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Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 19 2014,19:00) For the reasons spelled out by t8
seekingtruth.God said I kill and make alive,I create evil,
I DO ALL THESE THINGS.
YOU ARE AGAINST GOD STATEMENT
NOT MINE.
You are free to believe what you believe.wakeup.
Wakeup,
Eleven Out of nineteen translations (on Biblegateway) translate ra' not as “evil” but as “disaster”, “calamity”
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the Lord, do all these things.
However it is the whole of scripture that gives us the correct understanding that the word chosen, intended to relay to us. In this case I believe that the whole of scripture teaches us that God is love and incapable of creating evil however He is deeply concerned with exposing it and helping us to understand it
Romans 7:13 Does this mean that something that is good brought death to me? No, it was sin that used the good command to bring me death. This shows how terrible sin really is. It can use a good command to produce a result that shows sin at its very worst.Wm
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 19 2014,14:58) Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 19 2014,19:00) For the reasons spelled out by t8
seekingtruth.God said I kill and make alive,I create evil,
I DO ALL THESE THINGS.
YOU ARE AGAINST GOD STATEMENT
NOT MINE.
You are free to believe what you believe.wakeup.
wPs 103:6 The LORD works righteousness
and justice for all the oppressed.(true believers)Ps 103:8 The LORD is compassionate and gracious,
slow to anger, abounding in love.Ps 103:10 he does not treat us as our sins deserve
or repay us according to our iniquities.
Ps 103:11 For as high as the heavens are above the earth,
so great is his love for those who fear him;
Ps 103:12 as far as the east is from the west,
so far has he removed our transgressions from us.Ps 103:17 But from everlasting to everlasting
the LORD'S love is with those who fear him,
and his righteousness with their children’s children—
Ps 103:18 with those who keep his covenant
and remember to obey his precepts.THEIR COULD BE NO “EVIL” IN GOD ALMIGHTY UNLESS YOU ARE EVIL MINDED
T.
I agree with those scriptures.
God is good.
God is love.etc.etc.
But also can do everyrhing: I claim He has no limits.
You claim he has *LIMITS*.Without evil, God's plan will not work.
Therefore He also created Evil,which you and others can not comprehend.
No one created lucifer but God.
No one gave the serpent permission to interfere in His creation but God.He *KNEW* that he was creating evil,but He did it.
You can say what you want: that lucifer was created good.
But ignoring the fact that God *KNEW* He was creating an evil angel.He *KNEW* it,He *KNEW* it.He also chose Judas as one of Jesus apostles.
*KNOWING* that he is a devil.Judas was also given charge of the money,God worked it all out.
God also send Joseph and his family to Egypt to be made slaves. GOD KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING.
Dont say that God did not know, that Jacob's children will be oppressed slaves in Egypt.wakeup.
Wakeup,
I believe lucifer was created blameless:Ezekiel 28:14 You were an anointed guardian cherub. I placed you; you were on the holy mountain of God; in the midst of the stones of fire you walked. 15 You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created, till unrighteousness was found in you.16 In the abundance of your trade you were filled with violence in your midst, and you sinned; so I cast you as a profane thing from the mountain of God, and I destroyed you O guardian cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
Until “unrighteousness was found” (seemingly discovered) what verse do you use that say's God knowingly created satan as evil?Wm
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 20 2014,02:33) T. I agree with those scriptures.
God is good.
God is love.etc.etc.
But also can do everyrhing: I claim He has no limits.
You claim he has *LIMITS*.Without evil, God's plan will not work.
Therefore He also created Evil,which you and others can not comprehend.
No one created lucifer but God.
No one gave the serpent permission to interfere in His creation but God.He *KNEW* that he was creating evil,but He did it.
You can say what you want: that lucifer was created good.
But ignoring the fact that God *KNEW* He was creating an evil angel.He *KNEW* it,He *KNEW* it.He also chose Judas as one of Jesus apostles.
*KNOWING* that he is a devil.Judas was also given charge of the money,God worked it all out.
God also send Joseph and his family to Egypt to be made slaves. GOD KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING.
Dont say that God did not know, that Jacob's children will be oppressed slaves in Egypt.wakeup.
WQuote He also chose Judas as one of Jesus apostles.
*KNOWING* that he is a devil.Judas was also given charge of the money,God worked it all out.
God also send Joseph and his family to Egypt to be made slaves. GOD KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING.
Dont say that God did not know, that Jacob's children will be oppressed slaves in Egypt.YOU HAVE MUCH TO LEARN IN SCRIPTURES .
NO ONE AS PUT PRESSURE OR GIVE BAD ADVISE TO JUDAS ,DURING THE 3.5 YEARS HE COULD HAVE LEARN BUT HE DID NOT ,HE DID IT IN HIS WAY THINKING ON HIS OWN FOR WHAT GREW IN HIS HEART ,AND IT WAS SO EASY TO CORRUPT HIM JUST SHOW THE MONEY
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2014,13:06) Ps 103:6 The LORD works righteousness
and justice for all the oppressed.(true believers)Ps 103:8 The LORD is compassionate and gracious,
slow to anger, abounding in love.Ps 103:10 he does not treat us as our sins deserve
or repay us according to our iniquities.
Ps 103:11 For as high as the heavens are above the earth,
so great is his love for those who fear him;
Ps 103:12 as far as the east is from the west,
so far has he removed our transgressions from us.Ps 103:17 But from everlasting to everlasting
the LORD'S love is with those who fear him,
and his righteousness with their children’s children—
Ps 103:18 with those who keep his covenant
and remember to obey his precepts.
terraricca,
Good scriptures and there are probably at least a hundred more just like it.Wm
skt
yes ,their are full of them in the Palms ,and Isaiah book
that is why thier is no evil in God , only JUSTICE FOR THE RIGHTEOUS
Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 20 2014,10:03) Wakeup,
I believe lucifer was created blameless:Ezekiel 28:14 You were an anointed guardian cherub. I placed you; you were on the holy mountain of God; in the midst of the stones of fire you walked. 15 You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created, till unrighteousness was found in you.16 In the abundance of your trade you were filled with violence in your midst, and you sinned; so I cast you as a profane thing from the mountain of God, and I destroyed you O guardian cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
Until “unrighteousness was found” (seemingly discovered) what verse do you use that say's God knowingly created satan as evil?Wm
Seekingtruth.I agree,but God also knew that he is creating a
sly,proud Cherub.
If I know *for sure* that a motor bike is going to cause the death of my son.I will not give him a motor bike.wakeup.
wakeup,
Thanks for the memory, your post made me smile, my mother was convinced that if I got a motorcycle (as a teenager) I would be dead in no time, well that was 44 years ago. Then a couple of years ago (at 72) she actually went for a ride with me (for a couple of hours!) and loved it.If you would please provide what verse you use that say's God knowingly created satan as evil?
Thanks – Wm
Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 21 2014,08:58) wakeup,
Thanks for the memory, your post made me smile, my mother was convinced that if I got a motorcycle (as a teenager) I would be dead in no time, well that was 44 years ago. Then a couple of years ago (at 72) she actually went for a ride with me (for a couple of hours!) and loved it.If you would please provide what verse you use that say's God knowingly created satan as evil?
Thanks – Wm
Seekingtruth.You know that God can see things ahead of time.
All the prophesies are of things ahead of time,
or they are no prophesies.wakeup.
wakeup,
No, that is the problem, I do not know that God knows the future, beyond what a being with infinite knowledge and infinite power can proclaim will happen (and cause to happen). That is why I'm scouring scripture to determine what the truth is, I'm not looking for opinions but what scripture teaches. So please post any scriptures you have.Thanks – Wm
Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 21 2014,10:14) wakeup,
No, that is the problem, I do not know that God knows the future, beyond what a being with infinite knowledge and infinite power can proclaim will happen (and cause to happen). That is why I'm scouring scripture to determine what the truth is, I'm not looking for opinions but what scripture teaches. So please post any scriptures you have.Thanks – Wm
Seekingtruth.ALL FUTURE:BEFOREHAND FORETOLD.
TAKE YOUR TIME TO READ.Isaiah 14:1 For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and *WILL* yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers *SHALL* be joined with them, and they *SHALL* cleave to the house of Jacob.
Isaiah 14:2 And the people SHALL* take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel *SHALL* possess them in the land of the LORD for servants and handmaids: and they *SHALL* take them captives, whose captives they were; and they *SHALL* rule over their oppressors.
Isaiah 14:3 And it *SHALL* come to pass in the day that the LORD *SHALL* give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,
Isaiah 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!
(KING OF BABYLON HERE IS SPEAKING OF SATAN).Isaiah 14:5 The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.
Isaiah 14:6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.
(SATAN RULED THE NATIONS).(THE KING OF THIS WORLD).Isaiah 14:7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.
Isaiah 14:8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.
SATAN *WILL* BE IN PRISON AND THE WORLD *WILL* REJOICE,AND LIVE IN PEACE).REV.20.Isaiah 14:9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
Isaiah 14:10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
(SATANS POWER TAKEN AWAY).Isaiah 14:11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
(LUCIFER *WILL*FALL:FUTURE).Isaiah 14:13 For thou *HAST* said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:(ISAIAH.14. JER.28.).
Isaiah 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Isaiah 14:15 Yet thou *SHALT* be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Isaiah 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, **that did shake kingdoms**;
Isaiah 14:17 That made *the world* as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
Isaiah 14:18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.
Isaiah 14:19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
Isaiah 14:20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.
Isaiah 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.
Isaiah 14:22 For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD.
Isaiah 14:23 I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will sweep it with the besom of destruction, saith the LORD of hosts.
Isaiah 14:24 The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying,
***Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass***;
and as ***I have purposed, so shall it stand***:Isaiah 14:25 That I *WILL* break the Assyrian in my land, and upon my mountains tread him under foot: then shall his yoke depart from off them, and his burden depart from off their shoulders.(ASSYRIAN=SATAN=LUCIFER).
Isaiah 14:26 ***This is the purpose that is purposed
upon the whole earth***:
***and this is the hand that is stretched out
upon all the nations***.Isaiah 14:27 ***For the LORD of hosts hath purposed***,
***and who shall disannul it***?
***and HIS hand is stretched out, and who shall turn
it back?***Isaiah 14:28 In the year that king Ahaz died was this burden.(THIS PROPHECY WAS GIVEN AFTER KING AHAZ DIED).
Isaiah 14:29 Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent's root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent.
Isaiah 14:30 And the firstborn of the poor shall feed, and the needy *SHALL* lie down in safety: and I will kill thy root with famine, and he shall slay thy remnant.
Isaiah 14:31 Howl, O gate; cry, O city; thou, whole Palestina, art dissolved: for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times.
(PALESTINA=ISLAM).Isaiah 14:32 What shall one then answer the messengers of the nation? That the LORD hath founded Zion, and the poor of his people shall trust in it.
IT IS LONG;BUT WORTHED.
He who wants to learn *SHALL* find the *WHOLE* truth.wakup.
Actually one of your scriptures kind of supports my premise:
Isaiah 14:24 The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying,***Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass***;
and as ***I have purposed, so shall it stand***:
It does not say “I have foresaw it, so shall it stand” but “I have purposed, so shall it stand”.All the other scriptures you listed (to me) show that God has a plan, and the knowledge and power to see it done, demonstrating it for all to see.
As we seem to have wandered off topic now why don't we move this part of the discussion to the “Does god know the future” thread
Thanks – Wm
Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 21 2014,19:51) Actually one of your scriptures kind of supports my premise:
Isaiah 14:24 The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying,***Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass***;
and as ***I have purposed, so shall it stand***:
It does not say “I have foresaw it, so shall it stand” but “I have purposed, so shall it stand”.All the other scriptures you listed (to me) show that God has a plan, and the knowledge and power to see it done, demonstrating it for all to see.
As we seem to have wandered off topic now why don't we move this part of the discussion to the “Does god know the future” thread
Thanks – Wm
Seekingtruth.I will be there answering your questions,
and we can discus.wakeup.
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