Why is Jesus called the second Adam if you say he came from Adam???

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  • #845624
    Jodi
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    Ed J,

    Please answer my below questions,

    Titus 1:2 in the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time,

    1. Before time began God promised eternal life?  Yes or No

    Hebrews 5:9 and being made perfect he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him,

    2. By Jesus being MADE perfect, he became the source for our salvation? Yes or No

    Mark 10:45 For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

    3. The Son of Man came to SERVE and to give his life as a ransom? Yes or No

    Luke 19:9 And Jesus said unto him,This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham. 10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

    4.  Jesus is a son from the man Abraham  and he came to the people to seek and to save that which was lost? Yes or No?

    Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 

    5. Before time began God promised, He gave His word of eternal life and He gave His word that a man would be made perfect in order to become our source for that eternal life? Yes or No?

    #845625
    Jodi
    Participant

    Ed J,

    Please answer my below questions,

    Titus 1:2 in the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time,

    1. Before time began God promised eternal life?  Yes or No?

    Hebrews 5:9 and being made perfect he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him,

    2. By Jesus being MADE perfect, he became the source for our salvation? Yes or No?

    Mark 10:45 For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

    3. The Son of Man came to SERVE and to give his life as a ransom? Yes or No?

    Luke 19:9 And Jesus said unto him,This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham. 10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

    4.  Jesus is a son from the man Abraham  and he came to the people to seek and to save that which was lost? Yes or No?

    Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

    5. Before time began God promised, He gave His word of eternal life and He gave His word that a man would be made perfect in order to become our source for that eternal life?

    Yes or No?

    #845626
    Jodi
    Participant

    Ed J,

    Please answer my below questions,

    Titus 1:2 in the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time,

    1. Before time began God promised eternal life?  Yes or No?

    Hebrews 5:9 and being made perfect he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him,

    2. By Jesus being MADE perfect, he became the source for our salvation? Yes or No?

    Mark 10:45 For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

    3. The Son of Man came to SERVE and to give his life as a ransom? Yes or No?

    Luke 19:9 And Jesus said unto him,This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham. 10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

    4.  Jesus is a son from the man Abraham  and he came to the people to seek and to save that which was lost? Yes or No?

    Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

    5. Before time began God promised, He gave His word of eternal life and He gave His word that a man would be made perfect in order to become our source for that eternal life?

    Yes or No?

    #845627
    Jodi
    Participant

    Ed J,

    Please answer my below questions,

    Titus 1:2 in the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time,

    1. Before time began God promised eternal life?  Yes or No?

    Hebrews 5:9 and being made perfect he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him,

    2. By Jesus being MADE perfect, he became the source for our salvation? Yes or No?

    Mark 10:45 For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

    3. The Son of Man came to SERVE and to give his life as a ransom? Yes or No?

    Luke 19:9 And Jesus said unto him,This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham. 10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

    4.  Jesus is a son from the man Abraham  and he came to the people to seek and to save that which was lost? Yes or No?

    Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

    5. Before time began God promised, He gave His word of eternal life and He gave His word that a man would be made perfect in order to become our source for that eternal life?

    Yes or No?

    #845628
    Jodi
    Participant

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    #845629
    Jodi
    Participant

    Ed J,

    Please answer my below questions,

    Titus 1:2 in the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time,

    1 Before time began God promised eternal life?  Yes or No?

    Hebrews 5:9 and being made perfect he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him,

    2 By Jesus being MADE perfect, he became the source for our salvation? Yes or No?

    Mark 10:45 For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

    3 The Son of Man came to SERVE and to give his life as a ransom? Yes or No?

    Luke 19:9 And Jesus said unto him,This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham. 10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

    4 Jesus is a son from the man Abraham  and he came to the people to seek and to save that which was lost? Yes or No?

    Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

    5 Before time began God promised, He gave His word of eternal life and He gave His word that a man would be made perfect in order to become our source for that eternal life?

    Yes or No?

    #845630
    Jodi
    Participant

    Ed J,

    Please answer my below questions,

    Titus 1:2 in the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time,

    Ed J, Before time began God promised eternal life?  Yes or No

    Hebrews 5:9 and being made perfect he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him,

    Ed J, By Jesus being MADE perfect, he became the source for our salvation? Yes or No

    Mark 10:45 For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

    Ed J, The Son of Man came to SERVE and to give his life as a ransom? Yes or No

    Luke 19:9 And Jesus said unto him,This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham. 10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

    Ed J,  Jesus is a son from the man Abraham  and he came to the people to seek and to save that which was lost? Yes or No?

    Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

    Ed J, Before time began God promised, He gave His word of eternal life and He gave His word that a man would be made perfect in order to become our source for that eternal life?

    Yes or No?

    #845631
    Jodi
    Participant

    Ed J,

    Please answer my below question,

    Titus 1:2 in the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time,

    1. Before time began God promised eternal life?  Yes or No?

    #845632
    Jodi
    Participant

    Ed J,

    Hebrews 5:9 and being made perfect he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him,

    2. By Jesus being MADE perfect, he became the source for our salvation? Yes or No?

    #845633
    Jodi
    Participant

    Ed J,

    Mark 10:45 For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

    3. The Son of Man came to SERVE and to give his life as a ransom? Yes or No

    Luke 19:9 And Jesus said unto him,This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham. 10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

    4.  Jesus is a son from the man Abraham  and he came to the people to seek and to save that which was lost? Yes or No?

    Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

    5. Before time began God promised, He gave His word of eternal life and He gave His word that a man would be made perfect in order to become our source for that eternal life?

    Yes or No?

    #845662
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Ed J and t8,
    God’s creation tells you that to be a HUMAN of which Jesus is called multiple time means that you are made from a human male sperm and a human female egg united together. You cannot be an actual man or huMAN if these TWO are not joined together,

    Hi Jodi,
    Your belief seems to be at odds with these Scripture. How do you account for this?
    Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
    Matthew 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

    Hi Jodi,

    Your words are a bit confusing, Jesus conception could not be a product of Joseph’s sperm
    and Mary’s conception also be a virgin conception. To me these both cannot be true.

    This is what I want you to explain, because to me they seem like apposing ideas.

    Thank you

    ____________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #845663
    Ed J
    Participant

    Edj….Emanuel, was a “name” given a son of Isaiah, which was a “sign” given to the king of Judah, to show him that God was “with him”. It was never meant the person with that name himself was GOD. Jesus was also a “sign” from GOD, that GOD is “with us”. HE was “in” THE MAN JESUS, via the Holy Spirit, reconciling the world unto himself. But none of that ever made Jesus, God himself.

    But this is a good example of how you people twist scriptures to try to make them say what in fact do not say..

    Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene

    Once again you are only tooting your own horn. Why don’t you engage in what others are saying? Do you not have a “Free Will”?

    #845664
    Ed J
    Participant

    Ed J,

    Please answer my below question,

    Titus 1:2 in the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time,

    1. Before time began God promised eternal life? Yes or No?

    Hi Jodi,

    In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

    1. Before time began God promised eternal life? Yes or No?

    No, the promise was made to us after the world began

    #845665
    Ed J
    Participant

    Ed J,

    Hebrews 5:9 and being made perfect he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him,

    2. By Jesus being MADE perfect, he became the source for our salvation? Yes or No?

    Yes, Jesus was made perfect ai his conception, not at some later time

    #845666
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Jody,
    So you claim John 17:5 is wrong? What do you say it ‘should’ say then?
    John 17:5
    “And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”
    Jody, I’m not interested in you explaining what you believe other versus mean, or what you believe the Bible means in general. Please explain only John 17:5 to us all, as it appears to be contradicting what you’re telling us you believe.
    Thank you,

    Ed J
    Before the world was, God had established promises, IN God’s word was the Son of Man, and IN that word that Son of Man HAD GLORY.
    The person speaking in John 17 Ed J, IS THAT SON of MAN, and he knew full well the glory that the Son of Man had with God before the world was. Jesus believed God’s PROMISE was true.

    Hi Jodi,

    So the Glory he had was in the form of “a promise”, is this what you are claiming?

    Jodi, please answer my question

    #845667
    Ed J
    Participant

    Ed J,

    Mark 10:45 For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

    3. The Son of Man came to SERVE and to give his life as a ransom? Yes or No

    Hi Jodi,

    You appear to be seeking reconciliation, so I’m waving the rule of taking turns to answer forced y/n questions.

    Yes, the son of man came down from heaven to do just that…

    John 3:13
    And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

    ____________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #845669
    Ed J
    Participant

    Ed J,

    Luke 19:9 And Jesus said unto him,This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham. 10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

    4. Jesus is a son from the man Abraham and he came to the people to seek and to save that which was lost? Yes or No?

    Hi Jodi,

    This is a two part question…

    4a Jesus is a son from the man Abraham?

    4a yes, through the virgin birth of his mother Mary, who was a descendent of Abraham.

    4b he came to the people to seek and to save that which was lost? Yes or No?

    Yes

    ____________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #845670
    Ed J
    Participant

    Ed J
    Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

    5. Before time began God promised, He gave His word of eternal life and He gave His word that a man would be made perfect in order to become our source for that eternal life?

    Yes or No?

    Hi Jodi,

    No to this question as asked

    This question has too many parts to it, you break it down yourself if you want to find reconciliation wth me…

    I waved the right to make you answer my questions in good faith, and I even broke down your questions for you into one part questions, but this one is too convoluted, so you need to break it down if you want a yes answer from me

    Don’t make the mistake of assuming you are right and I’m wrong because I answered “no”, because this question like your long posts is to convoluted to understand what point you are trying to make.

    I hope I have made myself clear

    #845671
    Jodi
    Participant

    Hi Ed J,

    Mary became pregnant to a human by the power of the Holy Spirit. God created the egg and the sperm to unite to create another human life.

    The son of David who would fulfill all of God’s will, was going to come to us strictly through God’s will and power, by a virgin birth. 

    God made humans to have an individual genetic code.  He made them male and female and had the life of another human be created by receiving half their genetic code one from a female egg and the other from a male sperm, where it is the sperm that decides whether a child is male or female. God can invent all that but He can’t take Mary’s egg and give it what it needs to be a human of the genes of David??

    Yes he can and we are told that is what He did. He created a human in Mary’s womb of the offspring of David who was a male.

    #845672
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Ed J,

    Mary became pregnant to a human by the power of the Holy Spirit. God created the egg and the sperm to unite to create another human life.

    The son of David who would fulfill all of God’s will, was going to come to us strictly through God’s will and power, by a virgin birth.

    Hi Jodi,

    Your answer is unclear???

    Who’s sperm are you assuming God created to have Mary conceive?

    1. David’s
    2. Joeseph’s
    3. Someone else’s?

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