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Hi t8,
HOLD ON, you are MISSING somethings,
Jesus followed the will of God, not his own, he denied his own will. He also was said to be tempted like all men are tempted, yet he remained without sin.
He was a heavenly man according to his obedience, he did not fail as God directed all his ways.Though he most certainly had a spirit that God had called to righteousness making him heavenly, make no mistake his spirit dwelled in a weak mortal BODY, a NATURAL BODY.
1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.
CHRIST DIED, FOR AS IN ADAM ALL DIE.
BY MAN (ADAM) CAME DEATH, JESUS was a MAN that DIED, for as in Adam all die. Luke 3 tells you that he was a son of Adam. Likewise the ANOINTED who was SENT out into the world is the son of JESSE, also a son of Adam.
The MAN JESUS was RESURRECTED FROM the DEAD, FIRST IN AN ORDER among dead brethren.
Now t8, Paul TELLS YOU HOW the DEAD are RAISED in what BODY they COME, and JESUS BEING the FIRST, he is our example of a resurrected MAN.
If Jesus is from Adam as some here argue, then all will die and no one will live. Nick, Gene, and Jodi will not live if they confess they are of Adam and if their messiah is of Adam.
For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own turn: Christ the firstfruits; then at His coming, those who belong to Him.…
If Jesus is of Adam, then this is how it goes.
We die because we inherit Adam’s nature which leads to death. Next we are in Christ, so we will live. But wait up, wouldn’t you know it, Jesus Christ is of Adam, so he and all will also die. Oh well, never mind.
Eat drink, and be merry. No hope for anyone if the Ordinary Jesus Brigade is correct.
Hi T8
good point T8!
I found some new evidence that Proves Jodi’s position as unequivocally wrong.
You’re going to love it T8! But will Jodi accept it?
…we will see
Just posting this from born, begotten as it relates to this thread also.
T8 has quoted many wonderful scriptures under the born, begotten thread concerning Christ.
Now we know that the “natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.“ and that “it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.” And again “has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? “. (1 Corinthians chs 1&2)
Consequently we need the Spirit of God to reveal the things of God, for He is the only one who can and does lead us into all truth, that includes everything that Jesus is for Jesus is the truth.
“No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he has declared him.” (John 1:18; 1 John 4:12).
“He that has seen me has seen the Father” said Jesus to Phillip.
We are told that the Apostles saw, handled and touched the Word of Life, the Eternal Life in the person of Jesus (John 1 & 1 John 1). We are told he was both on earth and in heaven at the same time and came down from heaven (John 3:13), that God sent his son into the world (John 3:17 & many other scriptures). He is titled both the Son of God and the Son of Man.
If you come into a room you already exist outside the room. The one (the Eternal Life) who lived in Jesus the man pre-existed the world he created (Colossians 1:16-17).
Jesus was not born of Joseph’s seed (sperm) – (Matthew 1:20) – the Holy Spirit over shadowed Mary and the Holy thing conceived in her was the Son of God (Luke 1:35).
God gave him his divinity, The Virgin Mary gave him his humanity.
Being of Mary He came of the line of Israel, Son of David, Son of Abraham (Matthew 1) being of Mary He was Son of Adam/Man (Luke 3).
In this way God fulfilled his promises to man(kind) and Israel. God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself. (2 Corinthians 5:19).
Jesus never inherited sinful adamic nature being begotten of the Holy Spirit. He only became the last Adam at Calvary when God “made sin Him to be sin who knew no sin that we might become the righteousness of God in Him” (2 Corinthians 5:21). In this way the Adamic (old) man was crucified with Christ and buried in death, and when anyone is born of God they are baptised into Christ’s death, so they can by that quickening spirit that is Christ, rise with Christ into newness of life and live how he did, be seated where is seated. (Romans 6:3-14). Christ is the New Man(kind).
Adam was the first man(earthy), Christ the second Man (heavenly). “As we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.”
At the judgement to come Mankind will be judged by their attitude to the Father’s Son, Christ. (Matthew 25:31-46; Romans 2:16; 1 John 5:12)
When one yields themselves to God, Christ inhabits the pardoned sinner, saved by Grace, to live out His life in them, sealed by the Holy Spirit for the redemption of the purchased possession, saved from the wrath to come, at which time they will have their vile bodies transformed into the likeness of his body and be made a partaker of the new earth and new heavens, former things having passed away.
God gets His inheritance in the saints and the saints get theirinheritance in God.
Blessings all.
Just a couple short additions to my last post.
Jesus was not called the second Adam but the last Adam. He is called the second Man. This distinction is very important.
Jesus died the death we deserved but which he didn’t, so we could live the life we didn’t deserve and that only he has lived.
He bore mankind’s sins not his own, to pay the price of those sons (death), to pardon sins, to bury the old adamic man, to bodily rise having never seen corruption, and to ascend to pour out on believing mankind access to the sinless life he lived, the eternal life.
He did this out of love and freely, and it is accessible to those who believe and obey – by grace we are saved through faith and it is the gift of God. It cannot be earned.
This had to be a work only God in Christ could do, so that the man Christ Jesus could rise to be the first of many like sons of God.
Both persons, Adam and Jesus had no sin at the onset.
They were both given a commandment/commandments to obey.
Adam disobeyed and brought death, Jesus obeyed and brought eternal life.
1 Cor 15:45
So also it is written, “The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
Hi LU,
We are given 2 types of Adams/human beings in the bible.
The first type of human being represents a human that does not have all of our heavenly Father’s Spirit dwelling ALL IN. Without that full measure sin is inevitable, as we are told, the carnal mind is not subject to the law nor indeed can be, and that it is the Spirit that gives life the flesh profits nothing.
The second type of human being represents a human that does have the fullness of our heavenly Father’s Spirit dwelling ALL IN. With this full measure a human is able to walk in ALL of our Father’s ways.
Where there is sin there is thus the penalty of death.
Where there is perfection through our Father being eternally ALL IN you, there is life forever more.
Our heavenly Father MADE HUMAN BEINGS in His OWN IMAGE. Seems like most folks on this forum treat this word from our Father like total garbage.
To exist in our heavenly Father’s image you must have the fullness of His Spirit dwelling in you.
Hi Ed J,
Since this thread is titled Born and begotten, I thought this would be the appropriate place to discuss Jesus’s conception.
The ORIGIN of Jesus comes from the seed of Joseph of which occurred through the power of the Holy Spirit fulfilling prophecy.
Jodi,
You want me to prove to you Joseph is not Jesus biological father?
ME: I am interested in seeing what your proof is.
Hi Jodi, (this is the correct thread to discuss the matter on, taken from page 74)
I will answer your question in the next post. I’m using this post as a to link to the other thread.
This question has been imported to a thread where it can be easily found. Taken from this thread:Hi Ed J, (Imported from Page 1)
The ORIGIN of Jesus comes from the seed of Joseph of which occurred through the power of the Holy Spirit fulfilling prophecy.
Jodi, (Imported from linked thread: see page 17)
You want me to prove to you Joseph is not Jesus biological father?
ME: I am interested in seeing what your proof is.
Hi Jodi,
I’m glad you are willing to help me establish truth.
(watch from the beginning to time-stamp 6:15)_____________
God bless
Ed JHi Ed J,
Your video did not provide any ounce of proof to me at all, it’s an argument I am well aware of and have already discussed on this forum to be false.
Matthew gives us the generation (Genesis/origin, ancestry) of Jesus, the generations (Genea/fathered-of the same stock) of Jesus.
You don’t use the words “of the GENESIS of“, and the “GENEA” to be taken as equating to “adopted“, such an equation is total foolishness.
Matthews words should cause a person to take a good hard look as to what the prophet Jeremiah teaches.
Jeremiah 22: 24 As I live, saith the LORD, though Coniah the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah were the signet upon my right hand, yet would I pluck thee thence; 25 And I will give thee into the hand of them that seek thy life, and into the hand of them whose face thou fearest, even into the hand of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, and into the hand of the Chaldeans. 26 And I will cast thee out, and thy mother that bare thee, into another country, where ye were not born; and there shall ye die. 27 But to the land where unto they desire to return, thither shall they not return. 28 Is this man Coniah a despised broken idol? is he a vessel wherein is no pleasure? wherefore are they cast out, he and his seed, and are cast into a land which they know not? 29 O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the LORD. 30 Thus saith the LORD, Write ye this man childless, A MAN SHALL NOT PROSPER IN HIS DAYS, for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah.
Matthew certainly DOES NOT WRITE THIS MAN AS CHILDLESS, “11 And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon: 12 And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel;…” obviously God had mercy and lifted the curse.
The whole adopted thing itself doesn’t make sense to me at all. So Jesus is adopted as a son into a lineage whose sons cannot rule on the throne?? Seems to me if there was still a curse God wouldn’t have chosen for Jesus to be adopted by a son of Coniah at all in the first place!! Why would adopting someone as a son into a curse unto sons be any better than naturally being a son? What a foolish thing, to be an adopted son into a cursed family. Really, if your a natural son you don’t have a right to the throne, but if your an adopted son, you do? God puts a curse, and then has Jesus be adopted into it, when He could have just avoided this family line all together. The whole argument I find to be just ridiculous.
There is no adoption and there is no curse, and Matthew certainly does not write Coniah as childless.
Jeremiah said “in HIS DAYS”, which meant in Coniah’s lifetime he would not see his seed prosper or sit upon the throne of David ruling in Judah.
I have crossed out “any more”, because that is not in the original text it is inferred, even if it was an appropriate inference “any more” would apply unto the lifetime of Coniah.
Moreover, we know anyway that God gives His mercy and lifts judgments.
Later Jeremiah tells us that in fact Coniah’s seed is not cast out forever but is to be delivered, along with other descendants of David that were taken captive. The king who took Coniah’s place also was taken captive to Babylon, and there has never been a king over Judah since.
Jeremiah 28:1 And it came to pass the same year, in the beginning of the reign of Zedekiah king of Judah, in the fourth year, and in the fifth month, that Hananiah the son of Azur the prophet, which was of Gibeon, spake unto me in the house of the LORD, in the presence of the priests and of all the people, saying, 2 Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, saying, I have broken the yoke of the king of Babylon. 3 Within two full years will I bring again into this place all the vessels of the LORD’S house, that Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon took away from this place, and carried them to Babylon: 4 And I will bring again to this place Jeconiah the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah, with all the captives of Judah, that went into Babylon, saith the LORD: for I will break the yoke of the king of Babylon. 5 Then the prophet Jeremiah said unto the prophet Hananiah in the presence of the priests, and in the presence of all the people that stood in the house of the LORD, 6 Even the prophet Jeremiah said, Amen: the LORD do so: the LORD perform thy words which thou hast prophesied, to bring again the vessels of the LORD’S house, and all that is carried away captive, from Babylon into this place.
There is a difference between what Jeremiah confirmed was prophecy from the full prophecy that Hananiah gave. Hananiah said deliverance would come in 2 years, and this was a lie and he is punished for it. Jeremiah prophecies that it would be 70 years, and Coniah in that time does die, but his seed is delivered.
Jeremiah 29:10 For thus saith the LORD, That after seventy years be accomplished at Babylon I will visit you, and perform my good word toward you, in causing you to return to this place.
Jeremiah 33:14 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will perform that good thing which I have promised unto the house of Israel and to the house of Judah. 15 In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land. 16 In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The LORD our righteousness. 17 For thus saith the LORD; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel; 18 Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually. 19 And the word of the LORD came unto Jeremiah, saying, 20 Thus saith the LORD; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season; 21 Then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, my ministers. 22 As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured: so will I multiply the seed of David my servant, and the Levites that minister unto me. 23 Moreover the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah, saying, 24 Considerest thou not what this people have spoken, saying, The two families which the LORD hath chosen, he hath even cast them off? thus they have despised my people, that they should be no more a nation before them. 25 Thus saith the LORD; If my covenant be not with day and night, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth; 26 Then will I cast away the seed of Jacob, and David my servant, so that I will not take any of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: for I will cause their captivity to return, and have mercy on them.
God delivers and gives mercy, including those of the seed of Coniah, the curse is lifted, there names are written, they return to their land, and likewise they have a right to the throne of David.
Hi Ed J,
Prophecy was that first you have a son of David who would come from David’s sons. Matthew gives us those sons who link Jesus directly to David. The text is NOT AN ADOPTION, but gives us the very genes, the very stock to which Jesus comes from, his ancestry.
Prophecy is first you have a Son of Man who then God is mindful of and visits, makes this human a little lower than the elohiym, has him suffer, and then crowns him with glory and honor and gives him dominion over all the works of His hands.
First you have a son of David and God promises to give him an eternal throne, God promises that He will be a Father unto him, never take His mercy away from him.
Prophecy tells us that God would not allow for Ephraim to take over Judah and put a man from their tribe on David’s throne. God’s promise still stood, that not only a son of David would rule over Judah but this son would be a savior of all of Israel and have an everlasting throne. This son of David God promised would come according to a sign, so that the house of David would identify him, that sign was a virgin birth.
We do not change God’s purpose for the sign, though people treat it not as a sign at all, instead they turn it into a birth of a mangod, fully man fully God, or some other imagined being. It is a virgin birth to that of the promised son of David.
Jesus as the only begotten Son of God is not him as a one of a kind being, it is him as the only mortal human to have been begotten of God’s Spirit without measure, where he is a Son because by that Spirit he is in all things led by God.
The Messiah to come was said that he would be a human, Jesus is born and is said to be a human. We know exactly how God’s law as to how humans are made works, Mary needed the specific chromosomes that come directly from a man’s sperm, and by the power of God’s Holy Spirit God provided, so that the sign could be fulfilled. Virgin births are no miracle today, man now has the wisdom and power themselves to cause a virgin to become pregnant.
Jesus is never called the second Adam in scripture. He is called the last Adam and the Second Man. Very important and significant distinctions.
“And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.” 1Co 15:45
“The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.” 1Co 15:47
Hi Jodi,
Are you saying God lied when he said this:
“for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah.” (Jer 22:30)
The solution is: the virgin birth. Jesus only had one human parent, Mary. His mother was of David’s line,
but not through Jeconiah (Luke 3:31). Joseph was Jesus’ legal father, but not His physical one. Thus, Jesus
was of royal blood through Mary, but the curse of Jeconiah stopped with Joseph and was not passed on to Jesus.____________
God bless
Ed JJesus is never called the second Adam in scripture. He is called the last Adam and the Second Man. Very important and significant distinctions.
“And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.” 1Co 15:45
“The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.” 1Co 15:47
Hi Pilgrim, know you facts:
“The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which
is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the
earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.” (1 Cor 15:45-49)Thank you for joining the thread!
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God bless
Ed JGood Morning Ed J,
I know my post was long, but you missed key things that I said which makes your response to me, asking me if God lied, completely ridiculous.
First of all, I said, “we know anyway that God gives His mercy and lifts judgments”
Lifting a judgment does not make God a liar, it means God gives His mercy.
Jer 22:27 But to the land where unto they desire to return, thither shall they not return. 28 Is this man Coniah a despised broken idol? is he a vessel wherein is no pleasure? wherefore are they cast out, he and his seed, and are cast into a land which they know not? 29 O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the LORD. 30 Thus saith the LORD, Write ye this man childless, a man shall not prosper in his days, for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling in Judah.
Ed J, God gives mercy his seed is delivered along with the other captives and are allowed to return, AFTER GOD said “they SHALL NOT return.”
God said to write this man as childless, this too obviously was lifted as Matthew indeed writes down his children.
REALLY ED J, God decided to lift his judgement and allow Coniah’s seed to return, he lifted his judgment that his children could be counted and written as existing, but we are suppose to believe that He did not lift the part where his children could have a right to the throne?
I will say it again, Matthew did not use the words “of the GENESIS of“, and the “GENEA” to be taken as equating to “adopted“, such an equation is total foolishness.
Matthew makes it obvious that the curse was lifted, just as the other parts of the curse were lifted. The names are written because Coniah’s seed has a right to the throne. Matthew directly links Jesus to Joseph genetically, this shouldn’t even be up for debate it’s directly given in the text.
Hi Ed J,
YOU:
The solution is: the virgin birth. Jesus only had one human parent, Mary. His mother was of David’s line,
but not through Jeconiah (Luke 3:31). Joseph was Jesus’ legal father, but not His physical one. Thus, Jesus
was of royal blood through Mary, but the curse of Jeconiah stopped with Joseph and was not passed on to Jesus.ME: The virgin birth was not a solution to a curse, you are just making stuff up Ed J to fit a problem that doesn’t even exist, this isn’t truth, stick to the truth.
Go read Isaiah 7. The virgin birth was for a SIGN unto the house of David, for it was under perceived threat to be taken over by another tribe, and God said that He would not have it. God keeps His promise, “And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom.” …”12 He shall build me an house, and I will stablish his throne for ever. 13 I will be his father, and he shall be my son: and I will not take my mercy away from him, as I took it from him that was before thee:”.
The virgin birth is not for fixing a problem, stick to the TRUTH.
God would bring forth the promised son of David through a SIGN, the sign is a virgin birth.
FIRST you have a son of David, promised to be born of a sign, a virgin birth, THEN God becomes a Father unto him just as He had promised David.
Ed J, stick to the truth, I am not sure exactly what your position is at this point but,
There is no Son of God that exists in God’s house when God makes this promise to David. God DOES NOT say that He is going to send down and already existing Son of His to be made into a son of David, that is a LIE against what is directly written. Likewise God DOES NOT promise David that He is going to become David’s son in law through making a baby with one of David’s daughters. GOOD GRIEF, that is not just a total LIE but total foolishness.
Matthew directly links Jesus to Joseph genetically, this shouldn’t even be up for debate it’s directly given in the text.
Jodi,
The virgin birth discounts your idea, and so does this:
“for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah.” (Jer 22:30)
But it goes to show, once a person has their mind made up, even clear Scripture will not change it.
Just like Hebrews 11:3 clearly indicates Jesus cannot be the word because he appeared in the visible._____________
God bless
Ed JJodi,
Here is yet another clear Scripture (Luke 20:41-44):
“41 And he (Christ) said unto them,
How (Jodi and others) say they that Christ is David’s son?42 And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD (JEHOVAH) said unto my Lord (Christ),
Sit thou on my right hand, 43 Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.44 David therefore calleth him (Christ) Lord, how then is he (Christ) his (David’s) son?
Joseph was NOT Christ’s biological father. You clearly got this wrong.
The second Adam (Last for Pilgrim) is (Christ) the Lord from Heaven Jodi! (see Micah 5:2)____________
God bless
Ed JHi Ed J,
Why do you ignore my points, refusing now twice to not even mention them?
Ed J, God is not a liar when He brings forth mercy from given judgements.
God said that they shall not return, but He gave mercy and they did return. God said to render Jeconiah childless, but God had mercy and he did have children and those names are written. We see later in chapter 22 of Jeremiah that it is King Zedekiah who took Jeconiah’s place that he is not only also taken captive but it is he who is rendered childless having his sons be killed right before his eyes.
Jeconiah did not stay a prisoner, “brought him forth out of prison, and spake kindly unto him, and set his throne above the throne of the kings that were with him in Babylon,”
Jeconiah’s grandson, though he was never a king, he did prosper governing, he returned from captivity and even built the second temple.
This is what is significant, compare,
Jeremiah 22:24 As I live, saith the LORD, though Coniah the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah were the signet upon my right hand, yet would I pluck thee thence; 25 And I will give thee into the hand of them that seek thy life, and into the hand of them whose face thou fearest, even into the hand of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, and into the hand of the Chaldeans.
Haggai 22: 20 And again the word of the LORD came unto Haggai in the four and twentieth day of the month, saying, 21 Speak to Zerubbabel, governor of Judah, saying, I will shake the heavens and the earth; 22 And I will overthrow the throne of kingdoms, and I will destroy the strength of the kingdoms of the heathen; and I will overthrow the chariots, and those that ride in them; and the horses and their riders shall come down, every one by the sword of his brother. 23 In that day, saith the LORD of hosts, will I take thee, O Zerubbabel, my servant, the son of Shealtiel, saith the LORD, and will make thee as a signet: for I have chosen thee, saith the LORD of hosts.
Jewish scholars believe that this was God declaring that the Messiah would come from the seed of Zerubbabel. Both Zerubbabel and Shealtiel are in both lineages in Matthew and Mark, where scholars likewise say that they represent the same people and thus Luke’s lineage is ALSO OF Jeconiah.
The curse was lifted, as said God in fact gives mercy upon judgements, and we are given direct scriptures in the OT that God did in fact give mercy upon the judgements He gave to Jeconiah. Matthew gives us further proof it does not speak of an adoption, it establishes directly that Jesus is of the genes of not just David but also Abraham. Mathew 1 is to NOT ONLY establish that Jesus is the promised son of David who would be of David’s sons and receive an eternal throne, but it establishes that he is also the promised seed of Abraham through whom all nations would be blessed.
1 Chronicles 17: 11 And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom.
Gal 3: 16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. 17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. 18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. 19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Matthew 1:1 The record of the genealogy of Jesus the Messiah, the son of David, the son of Abraham:
Ed J, I am not making God into a liar, but acknowledging His given mercy, and His WORD brought to us by Matthew.
Hi Ed J,
YOU:
Jodi,
The virgin birth discounts your idea, and so does this:
“for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah.” (Jer 22:30)
ME: First of all scripture is not “my idea”, second, what are you trying to say, that God has LIMITED POWER?
Jesus in Matthew is declared to be OF the seed of David and Abraham through Joseph, God uses His Holy Spirit to provide the virgin Mary with that seed, such is not even a miracle today, human doctors can cause a virgin to become pregnant.
Clear scripture is what in fact makes my mind up.
Matthew begins by telling us Jesus is of the genes of Joseph making him of the genes of both David and Abraham, which would fulfill God’s word.
Just after the given genealogy Matthew tells us that the birth of Jesus that was on the wise, comes through the power of God’s Holy Spirit bringing forth a conception unto Joseph’s betrothed wife before they had come together, which thus fulfills God’s word of a virgin birth.
Hi Ed J,
Jesus according to scripture is the genetic son of Joseph who is of the house of David. Joseph would have came together with Mary and had Jesus the natural way, but God promised a son through the house of David by a SIGN of a virgin birth, so God brought forth Joseph’s son through the power of His Holy Spirit.
You seem to be denying scripture, not acknowledging God’s word that first you have a son of David and then God becomes a Father to him, and that first you have a son of Jesse and then God begets him with His Spirit in full measure, called an anointing, to then send him out into the world where he comes not of his own will, but is sent directly from heaven, from the will of God.
John 1:14 is the word of God (Isaiah 11, 42, 61) made true in the flesh, where His Spirit comes to rest upon Jesus making him God’s only begotten Son.
14 And the Word (Isaiah 11, 42, 61) was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Isaiah 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles…..6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
The anointing of Jesus at the river Jordan where he became the Christ, was also him becoming God’s only begotten Son, as he was anointed with God’s Spirit without measure. Why God declares at that moment that THIS is His beloved Son. Why we see this is when the Son is SENT, and why we read that Christ didn’t come unto until AFTER the baptism John preached.
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