Why is Jesus called the second Adam if you say he came from Adam???

[Ed J]

Jodi,

You appear to keep missing my point, Jesus couldn’t have fully learn to be obedient
to God’s will until just before he went to the cross… Here are the references:

”And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me:
nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.” (Mark 14:36)

”And he was withdrawn from them about a stone’s cast, and kneeled down,
and prayed, Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me:
nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.” (Luke 22:41-42)

THEN ACCORDING TO YOU JESUS COULD NOT HAVE BEEN FULLY MADE PERFECT
UNTIL AT THE POINT HE AGREED TO GO TO THE CROSS

Do you agree with this observation of your view or not? Please answer, ok?

”the things which he suffered; And being made perfect”

Or maybe you believe he was made perfect after he died?

Because he didn’t suffer from the crucifixion until AFTER
Which is it? Please tell me EXACTLY when you believe he was made perfect?

I hope you finally understand my question, because I really do want
to understand what you believe. So please answer my question this time.

Thank you!

____________
God bless
Ed J

[Ed J]

Hi Ed J,

8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; 9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

THIS is when he was MADE perfect learning obedience going to the cross.

Jodi,

You appear to keep missing my point, Jesus couldn’t have fully learn to be obedient
to God’s will until just before he went to the cross… Here are the references:

”And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me:
nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.” (Mark 14:36)

”And he was withdrawn from them about a stone’s cast, and kneeled down,
and prayed, Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me:
nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.” (Luke 22:41-42)

THEN ACCORDING TO YOU JESUS COULD NOT HAVE BEEN FULLY MADE PERFECT
UNTIL AT THE POINT HE AGREED TO GO TO THE CROSS

Do you agree with this observation of your view or not? Please answer, ok?

”the things which he suffered; And being made perfect”

Or maybe you believe he was made perfect after he died?

Because he didn’t suffer from the crucifixion until AFTER
Which is it? Please tell me EXACTLY when you believe he was made perfect?

I hope you finally understand my question, because I really do want
to understand what you believe. So please answer my question this time.

Thank you!

____________
God bless
Ed J

[Ed J]

Jodi,

You appear to keep missing my point, Jesus couldn’t have fully learn to be obedient
to God’s will until just before he went to the cross… Here are the references:

”And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me:
nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.” (Mark 14:36)

”And he was withdrawn from them about a stone’s cast, and kneeled down,
and prayed, Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me:
nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.” (Luke 22:41-42)

THEN ACCORDING TO YOU JESUS COULD NOT HAVE BEEN FULLY MADE PERFECT
UNTIL AT THE POINT HE AGREED TO GO TO THE CROSS

Do you agree with this observation of your view or not? Please answer, ok?

”the things which he suffered; And being made perfect”

Or maybe you believe he was made perfect after he died?

Because he didn’t suffer from the crucifixion until AFTER
Which is it? Please tell me EXACTLY when you believe he was made perfect?

I hope you finally understand my question, because I really do want
to understand what you believe. So please answer my question this time.

Thank you!

____________
God bless
Ed J

[Ed J]

Jodi,

You appear to keep missing my point, Jesus couldn’t have fully learn to be obedient
to God’s will until just before he went to the cross… Here are the references:

”And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me:
nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.” (Mark 14:36)

”And he was withdrawn from them about a stone’s cast, and kneeled down,
and prayed, Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me:
nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.” (Luke 22:41-42)

THEN ACCORDING TO YOU JESUS COULD NOT HAVE BEEN FULLY MADE PERFECT
UNTIL AT THE POINT HE AGREED TO GO TO THE CROSS

Do you agree with this observation of your view or not? Please answer, ok?

”the things which he suffered; And being made perfect”

Or maybe you believe he was made perfect after he died?

Because he didn’t suffer from the crucifixion until AFTER
Which is it? Please tell me EXACTLY when you believe he was made perfect?

I hope you finally understand my question, because I really do want
to understand what you believe. So please answer my question this time.

Thank you!

____________
God bless

Ed J

[Ed J]

Hi Jodi,

You appear to keep missing my point, Jesus couldn’t have fully learn to be obedient
to God’s will until just before he went to the cross… Here are the references:

”And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me:
nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.” (Mark 14:36)

”And he was withdrawn from them about a stone’s cast, and kneeled down,
and prayed, Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me:
nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.” (Luke 22:41-42)

THEN ACCORDING TO YOU JESUS COULD NOT HAVE BEEN FULLY MADE PERFECT
UNTIL AT THE POINT HE AGREED TO GO TO THE CROSS

Do you agree with this observation of your view or not? Please answer, ok?

”the things which he suffered; And being made perfect”

Or maybe you believe he was made perfect after he died?

Because he didn’t suffer from the crucifixion until AFTER
Which is it? Please tell me EXACTLY when you believe he was made perfect?

I hope you finally understand my question, because I really do want
to understand what you believe. So please answer my question this time.

Thank you!

____________
God bless
Ed J

[Ed J]

Jodi,

You appear to keep missing my point, Jesus couldn’t have fully learn to be obedient
to God’s will until just before he went to the cross… Here are the references:

”And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me:
nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.” (Mark 14:36)

”And he was withdrawn from them about a stone’s cast, and kneeled down,
and prayed, Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me:
nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.” (Luke 22:41-42)

THEN ACCORDING TO YOU JESUS COULD NOT HAVE BEEN FULLY MADE PERFECT
UNTIL AT THE POINT HE AGREED TO GO TO THE CROSS

Do you agree with this observation of your view or not? Please answer, ok?

”the things which he suffered; And being made perfect”

Or maybe you believe he was made perfect seconds before he died?

Because he didn’t suffer the crucifixion until he did. Which is it?
Please tell me EXACTLY when you believe he was made perfect?

I hope you finally understand my question, because I really do want
to understand what you believe. So please answer my question this time.

Thank you!

____________
God bless
Ed J

[Jodi]

Hi Ed J,

Upon his last breath at the moment that he died he was made perfect. 

Jesus had the power of God’s Spirit he could have saved himself from the cross with that power at any moment before his death. He never used that power to serve his own flesh, his own will. He instead condemned sin in the flesh.

Jesus didn’t have to prove this to God, God KNEW the power of His own Spirit when it is working by a full measure in a man. This was a LESSON to Jesus, a lesson to us all about the power of God’s Spirit in a man, that God’s Spirit fulfills ALL righteousness, even in a weak mortal human. We are counted as righteous if we believe this is true, if we have faith in God by this truth, if we mortify the deeds of our body and desire to sin no more, God will call us to righteousness, to sin no more like Jesus, and if we can exist without sin like Jesus, we are deserving of eternal life like Jesus.

Ed J, you don’t seem to believe that the offspring of Jesse was CALLED to righteousness and what that meant for Jesus and what that means for us, such is to be an heir of God, it is to be born again of God, inheriting God’s Spirit. God saved us through Jesus from an eternal death so that we could be an heir along with Jesus. Jesus is our proof that righteousness in a man can be accomplished by God, and where there is righteousness there is eternal life. 

 

[Jodi]

Hi Ed J,

This is very much unresolved, 

My question, 1. Before time began God promised eternal life? Yes or No?

YOU: No, the promise was made to us after the world began

This is NOT what scripture tells you Ed J. You are speaking directly against scripture!

2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised BEFORE the world began.

If you cannot resolve this there is no point in us further discussing anything.

Let’s look at the surrounding context,

1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God’s elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness; 2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; 3 But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;

God gave HIS WORD of eternal salvation before time on earth even began, before the earth was even made. We were not there to hear it when it was established obviously as we were not created yet, but that doesn’t mean that God didn’t speak it before we existed.  

In due time we heard that which God had PROMISED to us BEFORE time began,  it came by preaching. The prophets preached it, Jesus preached it, even quoting also from what the prophets preached, and Paul a servant of God, an elected man was anointed with God’s Spirit to be an apostle to preach it. What he preached was that God’s promise of eternal life is fulfilled through the man Jesus.

Such is why it is of ABSOLUTE truth to say that IN God’s WORD, His promise that we ARE DIRECTLY told was established BEFORE time on earth began, was the MAN Jesus who would be the son of David that would fulfill all of God’s will, as God would raise up the son of David to be our savior. 

 

[Ed J]

Hi Ed J,

Upon his last breath at the moment that he died he was made perfect.

Thank you Jodi!

I realize it is sometimes hard to understand an other’s perspective, but at least
you make an effort to reconcile your beliefs with my view of truth. Again thank you!

But that view presents a different problem:

”Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.” (Matt 5:48)
How can we be perfect, if Jesus wasn’t made perfect until at the moment that he died?

Please explain???

[Ed J]

Hi Ed J,

This is very much unresolved,

My question, 1. Before time began God promised eternal life? Yes or No?

YOU: No, the promise was made to us after the world began

This is NOT what scripture tells you Ed J. You are speaking directly against scripture!

2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised BEFORE the world began.

If you cannot resolve this there is no point in us further discussing anything.

Hi Jodi,

Stop listening to the devil whispering in your ear to stop reasoning together (ref. Isaiah 1:18)

This WAS resolved: reread my first post on page 5 (post #845682) – go back and reread it

[Ed J]

No Jodi,

The ability to have eternal life was conceived of before the world began. But the promise was not made to us until the world and us on it were created. Compare what I’m telling you to this verse…

(Rev 23:8) “ the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.”

Was. Jesus slain before the world was created?

“Yes” or “No” ? (Post *845676)

(Post #845682) 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life, of the Lamb slain, from the foundation of the world.

ED J NO, Jesus was not slain before the world was created.

Hi Jodi, Thank you!

Then the promise of eternal salvation could not have been given to us then either, thank you for proving my point!

“If you cannot resolve this there is no point in us further discussing anything.” – Jodi

“Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.”
(1 Thess 5:21-22)

[Ed J]

Hi Ed J,

This is very much unresolved,

My question, 1. Before time began God promised eternal life? Yes or No?

YOU: No, the promise was made to us after the world began

“If you cannot resolve this there is no point in us further discussing anything.” -Jodi

You resolved it with the following response to me…

YOU: The ability to have eternal life was conceived of before the world began. But the promise was not made to us until the world and us on it were created.
therefore, the promise was made to us until after the world began

Ed J,

Seriously this is truly strange,

Before the foundation of the world the people didn’t receive the given promise of eternal salvation, that is obvious as they weren’t even created yet.

…so this is very much resolved.

Stop listening to Lucifer whispering in your ear!

[Jodi]

No Ed J,

This is not resolved.

What this is is truly ridiculous.

Man was not yet alive to hear of the promise that God had made before the world was made. Obviously. 

The promise was still spoken by God, it was still His word that was WITH him, before He did give it. 

You are missing the POINT, or you just don’t want to discuss it.

1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God’s elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness; 2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; 3 But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;

The WORD of God before the world began was a promise that He would in the future give mankind eternal life. That word was WITH Him before the world was made, and later He gave that WORD to the prophets. IN that WORD was the Son of Man, the offspring of Jesse, who God would call to righteousness, hold his hand and keep him to be a covenant, even a LIGHT for the Gentiles. 

This is TRUE, can you Ed J, acknowledge this CLEAR and SIMPLE TRUTH???

 

 

 

[Ed J]

No Ed J,

What this is is truly ridiculous.

Man was not yet alive to hear of the promise that God had made before the world was made. Obviously.

HiJodi,

Well, thank you! Now you finally understand
what it is I have been saying to you for my last 6 posts!

____________
God bless
Ed J

[Ed J]

This is TRUE, can you Ed J, acknowledge this CLEAR and SIMPLE TRUTH???

Hi Jodi,

Your posts are long and not simple at all.
It took me 7 posts for you to get one simple point.
Make one point and a time, if you want to keep it simple (:

For instance the bible says: Mary was a virgin and as a virgin she conceived.
You say somehow believe Joseph’s sperm entered her, the bible doesn’t say that.
So there’s nothing simple about your belief. I’m simply trying to sort out your beliefs

The bible also says: Mary’s Father was of David’s Lineage. And Mary’s Mother a Levite.
So it is clear to me… “Son of David” means Jesus biological mother’s Lineage.
Jesus was God’s Son according to many, many, Scriptures, not Joseph’s.
Of course you are free to believe whatever you want to believe.

Like I said: my goal is simply to understand what you believe
according to my understanding of Truth. THAT is why I ask
what you sometimes believe are ridiculous questions.
Thanks, I hope I have made myself clear to you.

____________
God bless
Ed J

[Ed J]

This is TRUE, can you Ed J, acknowledge this CLEAR and SIMPLE TRUTH???

Hi Jodi,

Your posts are long and not simple at all.
It took me 7 posts for you to get one simple point.
Make one point and a time, if you want to keep it simple (:

For instance the bible says: Mary was a virgin and as a virgin she conceived.
You say somehow believe Joeseph’s sperm got into her, when the bible doesn’t say that.
So there is nothing simple about your belief. My communicating with you is to sort out your beliefs

The bible also says: Mary’s Father was of David’s Lineage. And Mary’s Mother was a Levite.
So it is clear to me… “Son of David” means Jesus biological mother’s Lineage.
Jesus was God’s Son according to many, many, Scriptures, not Joseph’s.
Of course you are free to believe whatever you want to believe.

Like I said: my goal is simply to understand what you believe
according to my understanding of Truth. THAT is why I ask
questions that you sometimes believe are ridiculous.
Thanks, I hope I have made myself clear to you.

____________
God bless
Ed J

[Ed J]

This is TRUE, can you Ed J, acknowledge this CLEAR and SIMPLE TRUTH???

Hi Jodi,

Your posts are long and not simple at all.
It took me 7 posts for you to get one simple point.
Make one point and a time, if you want to keep it simple (:

For instance the bible says: Mary was a virgin and as a virgin she conceived.
You say somehow believe Joeseph’s sperm got into her, when the bible doesn’t say that.
So there is nothing simple about your belief. My communicating with you is to sort out your beliefs

The bible also says: Mary’s Father was of David’s Lineage. And Mary’s Mother was a Levite.
So it is clear to me… “Son of David” means Jesus biological mother’s Lineage.
Jesus was God’s Son according to many, many, Scriptures, not Joseph’s.
Of course you are free to believe whatever you want to believe.

Like I said: my goal is simply to understand what you believe
according to my understanding of Truth. THAT is why I ask
questions that you sometimes believe are ridiculous.
Thanks, I hope I have made myself clear to you.

____________
God bless
Ed J

[Ed J]

This is TRUE, can you Ed J, acknowledge this CLEAR and SIMPLE TRUTH??? – Jodi

Hi Jodi,

Your posts are long and not simple at all.
It took me 7 posts for you to get one simple point.
Make one point and a time, if you want to keep it simple (:

For instance the bible says: Mary was a virgin and as a virgin she conceived.
You somehow believe that Joseph’s sperm got into her, when the bible doesn’t say that.
So there is nothing simple about your belief. My communicating with you is to sort out your beliefs

The bible also says: Mary’s Father was of David’s Lineage. And Mary’s Mother was a Levite.
So it is clear to me… “Son of David” means Jesus biological mother’s Lineage.
Jesus was God’s Son according to many, many, Scriptures, not Joseph’s.
Of course you are free to believe whatever you want to believe.

Like I said: my goal is simply to understand what you believe
according to my understanding of Truth. THAT is why I ask
questions that you sometimes believe are ridiculous.
Thanks, I hope I have made myself clear to you.

____________
God bless
Ed J

[Ed J]

Jodi, I don’t share your belief that Joseph was Jesus’ biological father.
And I see you spring-boarding off that assumption, so no I don’t agree!

[Jodi]

Hi Ed J,

YOU:For instance the bible says: Mary was a virgin and as a virgin she conceived.
You somehow believe that Joseph’s sperm got into her, when the bible doesn’t say that.

ME: What the bible says is that the GENESIS of Jesus comes from Joseph and that Mary conceived through the power of the Holy Spirit. That directly tells you that it had to be Joseph’s 23 chromosomes in order for Mary to conceive a human of the offspring of Joseph. 

This is a simple task for God, and the purpose of the virgin birth was not for God to create some one of a kind special creature, but to be a sign to the house of David, to show that God KEEPS His promises, that a son of David would be on the throne and not another man from another tribe, like that of Ephraim would take it, a man of the offspring of David would, as was promised by God.

 

 

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