Why is it impossible for God to be or do evil

[terraricca]

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You worship a God that has limits in doing things.

God cannot lie

God cannot destroy himself

God cannot do evil

if any one of those quotes is supported as can do in your bible burn it it is of the devil

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 15 2014,15:39)

w Quote You worship a God that has limits in doing things. God cannot lie God cannot destroy himself God cannot do evil if any one of those quotes is supported as can do in your bible burn it it is of the devil

T.

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God cannot do evil

Scriptures please.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 15 2014,15:39) w Quote You worship a God that has limits in doing things. God cannot lie God cannot destroy himself God cannot do evil if any one of those quotes is supported as can do in your bible burn it it is of the devil T. Quote God cannot do evil Scriptures please. wakeup.

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You tell me what evil means. And then I show you that God cannot do it and why

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 15 2014,06:58)

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 15 2014,03:55) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 15 2014,03:30) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 15 2014,02:55) T, Before Eve sinned man was not like the gods, knowing both good and evil.  Man was like the gods in not being subject to death.  After man Adam and Eve sinned man was like the gods in knowing both good and evil but unlike the gods in they were now subject to death.  The only thing that flesh and bone man lacked in being like the gods at the earlier time was to eat of the fruit of the tree of life.  God clearly did not want man to do that at that time as he shut them of from Eden and the tree of life that was in the midst of the garden.  It is only when Judgement is past that man will be found worthy to become the gods. k Quote Man was like the gods in not being subject to death this is false ;unless you show me a scripture ; i understand that Adam the man received full authority over the earth ;and it is for that reason that he was a god just like Moses was a god to Aaron ;god = mighty one Adam life's ad nothing to do with it nor is sin ;look at Satan was he not called the god of this world yes and yet he sinned and fall down of his glory in heaven. Adam ans Eve did not know evil ,the fact that they were naked can tell you that ,but they knew only one way ,righteousness meaning obey God , the tree presented two things what was right and wrong  way the tree only provided THE KNOWLEDGE THEIR OF ,THIS ALSO WAS UNDERSTOOD OF WHAT THEY DID WHEN THE ANGEL OF GOD CALLED THEM “THEY KNEW THAT THEY WERE NAKED ; WHO TOLD THEM THIS IS KNOWLEDGE  IN UNDERSTANDING WHEN YOU HAVE TWO OPTIONS RIGHT AND WRONG T, Genesis 3:3 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 3 but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. This is written as a warning to adam that he would die if he touched, much less ate the fruit if the tree in the midst of the garden.   A.  Adam would die even if he did not eat of the fruit. B.  Adam would not die unless he touched or ate of the fruit. In the first case God's warning means little or nothing as Adam would die anyways. In the second case God's warning means adam would become mortal. 1 Corinthians 15:21 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. If death was in the world before adam sinned then death did not come by adam. K Quote 1 Corinthians 15:21 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. If death was in the world before adam sinned then death did not come by adam. ————– DOES PAUL TALKS ABOUT  MEN AND ANIMALS OR ONLY MEN IT SEEMS TO ME ONLY MEN COULD SIN ON EARTH ,RIGHT SO PAUL TALKS ABOUT AFTER THE PROBLEM OF ADAM SIN NO BEFORE Quote A.  Adam would die even if he did not eat of the fruit. B.  Adam would not die unless he touched or ate of the fruit. In the first case God's warning means little or nothing as Adam would die anyways. In the second case God's warning means adam would become mortal. YOUR PART “B” SEEMS THE RIGHT ONE

T,

I agree that man became mortal because he chose to both touch and eat of the deadly fruit.

Paul was probably speaking about humans in the passage I quoted but there is another that speaks of creation being subjected to frustration.

[seekingtruth]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 14 2014,23:10)

Seeking truth. Now you are bashing the Holy bible, because it is not saying what you want to hear. Jehovah Jereh.The Lord will provide us with the right book for us to seek. Do you agree with this one: I kill and make alive. Is killing not evil? The law says: Thou shalt not kill. wakeup.

Wakeup,
Who's bashing the Holy Bible… you mis-quote it.

A correct translation of Exodus 20:13 does not state “Thou shalt not kill.” but “You shall not murder. Big difference, killing is not necessarily evil, but murder is.

Numbers 35:26-27 “You must never go outside the limits of your city of safety. If you do and if a member of the dead person’s family catches you and kills you, that family member will not be guilty of murder.

Wm

[terraricca]

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, I agree that man became mortal because he chose to both touch and eat of the deadly fruit.

Adam and Eve could not eat the fruit without touching it ;so the reason I think it is mention is that touch would act as a enticing agent ,just as looking at it in the way of desiring it

[Wakeup]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 15 2014,21:39)

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 14 2014,23:10) Seeking truth. Now you are bashing the Holy bible, because it is not saying what you want to hear. Jehovah Jereh.The Lord will provide us with the right book for us to seek. Do you agree with this one: I kill and make alive. Is killing not evil? The law says: Thou shalt not kill. wakeup. Wakeup, Who's bashing the Holy Bible… you mis-quote it. A correct translation of Exodus 20:13 does not state “Thou shalt not kill.” but “You shall not murder. Big difference, killing is not necessarily evil, but murder is. Numbers 35:26-27 “You must never go outside the limits of your city of safety. If you do and if a member of the dead person’s family catches you and kills you, that family member will not be guilty of murder. Wm

Seekingtruth.

Did Cain kill Abel or murdered abel?
I agree with you that there are killings done
during Wars,and there are killings, because of hate and jealousy,and greed.

wakeup.

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 15 2014,15:39)

w Quote You worship a God that has limits in doing things. God cannot lie God cannot destroy himself God cannot do evil if any one of those quotes is supported as can do in your bible burn it it is of the devil

T.

How wrong can one get.
Have you tested God,if he could lie or not?
Did not the Holy spirit kill the husband and wife instantly?
Did God not kill herod with worms.
Did not the angel of God kill 85000 assyrians?

GOD CAN DO ALL THOSE THINGS,BUT HE CHOSE NOT TO.

You need to burn your bible,it is of the devil.

wakeup.

[seekingtruth]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 15 2014,16:43)

Seekingtruth. Did Cain kill Abel or murdered abel? I agree with you that there are killings done during Wars,and there are killings, because of hate and jealousy,and greed. wakeup.

Actually both. He killed him, but it seems we both agree that wouldn't necessarily mean he murdered him. However I believe most would agree in this case it was murder.

Wm

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 16 2014,02:51)

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 15 2014,15:39) w Quote You worship a God that has limits in doing things. God cannot lie God cannot destroy himself God cannot do evil if any one of those quotes is supported as can do in your bible burn it it is of the devil T. How wrong can one get. Have you tested God,if he could lie or not? Did not the Holy spirit kill the husband and wife instantly? Did God not kill herod with worms. Did not the angel of God kill 85000 assyrians? GOD CAN DO ALL THOSE THINGS,BUT HE CHOSE NOT TO. You need to burn your bible,it is of the devil. wakeup.

W

FIRST YOU HAVE TO CORRECT YOUR STATEMENT

1) IT WAS 185000 KILLED OVER NIGHT

2) YOU SHOULD READ ABOUT HEROD MORE

3) DID YOU NOT KNOW THAT GOD IS A GOD OF TRUTH ? OR DID YOU MISS THAT

4) ANANIAS /SEPHORA HIS WIVE STORY ,YOU ALSO SHOULD READ IT MORE CAREFULLY ,YOU MISSING THE POINTS

IT SEEMS YOU DON'T KNOW YOUR GOD OR IS IT JEHOVAH YOUR GOD HE HIS MINE

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 16 2014,09:57)

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 16 2014,02:51) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 15 2014,15:39) w Quote You worship a God that has limits in doing things. God cannot lie God cannot destroy himself God cannot do evil if any one of those quotes is supported as can do in your bible burn it it is of the devil T. How wrong can one get. Have you tested God,if he could lie or not? Did not the Holy spirit kill the husband and wife instantly? Did God not kill herod with worms. Did not the angel of God kill 85000 assyrians? GOD CAN DO ALL THOSE THINGS,BUT HE CHOSE NOT TO. You need to burn your bible,it is of the devil. wakeup. W FIRST YOU HAVE TO CORRECT YOUR STATEMENT 1) IT WAS 185000  KILLED OVER NIGHT 2) YOU SHOULD READ ABOUT HEROD MORE 3) DID YOU NOT KNOW THAT GOD IS A GOD OF TRUTH ? OR DID YOU MISS THAT 4) ANANIAS /SEPHORA HIS WIVE  STORY ,YOU ALSO SHOULD READ IT MORE CAREFULLY ,YOU MISSING THE POINTS IT SEEMS YOU DON'T KNOW YOUR GOD OR IS IT JEHOVAH YOUR GOD HE HIS MINE

T.

You said God can NOT DO CERTAIN THINGS,
but no scriptures.

I say God can do everything,but He chose not to do
some of those things.

Your God is limited,He can not do everything.

Show us the scriptures.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

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[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 16 2014,11:19)

SENSELESS ANSWER

T.

Why can you not show some scriptures.
So we can increase in knowledge?

wakeup.

[Proclaimer]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 16 2014,11:31)

T. You said God can NOT DO CERTAIN THINGS, but no scriptures. I say God can do everything,but He chose not to do some of those things. Your God is limited,He can not do everything. Show us the scriptures. wakeup.

Can God be the lack of himself? He is love, light, truth, and he is good. Can he lack these because hatred, darkness, lies, and evil are the lack of him.

[Wakeup]

Quote (t8 @ Jan. 16 2014,16:28)

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 16 2014,11:31) T. You said God can NOT DO CERTAIN THINGS, but no scriptures. I say God can do everything,but He chose not to do some of those things. Your God is limited,He can not do everything. Show us the scriptures. wakeup. Can God be the lack of himself? He is love, light, truth, and he is good. Can he lack these because hatred, darkness, lies, and evil are the lack of him.

T8.

The God we worship is A spirit.
He is light physically and spiritually.
All things are MADE by Him.
He created evil also.
This is not to say that HE IS EVIL,but He can do evil.

Instead He created evil;and he did.
He did it for the good.
He has planned to have His own Son crucified.
That seemed an evil thing to do; but we understand
that it was for the good,of all mankind.

God created darkness also.
So we can tell the difference between light and darkness.
This is good.
God created flesh also;so we can tell the difference
between spirit and flesh.(material).
This is good also.

The angels in heaven; some of them are rejects,but God did not cast them in the trash bin.
He let them all pass the assembly line,because he could use them in His plan. And his plan is Good,and the finish product is something He will treasure for ever.

wakeup.

[Proclaimer]

God permits the lack of himself so that beings possessing free will can choose him or not. This is how love works. Love requires a choice. Simple as that. If we choose him, we can then live with him forever. As you say, in the big picture, there will only be good. We both know that all the works of evil are destroyed in the end. So there will be God's elect angels, and there will be the elect people. And creation will be in sync with the sons of God. And there will be no more crying.

[Wakeup]

Quote (t8 @ Jan. 16 2014,20:24)

God permits the lack of himself so that beings possessing free will can choose him or not. This is how love works. Love requires a choice. Simple as that. If we choose him, we can then live with him forever. As you say, in the big picture, there will only be good. We both know that all the works of evil are destroyed in the end. So there will be God's elect angels, and there will be the elect people. And creation will be in sync with the sons of God. And there will be no more crying.

T8.

The word *lack*, is not the right word to use.
He is God and he can do as he please.
His way is not our way.
God uses good and evil to work on His plan.
your picture is correct.

God is working on us from the inside.
Putting us through the fire,of pain and sufferings.
Showing us good and evil.Putting us through the experience.
The angels did not have that experience.
They have never felt pain nor sufferings.
The angels are also learning from us by watching us.
So they also can see what is pain and sufferings.
The finish product will be all spirit creatures;God's treasure.

God's snare/trap, for satan's boastings is when He created
Adam and Eve flesh,so he can carry out his plan.
Working evil on humans; flesh, he could manipulate.
He could not do that on the angels.

wakeup.

[sonofGod]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 02 2013,12:24)

hi some people believe that GOD CREATED EVIL ;WELL BUT WHAT DOES THIS WORD MEAN ANY WAY wicked, trouble, harm, wrong, sick, bad, worthless, wickedness, ill, crimes, sore, loathsome, envious, wrongly, evildoer, malignant, cruelly, miserable, malice, wretched, man, great, destroyed, surely, disaster, broken, break, destruction, false, iniquity, guilty, distress, mourning, friend, ruin, idol, sorrow, afflicted, vain, unjust, worse, calamity, affliction, breaks, smash, sad, wickedly, base, destroying, displeased, afflict,ECT Gal 5:17 For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful Gal 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law. Gal 5:19 The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; Gal 5:20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions Gal 5:21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. Rev 22:11 Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; Ge 3:10 He answered, “I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid.” Ge 3:11 And he said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from? ” Ge 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. You were the model of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. Eze 28:13 You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: ruby, topaz and emerald, chrysolite, onyx and jasper, sapphire, turquoise and beryl. Your settings and mountings were made of gold; on the day you were created they were prepared. Eze 28:14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones. Eze 28:15 You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you.NIV Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.KJV ALL OF THIS IS AFTER MAN WAS CREATED AS A FINAL CREATION FOR GOD AND SO HE RESTED ; Ge 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

God created all that is good, which included free will.

However, free will with only one choice does not permit free will to be exercised.

He created the potential for evil.

He allowed the possibility of it so that a choice between good and evil could be made

[terraricca]

Quote (sonofGod @ Jan. 16 2014,19:26)

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 02 2013,12:24) hi some people believe that GOD CREATED EVIL ;WELL BUT WHAT DOES THIS WORD MEAN ANY WAY wicked, trouble, harm, wrong, sick, bad, worthless, wickedness, ill, crimes, sore, loathsome, envious, wrongly, evildoer, malignant, cruelly, miserable, malice, wretched, man, great, destroyed, surely, disaster, broken, break, destruction, false, iniquity, guilty, distress, mourning, friend, ruin, idol, sorrow, afflicted, vain, unjust, worse, calamity, affliction, breaks, smash, sad, wickedly, base, destroying, displeased, afflict,ECT Gal 5:17 For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful Gal 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law. Gal 5:19 The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; Gal 5:20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions Gal 5:21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. Rev 22:11 Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; Ge 3:10 He answered, “I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid.” Ge 3:11 And he said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from? ” Ge 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. You were the model of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. Eze 28:13 You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: ruby, topaz and emerald, chrysolite, onyx and jasper, sapphire, turquoise and beryl. Your settings and mountings were made of gold; on the day you were created they were prepared. Eze 28:14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones. Eze 28:15 You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you.NIV Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.KJV ALL OF THIS IS AFTER MAN WAS CREATED AS A FINAL CREATION FOR GOD AND SO HE RESTED ; Ge 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. God created all that is good, which included free will. However, free will with only one choice does not permit free will to be exercised. He created the potential for evil. He allowed the possibility of it so that a choice between good and evil could be made

sonofgod

could you please tell us the meaning of “EVIL” THE WORD I MEAN

[seekingtruth]

Quote (sonofGod @ Jan. 16 2014,09:26)

God created all that is good, which included free will. However, free will with only one choice does not permit free will to be exercised. He created the potential for evil. He allowed the possibility of it so that a choice between good and evil could be made

sonofGod,
Now I can agree with “He created the potential for evil.” the very act of giving us “free will” created the potential for evil. But in God there is no evil nor definitely not the creation there of.

BTW welcome to Heaven net

Wm

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