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  • #356457
    Wakeup
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    HOLDING FAST TO A DOCTRINE FULL OF CONTRADICTIONS IS HOLDING FAST TO NOTHING..

    2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

    Peter is not wrong;its just that most are lacking knowledge.

    BY JUST READING THIS ONE VERSE WE'LL GET A PICTURE OF THE EARTH MELTING AT THE COMING,BUT WE NEED TO FIT IT IN THE PUZZLE. THE ONE VERSE NEED TO BE IN HARMONY WITH THE REST OF SCRIPTURES.THIS IS ONE TRICK, FOR THE SEEKERS TO PUT IT IN THE RIGHT PLACE OF THE WHOLE PICTURE.

    1.THE LORD WILL COME AS A THIEF IN THE NIGHT.
    PETER *DID NOT* EXPLAIN THAT THE LORD WILL
    *ONLY* COME AS A THIEF, TO THOSE THAT ARE *ASLEEP*;NOT TO THEM THAT ARE AWAKE.THE THIEF WILL COME WHEN YOU ARE ASLEEP;SO WATCH,DONT SLUMBER.

    BY UNDERSTANDING THE PROPHESIES ONE CAN TELL
    EXACTLY WHEN THE COMING WILL BE.YES EXACTLY.

    2.THE EARTH AND THE HEAVENS WILL MELT WITH
    FERVENT HEAT. PETER WAS NOT VERY SPECIFIC HERE.
    HE WAS JUST TELLING US THE OVERALL PICTURE.
    WE NEED TO FIT IT IN THE RIGHT PLACE OF THE BIG
    PICTURE;THE PUZZLE MUST FIT IN THE BIG PICTURE
    WITHOUT *ANY DISTORTIONS*.

    A).IF THE EARTH WILL MELT AT THE COMING;THEN THERE WILL BE NO NEED FOR THE WAR OF ARMGEDDON.
    (REV.19). **ANOTHER CONTRADICTION**.

    B). IF THE EARTH WILL MELT AT THE COMING;THEN THERE IS NO NEED TO PUT SATAN IN PRISON. *OK*; YOU WILL SAY THAT SATAN WAS IN PRISON, AND IS JUST RELEASED IN THE PAST FEW YEARS;AND IS NOW FREE. AND WILL BE DESTROYED AT THE COMING.

    READ REV19:20. SATAN WILL NOT BE CAST IN THE FIRE.
    ONLY THE BEAST AND THE FALSE PROPHET ARE CAST IN THE FIRE;**SO HERE AGAIN IS YOUR CONTRADICTION**.

    C). IF THE EARTH WILL MELT AT THE COMING;THEN THERE IS NO NEED FOR THE SECOND RESURRECTION,
    BECAUSE ALL IS DONE WITH;JOB DONE;FINISH;END.
    WE HAVE A NEW EARTH.
    **ANOTHER OF YOUR CONTRADICTION**.

    D). IF THE EARTH WILL MELT AT THE SECOND COMING;THEN THERE WILL BE NO NEED FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF THE CITIES OF THE NATIONS.(REV16:19). AND THERE IS NO NEED TO DEVIDE THE GREAT CITY IN THREE PARTS.
    ONLY THE CITIES WILL BE DESTROYED;NOT THE EARTH NOR THE HEAVENS.**HERE IS ANOTHER OF YOUR CONTRADICTION**.

    THE PROPHESIES ARE CLEAR; SATAN AND HIS ANGELS WILL BE DESTROYED AFTER THE WAR OF GOG AND MAGOG.(REV20:8).

    (REV20:10)THE DEVIL THAT DECEIVED THEM WAS CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE,**WHERE THE BEAST AND THE FALSE PROPHET ARE**.(THE BEAST AND THE FALSE PROPHET WERE CAST INTO THE FIRE 1000YRS BEFORE SATAN.(AT THE COMING).

    WE SHOULD NOT LIVE A SPIRITUAL LIFE WITH FULL OF CONTRADICTIONS.FOR THIS IS PROOF THAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN SEEKING. WE HAVE BEEN SLUMBERING.

    GOD IS WITH US,AND NO EVIL CAN COME TO US ATTITUDE.THIS IS WHAT THEY PREACH IN THE CHURCHES: OH YES;GREAT EVIL WILL COME TO YOU,UNLESS YOU FOLLOW THE LAMB WHERESOEVER HE GOES.

    wakeup.

    #359891
    2besee
    Participant

    Carried from another conversation.

    The early church did not believe that God
    would be behind a future re-gathering of
    the Jews to Israel. To the contrary they
    believed “the antichrist” would be behind a
    future regathering of the Jews to Israel.
    They all agreed on this.
    Here’s some examples..

    “Christ arose from
    among the Hebrews, and he (Antichrist) will spring from among the Jews. Christ showed His flesh as a Temple, and raised it up on the third day; and he, too, will raise up again the Temple of stone in Jerusalem.” (St. Hippolytus)

    “In every respect that Deceiver seeks to
    make himself appear like the Son of God. Christ is king of things celestial and terrestrial, and Antichrist will be king upon earth. The Saviour sent the Apostles unto all the nations, and he, in like manner will send
    false apostles. Christ gathered together the
    dispersed sheep, and he in like manner will
    gather together the dispersed people of the
    Hebrews. Christ appeared in the form of
    man, and he in like manner will come forth
    in the form of man.” (Hippolytus)

    “Antichrist will rule the world from Jerusalem, which he will make into a magnificent city.” (St. Anselm)

    “He will call together the whole people to
    himself, out of every country of the Dispersion, making them his own, as though
    they were his own children, and promising
    to restore their country and establish again
    their kingdom and nation, in order that he may be worshipped by them as God.” (St.
    Hippolytus)

    Antichrist will heal the sick, raise the dead,
    restore sight to the blind, hearing to the
    deaf, speech to the dumb, raises storms and
    calms them, re-names mountains, make
    trees blossom and wither at a word, re-build the temple of Jerusalem, and make Jerusalem
    the capital city of the world with the vast
    wealth of hidden treasures.” (Rabanus Maurus)

    These days shall run their course rapidly; and the kingdom of the Deceiver and Antichrist shall be promptly removed. And then, finally, in the twinkling of an eye shall the fashion of
    this world pass away, and the power of men
    shall be brought to naught, and all visible things shall be destroyed.” (St. Hippolytus)

    Why are so many Christians today, teaching
    that God is the one who is regathering the
    Jews to Israel – and that there will be a
    temporary one thousand years in which
    Jesus rules from Jerusalem?
    Watch out for false prophets.
    “Do not go out – do not believe them”,
    Jesus said.

    …………………….

    “Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
    “You will know them by their fruits.
    Grapes are not gathered from
    thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are
    they?

    “So every good tree bears good fruit, but
    the bad tree bears bad fruit.
    “A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor
    can a bad tree produce good fruit.
    “Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
    “So then, you will know them by their fruits.”

    #359892
    2besee
    Participant

    Terraricca said

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    I wander were in scriptures it says this ???
    this is all news to me

    It's in the early writings of the church.
    2nd or 3rd century.

    #359894
    2besee
    Participant

    And yes, Wakeup.
    The Earth will be destroyed with fire at the second coming of Jesus, because that is what scripture says.

    #359895
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (2besee @ Oct. 22 2013,09:07)
    Terraricca said

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    I wander were in scriptures it says this ???
    this is all news to me

    It's in the early writings of the church.
    2nd or 3rd century.


    Those are the years of the apostasy ,the territory of the Antichrist ,was flourishing ,

    #359907
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (2besee @ Oct. 22 2013,14:04)
    Carried from another conversation.

    The early church did not believe that God
    would be behind a future re-gathering of
    the Jews to Israel. To the contrary they
    believed “the antichrist” would be behind a
    future regathering of the Jews to Israel.
    They all agreed on this.
    Here’s some examples..

    “Christ arose from
    among the Hebrews, and he (Antichrist) will spring from among the Jews. Christ showed His flesh as a Temple, and raised it up on the third day; and he, too, will raise up again the Temple of stone in Jerusalem.” (St. Hippolytus)

    “In every respect that Deceiver seeks to
    make himself appear like the Son of God. Christ is king of things celestial and terrestrial, and Antichrist will be king upon earth. The Saviour sent the Apostles unto all the nations, and he, in like manner will send
    false apostles. Christ gathered together the
    dispersed sheep, and he in like manner will
    gather together the dispersed people of the
    Hebrews. Christ appeared in the form of
    man, and he in like manner will come forth
    in the form of man.” (Hippolytus)

    “Antichrist will rule the world from Jerusalem, which he will make into a magnificent city.” (St. Anselm)

    “He will call together the whole people to
    himself, out of every country of the Dispersion, making them his own, as though
    they were his own children, and promising
    to restore their country and establish again
    their kingdom and nation, in order that he may be worshipped by them as God.” (St.
    Hippolytus)

    Antichrist will heal the sick, raise the dead,
    restore sight to the blind, hearing to the
    deaf, speech to the dumb, raises storms and
    calms them, re-names mountains, make
    trees blossom and wither at a word, re-build the temple of Jerusalem, and make Jerusalem
    the capital city of the world with the vast
    wealth of hidden treasures.” (Rabanus Maurus)

    These days shall run their course rapidly; and the kingdom of the Deceiver and Antichrist shall be promptly removed. And then, finally, in the twinkling of an eye shall the fashion of
    this world pass away, and the power of men
    shall be brought to naught, and all visible things shall be destroyed.” (St. Hippolytus)

    Why are so many Christians today, teaching
    that God is the one who is regathering the
    Jews to Israel – and that there will be a
    temporary one thousand years in which
    Jesus rules from Jerusalem?
    Watch out for false prophets.
    “Do not go out – do not believe them”,
    Jesus said.

    …………………….

    “Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
    “You will know them by their fruits.
    Grapes are not gathered from
    thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are
    they?

    “So every good tree bears good fruit, but
    the bad tree bears bad fruit.
    “A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor
    can a bad tree produce good fruit.
    “Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
    “So then, you will know them by their fruits.”


    2Besee.

    ANTICHRIST? WHAT ANTICHRIST? WHERE IN SCRIPTURES
    IS HE MENTIONED AS THE ANTICHRIST?
    WAS THE ANTICHRIST CAST IN THE LAKE OF FIRE REV19.
    OR THE FALSE PROPHET?
    WAS SATAN AND HIS ANGELS CAST IN THE LAKE OF FIRE?
    IF NOT THAN WHAT ABOUT SATAN AND HIS ANGELS?
    *************

    —————————————————————–

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    Christ gathered together the
    dispersed sheep, **and he**(antichrist) in like manner **will
    gather together the dispersed** people of the
    Hebrews. Christ appeared in the form of
    man, **and he**(antichrist) in like manner will come forth
    in the form of man.” (Hippolytus)

    .
    —————————————————————–

    CONTRADICTION TO PROPHESY:

    Jeremiah 23:3 **And I will** gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.
    I WILL;MEANING GOD WILL: NOT THE ANTICHRIST.

    Jeremiah 23:4 **And I will** set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the LORD.
    I WILL; MEANING GOD WILL: NOT THE ANTICHRIST.

    Jeremiah 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that **I will** raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
    I WILL; MEANING GOD WILL: NOT THE ANTICHRIST.
    GOD WILL RAISE UP A KING OF KINGS.

    Jeremiah 23:6 **In his days** Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
    HIS DAYS;MEANING CHRIST DAYS: NOT THE ANTICHRIST'S DAYS. ISRAEL WILL BE SAFELY INHABITED.

    Jeremiah 23:7 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that they shall no more say, **The LORD** liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;

    Jeremiah 23:8 But, **The LORD** liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.
    IT IS THE LORD THAT WILL BRINGBACK ISRAEL OUT OF MANY COUNTRIES;BACK INTO ISRAEL AGAIN.

    NOT ONLY ISRAEL OF TODAY;BUT OF ALL GENERATIONS
    A REMNANT ARE CHOSEN.
    AND THEY WILL BE THE POPULATION IN THE 1000YR KINGDOM .

    Jeremiah 23:6 ***In his days Judah shall be saved***
    and ***Israel shall dwell safely***: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, ***THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS***. ****THIS IS FUTURE****

    (WHO IS THE FALSE TEACHER HERE)?

    wakeup.

    #359909
    2besee
    Participant

    Wakeup, you can believe whatever you want. I won't be believing it. I don't listen to men. I trust in God.

    No prophecy of scripture is a matter of private interpretation.

    Do you understand what that means wakeup?

    #359910
    2besee
    Participant

    I think I moved this to the wrong thread. I just couldn't post in that other place Terraricca, something was going wrong with the phone.

    I'll continue this later.

    #359918
    2besee
    Participant

    Wakeup,
    You are mixing up an earthly with heavenly Jerusalem.
    As for the other verses, they have been fulfilled, as I have said over and over.
    But, you can believe what you want to believe.

    #359929
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (2besee @ Oct. 22 2013,21:20)
    Wakeup, you can believe whatever you want. I won't be believing it. I don't listen to men. I trust in God.

    No prophecy of scripture is a matter of private interpretation.

    Do you understand what that means wakeup?


    2Besee.

    Why will you not answer those scriptures?
    What is stopping you?
    Instead just say; you believe what you believe
    and I believe what I believe.

    Is that an answer?
    Is that being truthful?

    Private interpretaions can not be backed up by scriptures.
    I have the scriptures to proof that it's not private interpretation.

    I dont listen to men's idol talk either.
    But I listen to scriptures provided,what ever scriptures.
    Which you dont care what ever the scriptures say
    if it does not fit in your distorted picture.

    So who is the false teacher here?
    Who is hiding from the scriptures?

    wakeup.

    #359946
    2besee
    Participant

    Wakeup:

    How is your post constructive to any conversation?
    Did I call you a false teacher in my last post? No,I did not.
    Perhaps if you understood Jesus' words regarding the gathering of good or bad fruit, you would see something.
    Is the fruit gathered in Israel today good fruit or bad fruit?
    Is that which is gathered there today of Jesus?
    Are they praising him?
    Does a good tree produce bad fruit, or a bad tree produce good fruit?

    I am classed as a Hebrew – on both sides. My Mothers surname means “Of Judah”.
    Jesus was of the tribe of Judah. That's a good thing, I love that. Yet, I look towards the heavenly, not the earthly. Jesus said his kingdom is not of this world.

    As for the verses you gave,
    Been over it again and again, Wakeup.
    “Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”
    – Albert Einstein

    Amillenialism had been the majority view until recent times, Wakeup. We have complete agreement, wherever we are. :)

    #359981
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (2besee @ Oct. 23 2013,08:09)
    Wakeup:

    How is your post constructive to any conversation?
    Did I call you a false teacher in my last post? No,I did not.
    Perhaps if you understood Jesus' words regarding the gathering of good or bad fruit, you would see something.
    Is the fruit gathered in Israel today good fruit or bad fruit?
    Is that which is gathered there today of Jesus?
    Are they praising him?
    Does a good tree produce bad fruit, or a bad tree produce good fruit?

    I am classed as a Hebrew – on both sides. My Mothers surname means “Of Judah”.
    Jesus was of the tribe of Judah. That's a good thing, I love that. Yet, I look towards the heavenly, not the earthly. Jesus said his kingdom is not of this world.

    As for the verses you gave,
    Been over it again and again, Wakeup.
    “Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”
    – Albert Einstein

    Amillenialism had been the majority view until recent times, Wakeup. We have complete agreement, wherever we are. :)


    2Besee.

    Are you not insinuating that I am a false teacher?

    Why dont you answer my post,instead of going around and around?
    You suppose to show me where I am not preaching the truth.
    Sciptures have been posted over and over again in HN.
    so what are you complaining about.

    Are they not all prophesies that I have posted?
    Why the rejection?

    All I need is confirmation that I am wrong.
    So,answer please.

    wakeup.

    #359996
    journey42
    Participant

    2besee,Oct. wrote:

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    The early church did not believe that God
    would be behind a future re-gathering of
    the Jews to Israel.


    Hi 2Besse,
    This is deep knowledge.  It can only be given by the holy spirit.  The whole plan of God is not explained to us easily, for God wants us to “search” the scriptures, here a little, there a little, till a picture is formed, revealing God's plan.  This is how knowledge comes.

    The early “church” knew nothing except what the prophets of old prophesied, and what Christ had taught directly, and through his apostles.

    Paul speaking;
    Romans 10:1   Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

    Christ had already been resurrected, and Paul's prayer confirms that Israel is still not saved, for they persecuted their Messiah.

    Romans 11:25   For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

    Hebrews 8:8   For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
    Hebrews 8:10   For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: (THIS IS MENTIONED IN JEREMIAH 31:31-32)

     
    So, during the days of Paul, was this fulfilled already?
    For Christ already had come & gone, and Israel still “not saved” according to Paul.  So must be future.  
    They knew that there would be a regeneration.

    Matthew 19:28   And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

    This will happen at the coming.

    /continued.

    #359998
    journey42
    Participant

    2besee,Oct. wrote:

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    To the contrary they
    believed “the antichrist” would be behind a
    future regathering of the Jews to Israel.
    They all agreed on this.
    Here’s some examples..


    Is this really what “THEY” believed?  Lets prove this from the holy scriptures?
    We should check everything 2Besse.

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    “Antichrist will rule the world from Jerusalem, which he will make into a magnificent city.” (St. Anselm)


    Satan already has this idea in his head, so this is true, but it's in the scriptures, and not any new revelation.
    Besides, God never calls him the antichrist, but calls him the false prophet, so there is an error there.

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    “He will call together the whole people to
    himself, out of every country of the Dispersion, making them his own, as though
    they were his own children, and promising
    to restore their country and establish again
    their kingdom and nation, in order that he may be worshipped by them as God.” (St.
    Hippolytus)


    Yes, he probably will do this, but are they all going to fit in there atm?

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    Antichrist will heal the sick, raise the dead,
    restore sight to the blind, hearing to the
    deaf, speech to the dumb, raises storms and
    calms them, re-names mountains, make
    trees blossom and wither at a word, re-build the temple of Jerusalem, and make Jerusalem
    the capital city of the world with the vast
    wealth of hidden treasures.” (Rabanus Maurus)


    Yes, the bible says that the “False Prophet” will perform miracles, and calls them “Lying Wonders”.

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    Why are so many Christians today, teaching
    that God is the one who is regathering the
    Jews to Israel


    Isaiah 14:24   The Lord of hosts hath sworn, saying, surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand.
    Isaiah 14:25   That I will break the Assyrian in my land, and upon my mountains tread him under foot: then shall his yoke depart from off them, and his burden depart from off their shoulders.
    Isaiah 14:26   This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth: and this is the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations.
    Isaiah 14:27   For the Lord of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it? and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back?

    The Jews are already gathered in Israel.  This happened in 1948.
    This is God's plan, to bring them all together for them to be surrounded by their enemies.  God is going to humble them, but all has to be fulfilled first.
    The 2nd gathering will not happen until Babylon the Great is destroyed first,
    and the false prophet will be destroyed at that same time,
    so the 2nd gathering has nothing to do with the false prophet for he will be gone forever, and Satan will be locked up.
    I think you may be getting mixed up with what we are saying?

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    – and that there will be a
    temporary one thousand years in which
    Jesus rules from Jerusalem?


    Revelation 20:4   And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

    Revelation 20:5   But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

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    “In every respect that Deceiver seeks to
    make himself appear like the Son of God.


    2 Thessalonians 2:4   Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

    Can you see the contradiction?
    Spose it wouldn't matter if one were a trinitarian, it's all the same to him,
    but not to me.

    This is what you insinuated of Wakeup.

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    Watch out for false prophets.
    “Do not go out – do not believe them”,
    Jesus said.

    #360007
    2besee
    Participant

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    Are you not insinuating that I am a false
    teacher?

    Wakeup and Journey,
    You have misunderstood.

    I was beginning a conversation with Terraricca elsewhere, and the forum developed a glitch, and I couldn't reply on my phone, so I continued the conversation here – it was the closest thread I could find to what we were talking about.
    We weren't talking about you at all. My bad for choosing this thread I guess. I apologize for not eXplaining better in the first post.
    But – you know I disagree with what you teach – not only in prophecy.
    I disagree with my best friend too, who believes as you do, at least regarding a soon to come one thousand year millennium ruled from Jerusalem at the second coming of Christ – but the difference is : she doesn't teach it – she keeps it to herself, despite her being an author. So we disagree, but just between the two of us.
    Be different if she was teaching it.
    Cause, the way I see it – when the world deceiver, who may even call himself Jesus comes and sits in Jerusalem : (many) Christians and Muslims will be the ones who “go out” – and will encourage people to “go out”.

    Jesus told me through visions and scriptures not to believe them – not to go out.
    I will encourage people not to go : if that happens. I will warn them with scripture not to.
    I know that when Jesus REALLY DOES return – everything will be gone. Jesus won't set foot on this planet. Those who 'remain alive' will meet him in the air.
    (Before you say that he will stand on the Mt of Olives – he already has done that).

    I will never ever agree to your end time eschatological view. I believe in God, and what He had shown me.
    That is what it means that no prophecy is a matter of private interpretation. We CANNOT sit down with notepad and pen and try to understand the prophecies. Only God will show us in all truth, and in His own time, if we trust Him.
    And then, when things happen – which they are – He will guide us.

    Where are we, in your opinion?

    My answer – The great deception, the days of delusion. The restrainer being taken out of the way, Satan let lose to deceive the whole world.
    And then : sudden destruction, when the son of man comes like a thief in the night.

    As for the Jews : They are scattered throughout the world. Many have turned to Christ just as they did 2000 years ago.

    Your idea the Jews will be taught by Gentile Christians, for a thousand years in this present world in the future is 'nonsense', sorry!
    There is only one way, and that is Christ. And today is the day of salvation, then the door will close.

    (I'm not going to post swathes of scriptures because I've done that for the past year…. plus three, so please stop asking me to repeat what I've already done).

    I'm Amillenial, your hyperdispensational.
    I will not change my view – you will not change your view.

    The only possible close alternative that I could go with is the Seventh Day Adventist historical heavenly pre-millennial view. They are pretty clued up, and we do see a lot in common – though not all.
    They will not be deceived though. Neither will the Eastern orthodox, or the Catholics, or the Lutheran, etc, as they are also Amillenial.
    Funny how our view is the least visible in Revelation, yet we all agree!

    Pity you can't see it.

    If I missed any points, let me know.
    I still only have this pathetic little phone.

    #360010
    2besee
    Participant

    And with this phone I have to reply offline, only from memory of all you said, and my memories not that good.

    #360011
    Wakeup
    Participant

    2Besee.

    I am still waiting for your answer.

    1.The antichrist; Where in scripture
    is he mentioned?
    2. The antichrist gathering he jews back to israel?

    Why dont you ask your sda teacher to answer.

    wakeup.

    #360027
    2besee
    Participant

    Wakeup,
    I do not have a SDA teacher. They are not Amillenial like me, but they are clued up and will not be deceived.

    As to your questions:

    Antichrist:

    The word antichrist is made up of two roots:
    αντί + Χριστός (anti + Christos). “Αντί” can mean not only “against” and “opposite of”, but also “in place of,  “Χριστός”, translated “Christ”, is Greek for the Hebrew “Messiah” meaning ” anointed,” and refers to Jesus of Nazareth.[/I]

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antichrist

    The “Antichrist” has been understood by most to mean “The man of Sin” in 2nd Thessalonians.

    “The Man of Sin or Man of Lawlessness is a figure referred to in 2 Thessalonians 2:3, who is usually equated with the Antichrist .
    Second Thessalonians, Chapter Two
    In 2 Thessalonians 2:3–10 , the “Man of Sin” is described as one who will be revealed after there come a falling away in Christ's Church
    before the Day of the Lord comes. The Codices Sinaiticus and Vaticanus have the reading, “Man of Lawlessness ,” and Metzger argues that this is the original reading. Codices such as Alexandrinus, Boernerianus and Claromontanus have “Man of Sin”.
    This Man of Sin “will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God,” and “set himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God” (verse 4).
    Something is said to be “holding him
    back” (verse 6), though that will be “taken out of the way” (verse 7). A “lawless one” will be revealed (verse 8), whom Jesus will destroy “by
    the splendor of his coming .”

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_of_sin

    #360033
    2besee
    Participant

    Wakeup, JUST SAY a future world tyrant arises…. Then Jesus returns and destroys the tyrant and saves the world…
    You will believe it yes?
    Even if it's nothing but a taking hologram set up by America….

    Just saying. What if?

    #360070
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (2besee @ Oct. 24 2013,10:44)
    Wakeup, JUST SAY a future world tyrant arises…. Then Jesus returns and destroys the tyrant and saves the world…
    You will believe it yes?
    Even if it's nothing but a taking hologram set up by America….

    Just saying. What if?


    2Besee.

    As antichrists there are many.
    Why call him antichrist,when scripture calls him
    the false prophet?

    Is HE the one that brought israel together?
    As you say he did, or will?

    wakeup.

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