NO TIME WOULD HE NEED TO CREATE WORDS ,BUT AS SCRIPTURES SAYS :THE WORD OF GOD ” CREATED IN THE BEGINNING IS HIS SON THE SPOKESMAN OF CREATION,AND IT IS HIM THAT CAME DOWN TO EARTH TO SAVE MEN FROM HIS SINS,THIS IS WHAT PAUL EXPLAIN IN HIS LETTER TO THE COLOSIANS .

Col 1:13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves,
Col 1:14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.
Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,
Col 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

IF YOU WANT TO BELIEVE IT THOSE SCRIPTURES TELLS WHAT WAS IN THE BEGINNING AND ALSO WHY CHRIST IS THE END ,

Rev 19:13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God.

Rev 22:7 “Behold, I am coming soon! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy in this book.”

Rev 22:12 “Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done.
Rev 22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

THE VERDICT REMAINS THE SAME

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2013,03:18)

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 27 2013,09:35) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 27 2013,14:03) w Quote *IF* HE IS THE FIRST BORN IN HEAVEN, THEN WHO CREATED HIM?? why you ask do you not believe scriptures even though you say ; BUT ONLY IF YOU DEPEND ON THE SCRIPTURES,AND BELIEVE IN THE SCRIPTURES.; but you put Paul words in doubt,??? My question to Terra is: If the Word was created, or born in heaven; Then what paul is saying would be contradictory. For he said that *all* is created by the Word. Things seen and unseen.  John said: Without him was nothing made that was made. This is my question to Terra,not my statement to Terra. wakeup. w Isaia; 1;20 ……./For the mouth of the LORD has spoken. GOD DID NOT CREATED HIS WORDS ,BECAUSE HE HAD “A MOUTH” TO SPEAK THEM ,SO AT NO TIME WOULD HE NEED TO CREATE WORDS ,BUT AS SCRIPTURES SAYS :THE WORD OF GOD ” CREATED IN THE BEGINNING IS HIS SON THE SPOKESMAN OF CREATION,AND IT IS HIM THAT CAME DOWN TO EARTH TO SAVE MEN FROM HIS SINS,THIS IS WHAT PAUL EXPLAIN IN HIS LETTER TO THE COLOSIANS . Col 1:13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, Col 1:14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, Col 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross. IF YOU WANT TO BELIEVE IT THOSE SCRIPTURES TELLS WHAT WAS IN THE BEGINNING AND ALSO WHY CHRIST IS THE END , Rev 19:13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. Rev 22:7 “Behold, I am coming soon! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy in this book.” Rev 22:12 “Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. Rev 22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. THE VERDICT REMAINS THE SAME

Terra.

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GOD DID NOT CREATED HIS WORDS ,BECAUSE HE HAD “A MOUTH” TO SPEAK THEM , **SO AT NO TIME WOULD HE NEED TO CREATE WORDS **, BUT AS SCRIPTURES SAYS : THE WORD OF GOD ” **CREATED **IN THE BEGINNING IS HIS SON THE SPOKESMAN OF CREATION**,

You said that the Word Of God in the beginning
created his Son the spokesman of creation.

So was the Word of God in the beginning his Son?
Please answer this question.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 28 2013,12:06)

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2013,03:18) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 27 2013,09:35) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 27 2013,14:03) w Quote *IF* HE IS THE FIRST BORN IN HEAVEN, THEN WHO CREATED HIM?? why you ask do you not believe scriptures even though you say ; BUT ONLY IF YOU DEPEND ON THE SCRIPTURES,AND BELIEVE IN THE SCRIPTURES.; but you put Paul words in doubt,??? My question to Terra is: If the Word was created, or born in heaven; Then what paul is saying would be contradictory. For he said that *all* is created by the Word. Things seen and unseen.  John said: Without him was nothing made that was made. This is my question to Terra,not my statement to Terra. wakeup. w Isaia; 1;20 ……./For the mouth of the LORD has spoken. GOD DID NOT CREATED HIS WORDS ,BECAUSE HE HAD “A MOUTH” TO SPEAK THEM ,SO AT NO TIME WOULD HE NEED TO CREATE WORDS ,BUT AS SCRIPTURES SAYS :THE WORD OF GOD ” CREATED IN THE BEGINNING IS HIS SON THE SPOKESMAN OF CREATION,AND IT IS HIM THAT CAME DOWN TO EARTH TO SAVE MEN FROM HIS SINS,THIS IS WHAT PAUL EXPLAIN IN HIS LETTER TO THE COLOSIANS . Col 1:13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, Col 1:14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, Col 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross. IF YOU WANT TO BELIEVE IT THOSE SCRIPTURES TELLS WHAT WAS IN THE BEGINNING AND ALSO WHY CHRIST IS THE END , Rev 19:13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. Rev 22:7 “Behold, I am coming soon! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy in this book.” Rev 22:12 “Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. Rev 22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. THE VERDICT REMAINS THE SAME Terra. Quote GOD DID NOT CREATED HIS WORDS ,BECAUSE HE HAD “A MOUTH” TO SPEAK THEM , **SO AT NO TIME WOULD HE NEED TO CREATE WORDS **, BUT AS SCRIPTURES SAYS : THE WORD OF GOD ” **CREATED **IN THE BEGINNING IS HIS SON THE SPOKESMAN OF CREATION**, You said that the Word Of God in the beginning created his Son the spokesman of creation. So was the Word of God in the beginning his Son? Please answer this question. wakeup.

W

Yes,the WORD in John 1:1
his Christ the son of God almighty

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2013,17:12)

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 28 2013,12:06) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2013,03:18) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 27 2013,09:35) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 27 2013,14:03) w Quote *IF* HE IS THE FIRST BORN IN HEAVEN, THEN WHO CREATED HIM?? why you ask do you not believe scriptures even though you say ; BUT ONLY IF YOU DEPEND ON THE SCRIPTURES,AND BELIEVE IN THE SCRIPTURES.; but you put Paul words in doubt,??? My question to Terra is: If the Word was created, or born in heaven; Then what paul is saying would be contradictory. For he said that *all* is created by the Word. Things seen and unseen.  John said: Without him was nothing made that was made. This is my question to Terra,not my statement to Terra. wakeup. w Isaia; 1;20 ……./For the mouth of the LORD has spoken. GOD DID NOT CREATED HIS WORDS ,BECAUSE HE HAD “A MOUTH” TO SPEAK THEM ,SO AT NO TIME WOULD HE NEED TO CREATE WORDS ,BUT AS SCRIPTURES SAYS :THE WORD OF GOD ” CREATED IN THE BEGINNING IS HIS SON THE SPOKESMAN OF CREATION,AND IT IS HIM THAT CAME DOWN TO EARTH TO SAVE MEN FROM HIS SINS,THIS IS WHAT PAUL EXPLAIN IN HIS LETTER TO THE COLOSIANS . Col 1:13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, Col 1:14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, Col 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross. IF YOU WANT TO BELIEVE IT THOSE SCRIPTURES TELLS WHAT WAS IN THE BEGINNING AND ALSO WHY CHRIST IS THE END , Rev 19:13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. Rev 22:7 “Behold, I am coming soon! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy in this book.” Rev 22:12 “Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. Rev 22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. THE VERDICT REMAINS THE SAME Terra. Quote GOD DID NOT CREATED HIS WORDS ,BECAUSE HE HAD “A MOUTH” TO SPEAK THEM , **SO AT NO TIME WOULD HE NEED TO CREATE WORDS **, BUT AS SCRIPTURES SAYS : THE WORD OF GOD ” **CREATED **IN THE BEGINNING IS HIS SON THE SPOKESMAN OF CREATION**, You said that the Word Of God in the beginning created his Son the spokesman of creation. So was the Word of God in the beginning his Son? Please answer this question. wakeup. W Yes,the WORD in John 1:1 his Christ the son of God almighty

Terra.

Was the Word not made flesh first by birth?
And named Jesus?

Or was He his Son from the beginning?

wakeup.

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