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Quote (t8 @ Feb. 14 2012,18:50) Yes christos is the anointing and Jesus Christ was the annointed one, no one is disagreeing with that from what I can tell. That said, what does that have to do with Jesus existing in the form of God, emptying himself, becoming flesh, humbling himself, dying for our sins, and rising from the dead to be in the glory that he had with the Father before the world began?
T8……….Because that Anointing is what Gave him the FORM or NATURE of GOD, it has everything to do with it Brother.peace and love……………………………………….gene
Quote (t8 @ Feb. 14 2012,18:48) I have said this a number of times and no one can refute this because I am really just quoting scripture, albeit I have abbreviated it into my own words. Yet men here grit their teeth when I say this and it can all be shown as scripture. He existed in the form of God, emptied himself, partook of flesh, humbled himself, died, rose from the dead, and went back to the glory that he had with the Father before the world began.
Who among you gritted your teeth or became irritated?
What spirit becomes irritated when you speak from scripture.
Did not Jesus speak scripture or what was written to the tempter to overcome him?
Again, what spirit becomes irritated by the truths in scripture because if you are irritated, then it is likely that this spirit has a measure of control over you?
Hi t8:What you have posted is scripture, but there is nothing in that scripture that states that he was “in the form of God prior to becoming a man”.
No, I have misread what you stated. What you have done in modified the scritpure to give your interpretation of scritpure.
And so, let's just state the scriptures the way they are written:
Quote Phl 2:5 ¶ Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Phl 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Phl 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Phl 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Phl 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Phl 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth;
Quote Jhn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Jhn 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (martian @ Aug. 29 2010,02:20) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 28 2010,18:30) To All …………..All this yakking and no one addressing the subject of this thread. Why must Christ pre-exist? Let here son (GOOD REASONS) WHY JESUS HAD TO PREEXIST. Surely all you who believe he did preexist can come up with something. Put your heads together and come up with some reason he (MUST) have Preexisted. peace and love to you all……………………………..gene
I agree Gene. ne of the primary indicators of “philosophy” is that it really serves little purpose except to form mental imagery. Philosophy lacks the anointed power to change lives. It does little to inspire change or give example for the Christian to follow.
Let me remind readers of the first post by which I started this thread. The questions are still valid.
All the debates center on proving that Christ pre-existed, I want to know what purpose it serves. Did God do it so that we would have something to debate? How does this doctrine work? What does it do for the believer? How does it help me along the journey to become like Christ?
What kind of fruit does it produce in my life? How does it edify or build me up?
Hi Martian and Gene.Gal.3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He says not, and to seeds as of many; but as of one, and to thy seed, which is Christ.
Acts 2:33 Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit. He poured out this which you now see and hear.
Gen 17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in there generations for a everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
Did Christ pre-exist? For what purpose?
Abe,
All things were created through our Lord Jesus Christ. There is at least one purpose.
Also, does there have to be a “purpose”? What is the “purpose” God created mankind?
Here is the reason it is written the way it is. How many can accept it?
MATTHEW 11:25 † At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
It was a revelation then, Mat 16:17-19, and it is revealed by GOD today. All others will be deceived.
God Bless all in your search
MarlinQuote (Marlin1 @ Feb. 24 2012,17:54) Here is the reason it is written the way it is. How many can accept it? MATTHEW 11:25 † At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
It was a revelation then, Mat 16:17-19, and it is revealed by GOD today. All others will be deceived.
God Bless all in your search
Marlin
mARE YOU A BABE
Pierre,
He only reveals to babes, He can not reveal anything to someone that already knows the answer.
Marlin
Quote 3.Teaching bares fruit. If you teach someone to love, that sort of teaching bares fruit.
If you teach someone that 1+1=2, they may become smarter and know this truth, but what fruit does it bare?
If beliefs such as this were clearly baring fruit, then we could line up all trinitarians on one side and all non-trinitarians on the other side, and judge which is correct by their fruit.
That of course would be silly. It's strange to me to think that a belief or teaching that doesn't correspond directly to personality or character should bare fruitage.
Some believe that god exists and say lord lord, and they have bad fruitage.
Some don't believe he exists, and have bad fruitage.
Others believe he exists and have good fruitage
And still others dint believe he exists and have quite good fruitage.A thing cannot be judged true or false based on purpose or fruitage, bit should be judged true based on whether it is true or not.
Quote (Marlin1 @ Feb. 24 2012,21:09) Pierre, He only reveals to babes, He can not reveal anything to someone that already knows the answer.
Marlin
MI just try to point out that your comment left as is does not make sense ,because I think that Christ never went to babes to teach right ?? it should be the meaning ,
MT 11:25 At that time Jesus said, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants.
LK 10:21 At that very time He rejoiced greatly in the Holy Spirit, and said, “I praise You, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants. Yes, Father, for this way was well-pleasing in Your sight.so the infants represent whom
?all
why is it that people that says that they believe in God but do not believe his written word, they do not trust in God ,nor his son ,???
and argue in there own ignorance and try to pass it on to others by believing that they are serving God ,
Quote (942767 @ Feb. 15 2012,01:44) Quote (t8 @ Feb. 14 2012,18:48) I have said this a number of times and no one can refute this because I am really just quoting scripture, albeit I have abbreviated it into my own words. Yet men here grit their teeth when I say this and it can all be shown as scripture. He existed in the form of God, emptied himself, partook of flesh, humbled himself, died, rose from the dead, and went back to the glory that he had with the Father before the world began.
Who among you gritted your teeth or became irritated?
What spirit becomes irritated when you speak from scripture.
Did not Jesus speak scripture or what was written to the tempter to overcome him?
Again, what spirit becomes irritated by the truths in scripture because if you are irritated, then it is likely that this spirit has a measure of control over you?
Hi t8:What you have posted is scripture, but there is nothing in that scripture that states that he was “in the form of God prior to becoming a man”.
No, I have misread what you stated. What you have done in modified the Scripture to give your interpretation of scripture.
And so, let's just state the scriptures the way they are written:
Quote Phl 2:5 ¶ Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Phl 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Phl 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Phl 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Phl 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Phl 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth;
Quote John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
John 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou loved me before the foundation of the world.Love in Christ,
Marty
Terricca………..You mean like you and your Co-harts do, as Marty has shown here.There has been many many that have came here and gone who have stated the TRUTH about Jesus , Like for instance Martian, Not3in1, Marty, Chosenone, kajon, Adam, Frank, Barley, Ed j, Kerwin, Astri, No matter how mwnny over the many years i have been here come and give you proofs over and over, you and Mike and T8, fail to even acknowledge it. You would rather take the view you have received from the Trinitarians about Jesus' “PREEXISTENCE” a view started b y the Gnostic's at the time of the disciples, who John and Paul fought against . They also believed in the “PREEXISTENCE of Jesus and that He was sent from the Pleuora of GODS.
You have all bought into the bigest lie ever taught, and that is the preexistence of Jesus You like the trinitarians will all be put to shame in the time to come, by Jesus himself, unless you repent of these false teaching of yours. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………………….gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 13 2012,19:05) Hi ,
CHRIST did exist before birth.
Christos is the anointing.
Jesus did not though.
Nick…………Right on brother. When are they ever going to come to see that, so we can all come to a unity of The True Faith ?Peace and love to you and your Nick…………………………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 11 2012,20:25) Quote (942767 @ Feb. 15 2012,01:44) Quote (t8 @ Feb. 14 2012,18:48) I have said this a number of times and no one can refute this because I am really just quoting scripture, albeit I have abbreviated it into my own words. Yet men here grit their teeth when I say this and it can all be shown as scripture. He existed in the form of God, emptied himself, partook of flesh, humbled himself, died, rose from the dead, and went back to the glory that he had with the Father before the world began.
Who among you gritted your teeth or became irritated?
What spirit becomes irritated when you speak from scripture.
Did not Jesus speak scripture or what was written to the tempter to overcome him?
Again, what spirit becomes irritated by the truths in scripture because if you are irritated, then it is likely that this spirit has a measure of control over you?
Hi t8:What you have posted is scripture, but there is nothing in that scripture that states that he was “in the form of God prior to becoming a man”.
No, I have misread what you stated. What you have done in modified the Scripture to give your interpretation of scripture.
And so, let's just state the scriptures the way they are written:
Quote Phl 2:5 ¶ Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Phl 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Phl 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Phl 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Phl 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Phl 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth;
Quote John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
John 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou loved me before the foundation of the world.Love in Christ,
Marty
Terricca………..You mean like you and your Co-harts do, as Marty has shown here.There has been many many that have came here and gone who have stated the TRUTH about Jesus , Like for instance Martian, Not3in1, Marty, Chosenone, kajon, Adam, Frank, Barley, Ed j, Kerwin, Astri, No matter how mwnny over the many years i have been here come and give you proofs over and over, you and Mike and T8, fail to even acknowledge it. You would rather take the view you have received from the Trinitarians about Jesus' “PREEXISTENCE” a view started b y the Gnostic's at the time of the disciples, who John and Paul fought against . They also believed in the “PREEXISTENCE of Jesus and that He was sent from the Pleuora of GODS.
You have all bought into the bigest lie ever taught, and that is the preexistence of Jesus You like the trinitarians will all be put to shame in the time to come, by Jesus himself, unless you repent of these false teaching of yours. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………………….gene
geneif I would not care for truth and believe that the scriptures are trully the word of God ;then and only then could I may be accept your view,
BUT THIS IS NOT THE CASE ;I LOVE THE TRUTH AND THE WRITTEN WORDS THAT GOD SERVANTS HAVE SEND ME AND DEEPLY BELIEVE THAT WHAT THEY HAVE SAID HIS THE TRUTH OF GOD ,
FOR THOSE REASONS I KNOW YOU ARE WRONG AND WHAT YOU SAY HIS FALSE,IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW MANY FRIENDS YOU QUOTE THE TRUTH STANDS ON HIS OWN .
Terricca………..But i do care for the “TRUTH” Just not “YOUR” and T8 and Mikes brand of “Truth” that teaches the separation of Jesus from his “exact” identity with us, his fellow human brother and sisters, that you and they teach
peace and love to you andn yours…………………………………………………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 18 2012,19:43) Terricca………..But i do care for the “TRUTH” Just not “YOUR” and T8 and Mikes brand of “Truth” that teaches the separation of Jesus from his “exact” identity with us, his fellow human brother and sisters, that you and they teach peace and love to you andn yours…………………………………………………………gene
genewe as you said ;WE DO NOT HAVE ANY OTHER TRUTH THAN WHAT IS WRITTEN IN SCRIPTURES ;
BUT YOU HAVE YOUR OWN WRITTEN WORD AND YOUR OWN INTERPRETATION ,VOIDDING THE WORD OF GOD HIMSELF.
Terricca…………..So show us ONE place where i voided the word of God> Prove it, I would like to see that. Your accusing words mean nothing to me Pierre, but only shows your real nature. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………………………………………………………..gene
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