Why is Jesus called the second Adam if you say he came from Adam???

[Jodi]

Hi Ed J,

1 Jesus is of the DNA of his Mother   – agree

2 Mary is of the linage of David – agree

3 Since Mary is of the lineage of David, then by proxy Jesus too is of the lineage of David. – agree

Here is one question for you,

1. Matthew gives us the book of the genealogy of Jesus and that book is also the book of the genealogy of Joseph. (agree/disagree)

[Ed J]

Hi Ed J,

I believe that it is logical that Luke is giving us Mary’s lineage from her father.

Ok, great we agree on that!

Then we both agree that Jesus is of the DNA of his Mother, and that she
is of the linage of David, which fulfills Jesus is of the linage of David.
Can you agree to that as well?

Hi Ed J,

No I do not agree

Hi Jodi, ok, let’s break it down then, and lets see what part you don’t agree with:

1 Jesus is of the DNA of his Mother (<– agree or disagree)

2 Mary is of the linage of David (<– agree or disagree)

3 Since Mary is of the lineage of David, then by proxy Jesus too is of the lineage of David. (<– agree or disagree)

Hi Ed J,

1 Jesus is of the DNA of his Mother – agree

2 Mary is of the linage of David – agree

3 Since Mary is of the lineage of David, then by proxy Jesus too is of the lineage of David. – agree

Jodi said:
Like I said you totally contradict yourself.

Hi Jodi,

Your own words speak out against you

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God bless
Ed J

[Ed J]

Ed J,

The problem is that you guys claim he is a man (human) but yet you say that he is MORE than a human,
well that’s not actually a human then, you guys are delusional.

Not so Jodi,

You are making another straw-man argument.
Neither me nor T8 never asserted any such thing!
Here is what Scripture says, and we both agree with it:

“For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that
he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God,
to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.” (Heb 2:16-17)

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God bless
Ed J

[Ed J]

Hi Ed J,

Here is one question for you,

(1a)Matthew gives us the book of the genealogy of Jesus (1b)and that book is also the book of the genealogy of Joseph. (agree/disagree)

Hi Jodi,

Your statement is implying that the two: [Jesus’ Genealogy and Joseph’s genealogy] are
synonymous with each other, which of coarse they are not, as Joseph is not Jesus’ father.
So lets unpack your question to its component parts (1a & 1b), like I did for my question:

1a) Agree – Jesus’ genealogy goes straight to God’s HolySpirit, Jesus’ Father…
…Matthew 1:18 & Matthew 1:20 clearly state Jesus’ Father is God’s HolySpirit!

1b) Agree – Joseph’s genealogy is from Matthew 1:2 through to Matthew 1:16.

[Jodi]

Hi Ed J,

No contradiction, you changed your wording leaving out a part the second time.

YOU: Then we both agree that Jesus is of the DNA of his Mother, and that she
is of the linage of David, which fulfills Jesus is of the linage of David.

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YOU: 3 Since Mary is of the lineage of David, then by proxy Jesus too is of the lineage of David.

ME: My disagreement in your first statement had everything to do with you speaking of “fulfillment”. 

1 Chronicles 17:11 And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom.

DETAILS, DETAILS!!

Not just of David’s seed, but specifically OF THY SONS. Matthew’s genealogy gives us that fulfillment, where Luke’s with Mary being a DAUGHTER of David does not.

 

 

[Jodi]

Hi Ed J,

Psalm 8:4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? 5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour. 6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:

First you have a man (enowsh -mortal human) who God is mindful of and visits and makes this mortal man a little lower than the angels.

Hebrews 2:6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? 7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands: 8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him. 9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. ..14 For as much then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. 17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

DETAILS, DETAILS!!

Did you catch it Ed J?

“It behoved him to be made like unto HIS BRETHREN” 

Jesus was made like his brethren, he is already one of the brethren according to this text and then he is made in some way like them. 

The text does not say Jesus was made into a man becoming one of the brethren. He is one of the brethren and then is made to be like them in some way, which was suffering through temptation.

Ed J, please play close attention to this as well!! 

Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Jesus took on the seed of Abraham, this is direct reference to Jesus becoming The Anointed One, as God promised unto Abraham’s seed. The seed of Abraham was to become the Christ, Jesus took up being THAT SEED of Abraham. The one who was to be anointed according to prophecy was to be a man whom God would direct all his ways, where he would not fail. The Christ was made like his brethren, where he was able to suffer temptation but yet remain without sin. 

A HUMAN was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, do you have any inclination as to what that means? 

Angels of God are sent to do deliver God’s word and do His work obeying all of God’s commands, Jesus was made like them upon being anointed, however he was made lower than them as they cannot die, he could die, that was his purpose. 

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