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Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 14 2014,08:54) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 13 2014,13:42) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 13 2014,14:38) The reason why it is impossible for God to be evil is because God is 100% good, he is light, he is truth, he is love. Evil is the absense of these things, thus evil is that which is not God. The only reason such a condition is possible is to provide free will. If God didn't allow the absence of him, then we could not truly love him because there would be no choice. He has allowed us an alternative to him which is the absense of him. Only God is good as Jesus taught us, so God has permitted evil. He didn't create it because he never created the absence of himself, rather he permitted it. Why didn't he create it? Because darkness is the lack of light, it is not a thing and things are created. Hate is the lack of love. Where he is not, there is not love which is hate. Hate is not a created thing. It is a character choice, an attribute, or should I say, the lack of a true attribute that being love.
I never stated that God is evil,let this be clear.
But he created evil as the *scriptures* stated.
And one should *stay* with the scriptures.
**All things** were CREATED by Him,this statement is sealed,and can not be changed.Not even by the so called protecters of God's Word.
We must not make up our own conclusions regarding
Gods Word, using our own logic.We must use our knowledge given by God,
to understand *why* he created evil.
Then one could understand God;His way,and His plan.
I can understand that some are trying to defend God,by saying that he did not create evil,**but by changing the scriptures interpretation**,because of lack of understanding.This is a good thing to do,but we must not go against scriptures, God's word stands firm; He said; I create evil.
It is for us to seek the scriptures, to find the answers;
to that claim. Why did God create evil.(God is not evil).When we have seen the big picture we can understand,
and agree with that statement,and rejoice.
God is good and true,he does not hide the fact that He created evil. And we are to seek the answers.
God also says that He kills and makes alive.
God is in charge at all time.He is the potter that formed the clay. He can break some, and store some.
Is there anyone that can reprimand Him?wakeup.
WIN YOUR VERSION IT SAYS THAT GOD CREATED EVIL,BUT THAT IS MISS TRANSLATED ,
AND SO YOU SAY GOD CREATED “EVIL” BUT ONLY EVIL CREATE EVIL AND LOVE CREATE LOVE ,
BUT YOUR UNDERSTANDING IS NOT IN SCRIPTURES BUT IN THE VERSION OF KJV
Quote I never stated that God is evil,let this be clear. AND YES YOU DID SAY IT BY SAYING THAT GOD CREATED EVIL
T.All these scriptures agrees with God created evil.
Except you disagree.1.Isaiah45:7.
2.Lament.3:38.
3.Amos 3:6.
4.Job 26:13.
5.Exod.4:11.
6.Psalms.78:49.
7.Deut.32:39.
8.1 Sam.2:6.
9.Isaiah.54:16.Can you explain why you disagree?
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 14 2014,06:36) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 14 2014,08:54) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 13 2014,13:42) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 13 2014,14:38) The reason why it is impossible for God to be evil is because God is 100% good, he is light, he is truth, he is love. Evil is the absense of these things, thus evil is that which is not God. The only reason such a condition is possible is to provide free will. If God didn't allow the absence of him, then we could not truly love him because there would be no choice. He has allowed us an alternative to him which is the absense of him. Only God is good as Jesus taught us, so God has permitted evil. He didn't create it because he never created the absence of himself, rather he permitted it. Why didn't he create it? Because darkness is the lack of light, it is not a thing and things are created. Hate is the lack of love. Where he is not, there is not love which is hate. Hate is not a created thing. It is a character choice, an attribute, or should I say, the lack of a true attribute that being love.
I never stated that God is evil,let this be clear.
But he created evil as the *scriptures* stated.
And one should *stay* with the scriptures.
**All things** were CREATED by Him,this statement is sealed,and can not be changed.Not even by the so called protecters of God's Word.
We must not make up our own conclusions regarding
Gods Word, using our own logic.We must use our knowledge given by God,
to understand *why* he created evil.
Then one could understand God;His way,and His plan.
I can understand that some are trying to defend God,by saying that he did not create evil,**but by changing the scriptures interpretation**,because of lack of understanding.This is a good thing to do,but we must not go against scriptures, God's word stands firm; He said; I create evil.
It is for us to seek the scriptures, to find the answers;
to that claim. Why did God create evil.(God is not evil).When we have seen the big picture we can understand,
and agree with that statement,and rejoice.
God is good and true,he does not hide the fact that He created evil. And we are to seek the answers.
God also says that He kills and makes alive.
God is in charge at all time.He is the potter that formed the clay. He can break some, and store some.
Is there anyone that can reprimand Him?wakeup.
WIN YOUR VERSION IT SAYS THAT GOD CREATED EVIL,BUT THAT IS MISS TRANSLATED ,
AND SO YOU SAY GOD CREATED “EVIL” BUT ONLY EVIL CREATE EVIL AND LOVE CREATE LOVE ,
BUT YOUR UNDERSTANDING IS NOT IN SCRIPTURES BUT IN THE VERSION OF KJV
Quote I never stated that God is evil,let this be clear. AND YES YOU DID SAY IT BY SAYING THAT GOD CREATED EVIL
T.All these scriptures agrees with God created evil.
Except you disagree.1.Isaiah45:7.
2.Lament.3:38.
3.Amos 3:6.
4.Job 26:13.
5.Exod.4:11.
6.Psalms.78:49.
7.Deut.32:39.
8.1 Sam.2:6.
9.Isaiah.54:16.Can you explain why you disagree?
wakeup.
wwe told you to look at the Greek word and how it was used ,and translated
what i tell does it not seem true in scriptures
about evil and love Wakeup,
Below I've posted all the scriptures you provided as “proof” that God created evil:Isaiah 45:7 I made the light and the darkness. I bring peace, and I cause trouble. I, the Lord, do all these things
Lament 3:38 God Most High commands both good and bad things to happen
Amos 3:6 If people hear the warning blast of a trumpet, they shake with fear. If trouble comes to a city, the Lord caused it to happen
Job 26:13 His breath made the skies clear. His hand destroyed the snake that tried to get away.
Exodus 4:11 Then the Lord said to him, “Who made a person’s mouth? And who can make someone deaf or not able to speak? Who can make a person blind? Who can make a person able to see? I am the one. I am the Lord.
Psalm 78:49 He showed the Egyptians his anger. He sent his destroying angels against them.
Deuteronomy 32:39 “‘Now, see that I, and only I, am God! There is no other God! I put people to death, and I let people live. I can hurt people, and I can make them well. No one can save another person from my power!
1 Samuel 2:6 The Lord causes people to die, and he causes them to live. He sends people down to the grave, and he can raise them up to live again.
Isaiah 54:16 “Look, I made the blacksmith. He blows on the fire to make it hotter. Then he takes the hot iron and makes the kind of tool he wants to make. In the same way, I made the ‘Destroyer’ to destroy things.
How do these scriptures indicate that God created evil?
Are you evil if you discipline you kids?
I believe God always responds with what provides the greater good, like punishing my kids, sometime it's not pleasant for them, or us, but it is for the greater good.
My opinion – Wm
Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 14 2014,14:19) Wakeup,
Below I've posted all the scriptures you provided as “proof” that God created evil:Isaiah 45:7 I made the light and the darkness. I bring peace, and I cause trouble. I, the Lord, do all these things
Lament 3:38 God Most High commands both good and bad things to happen
Amos 3:6 If people hear the warning blast of a trumpet, they shake with fear. If trouble comes to a city, the Lord caused it to happen
Job 26:13 His breath made the skies clear. His hand destroyed the snake that tried to get away.
Exodus 4:11 Then the Lord said to him, “Who made a person’s mouth? And who can make someone deaf or not able to speak? Who can make a person blind? Who can make a person able to see? I am the one. I am the Lord.
Psalm 78:49 He showed the Egyptians his anger. He sent his destroying angels against them.
Deuteronomy 32:39 “‘Now, see that I, and only I, am God! There is no other God! I put people to death, and I let people live. I can hurt people, and I can make them well. No one can save another person from my power!
1 Samuel 2:6 The Lord causes people to die, and he causes them to live. He sends people down to the grave, and he can raise them up to live again.
Isaiah 54:16 “Look, I made the blacksmith. He blows on the fire to make it hotter. Then he takes the hot iron and makes the kind of tool he wants to make. In the same way, I made the ‘Destroyer’ to destroy things.
How do these scriptures indicate that God created evil?
Are you evil if you discipline you kids?
I believe God always responds with what provides the greater good, like punishing my kids, sometime it's not pleasant for them, or us, but it is for the greater good.
My opinion – Wm
Seekingtruth.Are you saying that God can not do evil?
Are you saying that God can not do everything?
Are you saying that God has limits?
Are you ignoring the written words: God saying:
I DO ***ALL*** THESE THINGS?
There is no need for anyone to hide those words by twisting
words. God is not hiding anything.,He blatantly said:
I create evil.He wants us to seek,and undersatnd;WHY?God created Lucifer Good,but he also knew **beforehand**
that HE will give birth to evil. But God did not refrain from
doing it anyway.Why are many sporting AGAINST THE WORD OF GOD?
I tell you why. It is because of lack of knowledge.
God's great plan they have not discovered.
Good and evil must be created for His great plan to work.
All things are created by Him. ALL THINGS.ALL THINGS.
EVIL NOT EXCLUDED.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 14 2014,10:48) Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 14 2014,14:19) Wakeup,
Below I've posted all the scriptures you provided as “proof” that God created evil:Isaiah 45:7 I made the light and the darkness. I bring peace, and I cause trouble. I, the Lord, do all these things
Lament 3:38 God Most High commands both good and bad things to happen
Amos 3:6 If people hear the warning blast of a trumpet, they shake with fear. If trouble comes to a city, the Lord caused it to happen
Job 26:13 His breath made the skies clear. His hand destroyed the snake that tried to get away.
Exodus 4:11 Then the Lord said to him, “Who made a person’s mouth? And who can make someone deaf or not able to speak? Who can make a person blind? Who can make a person able to see? I am the one. I am the Lord.
Psalm 78:49 He showed the Egyptians his anger. He sent his destroying angels against them.
Deuteronomy 32:39 “‘Now, see that I, and only I, am God! There is no other God! I put people to death, and I let people live. I can hurt people, and I can make them well. No one can save another person from my power!
1 Samuel 2:6 The Lord causes people to die, and he causes them to live. He sends people down to the grave, and he can raise them up to live again.
Isaiah 54:16 “Look, I made the blacksmith. He blows on the fire to make it hotter. Then he takes the hot iron and makes the kind of tool he wants to make. In the same way, I made the ‘Destroyer’ to destroy things.
How do these scriptures indicate that God created evil?
Are you evil if you discipline you kids?
I believe God always responds with what provides the greater good, like punishing my kids, sometime it's not pleasant for them, or us, but it is for the greater good.
My opinion – Wm
Seekingtruth.Are you saying that God can not do evil?
Are you saying that God can not do everything?
Are you saying that God has limits?
Are you ignoring the written words: God saying:
I DO ***ALL*** THESE THINGS?
There is no need for anyone to hide those words by twisting
words. God is not hiding anything.,He blatantly said:
I create evil.He wants us to seek,and undersatnd;WHY?God created Lucifer Good,but he also knew **beforehand**
that HE will give birth to evil. But God did not refrain from
doing it anyway.Why are many sporting AGAINST THE WORD OF GOD?
I tell you why. It is because of lack of knowledge.
God's great plan they have not discovered.
Good and evil must be created for His great plan to work.
All things are created by Him. ALL THINGS.ALL THINGS.
EVIL NOT EXCLUDED.wakeup.
WQuote Why are many sporting AGAINST THE WORD OF GOD?
I tell you why. It is because of lack of knowledge.
God's great plan they have not discovered.
Good and evil must be created for His great plan to work.
All things are created by Him. ALL THINGS.ALL THINGS.
EVIL NOT EXCLUDED.GOD AS NO EVIL PLANS ,WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO UNDERSTAND THAT ;IT SEEMS THAT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND GOD'S PLAN
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 14 2014,17:24) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 14 2014,10:48) Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 14 2014,14:19) Wakeup,
Below I've posted all the scriptures you provided as “proof” that God created evil:Isaiah 45:7 I made the light and the darkness. I bring peace, and I cause trouble. I, the Lord, do all these things
Lament 3:38 God Most High commands both good and bad things to happen
Amos 3:6 If people hear the warning blast of a trumpet, they shake with fear. If trouble comes to a city, the Lord caused it to happen
Job 26:13 His breath made the skies clear. His hand destroyed the snake that tried to get away.
Exodus 4:11 Then the Lord said to him, “Who made a person’s mouth? And who can make someone deaf or not able to speak? Who can make a person blind? Who can make a person able to see? I am the one. I am the Lord.
Psalm 78:49 He showed the Egyptians his anger. He sent his destroying angels against them.
Deuteronomy 32:39 “‘Now, see that I, and only I, am God! There is no other God! I put people to death, and I let people live. I can hurt people, and I can make them well. No one can save another person from my power!
1 Samuel 2:6 The Lord causes people to die, and he causes them to live. He sends people down to the grave, and he can raise them up to live again.
Isaiah 54:16 “Look, I made the blacksmith. He blows on the fire to make it hotter. Then he takes the hot iron and makes the kind of tool he wants to make. In the same way, I made the ‘Destroyer’ to destroy things.
How do these scriptures indicate that God created evil?
Are you evil if you discipline you kids?
I believe God always responds with what provides the greater good, like punishing my kids, sometime it's not pleasant for them, or us, but it is for the greater good.
My opinion – Wm
Seekingtruth.Are you saying that God can not do evil?
Are you saying that God can not do everything?
Are you saying that God has limits?
Are you ignoring the written words: God saying:
I DO ***ALL*** THESE THINGS?
There is no need for anyone to hide those words by twisting
words. God is not hiding anything.,He blatantly said:
I create evil.He wants us to seek,and undersatnd;WHY?God created Lucifer Good,but he also knew **beforehand**
that HE will give birth to evil. But God did not refrain from
doing it anyway.Why are many sporting AGAINST THE WORD OF GOD?
I tell you why. It is because of lack of knowledge.
God's great plan they have not discovered.
Good and evil must be created for His great plan to work.
All things are created by Him. ALL THINGS.ALL THINGS.
EVIL NOT EXCLUDED.wakeup.
WQuote Why are many sporting AGAINST THE WORD OF GOD?
I tell you why. It is because of lack of knowledge.
God's great plan they have not discovered.
Good and evil must be created for His great plan to work.
All things are created by Him. ALL THINGS.ALL THINGS.
EVIL NOT EXCLUDED.GOD AS NO EVIL PLANS ,WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO UNDERSTAND THAT ;IT SEEMS THAT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND GOD'S PLAN
T.Why are you putting words in my mouth?
I never said God has evil plans.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 14 2014,13:50) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 14 2014,17:24) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 14 2014,10:48) Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 14 2014,14:19) Wakeup,
Below I've posted all the scriptures you provided as “proof” that God created evil:Isaiah 45:7 I made the light and the darkness. I bring peace, and I cause trouble. I, the Lord, do all these things
Lament 3:38 God Most High commands both good and bad things to happen
Amos 3:6 If people hear the warning blast of a trumpet, they shake with fear. If trouble comes to a city, the Lord caused it to happen
Job 26:13 His breath made the skies clear. His hand destroyed the snake that tried to get away.
Exodus 4:11 Then the Lord said to him, “Who made a person’s mouth? And who can make someone deaf or not able to speak? Who can make a person blind? Who can make a person able to see? I am the one. I am the Lord.
Psalm 78:49 He showed the Egyptians his anger. He sent his destroying angels against them.
Deuteronomy 32:39 “‘Now, see that I, and only I, am God! There is no other God! I put people to death, and I let people live. I can hurt people, and I can make them well. No one can save another person from my power!
1 Samuel 2:6 The Lord causes people to die, and he causes them to live. He sends people down to the grave, and he can raise them up to live again.
Isaiah 54:16 “Look, I made the blacksmith. He blows on the fire to make it hotter. Then he takes the hot iron and makes the kind of tool he wants to make. In the same way, I made the ‘Destroyer’ to destroy things.
How do these scriptures indicate that God created evil?
Are you evil if you discipline you kids?
I believe God always responds with what provides the greater good, like punishing my kids, sometime it's not pleasant for them, or us, but it is for the greater good.
My opinion – Wm
Seekingtruth.Are you saying that God can not do evil?
Are you saying that God can not do everything?
Are you saying that God has limits?
Are you ignoring the written words: God saying:
I DO ***ALL*** THESE THINGS?
There is no need for anyone to hide those words by twisting
words. God is not hiding anything.,He blatantly said:
I create evil.He wants us to seek,and undersatnd;WHY?God created Lucifer Good,but he also knew **beforehand**
that HE will give birth to evil. But God did not refrain from
doing it anyway.Why are many sporting AGAINST THE WORD OF GOD?
I tell you why. It is because of lack of knowledge.
God's great plan they have not discovered.
Good and evil must be created for His great plan to work.
All things are created by Him. ALL THINGS.ALL THINGS.
EVIL NOT EXCLUDED.wakeup.
WQuote Why are many sporting AGAINST THE WORD OF GOD?
I tell you why. It is because of lack of knowledge.
God's great plan they have not discovered.
Good and evil must be created for His great plan to work.
All things are created by Him. ALL THINGS.ALL THINGS.
EVIL NOT EXCLUDED.GOD AS NO EVIL PLANS ,WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO UNDERSTAND THAT ;IT SEEMS THAT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND GOD'S PLAN
T.Why are you putting words in my mouth?
I never said God has evil plans.
wakeup.
was long you believe that God is the creator of “evil” you are saying and support those thing and views ,
the previous quotes tells you that their is some thing wrong with evil and good ;one does not belong were the other is ,just as love and evil do not belong together ,the understanding of the truth in scriptures will tell you that ,
so it must be men that as miss interpret those words from the old manuscripts
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 09 2014,07:23) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 09 2014,04:43) T, I believe both Adam and Eve were immature and therefore lacked wisdom. Eve heard the temptation of the Serpent and in her foolishness believed him over the source of Good. Adam was offered the fruit and chose to eat it because of his own foolishness. This disobedience came when they yet lacked the knowledge of either good or evil. The response of the angels were that they feared mankind would then eat of the tree of life and become like them. They did not fear that before mankind ate of fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil even though the tree of life was in the garden to be freely eaten of. God then banned mankind from the tree of life in particular and the garden in general until a later date. The only reason I can come up with is mankind was still immature. As time went on they became more mature and the Christ came to sow the word at the right time and will come again to harvest at the right time. At that time he wild also dispose of the weeds that have grown up in his garden.
KQuote The only reason I can come up with is mankind was still immature. As time went on they became more mature and the Christ came to sow the word at the right time and will come again to harvest at the right time. At that time he wild also dispose of the weeds that have grown up in his garden. SO ACCORDING TO YOU GOD HAD PUT THE LOAD WAY TO HEAVY FOR ADAM AND EVE TO SUPPORT
RIGHT ,THAT IS WHAT I UNDERSTAND OF YOUR QUOTE TO ME THAT IS NOT WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM SCRIPTURES ,FOR ADAM HAD NO EXCUSE TO EAT FROM THE TREE AND HE KNEW IT ,BUT DID IT ANY WAY ,SURE IT WAS A TEST AND FAILED IT ,THERE COULD BE 100 OF REASONS WHY HE FAIL THE TEST ,BUT THE TEST WAS IN NO CONDITION MORE THAN THEY BOTH COULD EASILY BEAR,
NOW WEN CHRIST CAME HE DID MANY THINGS FOR INSTANT HE CAME TO SET JUDGMENT ,JUST LIKE GOD DID IN EDEN WITH ADAM AND EVE ; NO DIFFERENCE ,TAKE THE LIGHT OR DARKNESS
EAT OF THE TREE OR NOT , OBEY OR NOT ,
AT WHAT POINT YOU THINK SOMEONE IS MATURE ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND THE DO'S AND DON'TS
T,Quote Colossians 1:28
New International Version (NIV)28 He is the one we proclaim, admonishing and teaching everyone with all wisdom, so that we may present everyone fully mature in Christ.
There are those that are not fully mature in Christ. I am saying that at the very least Adam and Eve were not fully mature in Christ.
Even to those it is written:
1 Corinthians 10:13
New International Version (NIV)13 No temptation[a] has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted,[c] he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it.
So there was a way out for Adam as well as for Eve but neither chose to take it.
I am going beyond that and stating that as a race we were not ready for the Christ to be until his day just as it appears to say in Galatians 4:4.
Galatians 4:4
New International Version (NIV)4 But when the set time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law,
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 15 2014,01:04) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 09 2014,07:23) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 09 2014,04:43) T, I believe both Adam and Eve were immature and therefore lacked wisdom. Eve heard the temptation of the Serpent and in her foolishness believed him over the source of Good. Adam was offered the fruit and chose to eat it because of his own foolishness. This disobedience came when they yet lacked the knowledge of either good or evil. The response of the angels were that they feared mankind would then eat of the tree of life and become like them. They did not fear that before mankind ate of fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil even though the tree of life was in the garden to be freely eaten of. God then banned mankind from the tree of life in particular and the garden in general until a later date. The only reason I can come up with is mankind was still immature. As time went on they became more mature and the Christ came to sow the word at the right time and will come again to harvest at the right time. At that time he wild also dispose of the weeds that have grown up in his garden.
KQuote The only reason I can come up with is mankind was still immature. As time went on they became more mature and the Christ came to sow the word at the right time and will come again to harvest at the right time. At that time he wild also dispose of the weeds that have grown up in his garden. SO ACCORDING TO YOU GOD HAD PUT THE LOAD WAY TO HEAVY FOR ADAM AND EVE TO SUPPORT
RIGHT ,THAT IS WHAT I UNDERSTAND OF YOUR QUOTE TO ME THAT IS NOT WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM SCRIPTURES ,FOR ADAM HAD NO EXCUSE TO EAT FROM THE TREE AND HE KNEW IT ,BUT DID IT ANY WAY ,SURE IT WAS A TEST AND FAILED IT ,THERE COULD BE 100 OF REASONS WHY HE FAIL THE TEST ,BUT THE TEST WAS IN NO CONDITION MORE THAN THEY BOTH COULD EASILY BEAR,
NOW WEN CHRIST CAME HE DID MANY THINGS FOR INSTANT HE CAME TO SET JUDGMENT ,JUST LIKE GOD DID IN EDEN WITH ADAM AND EVE ; NO DIFFERENCE ,TAKE THE LIGHT OR DARKNESS
EAT OF THE TREE OR NOT , OBEY OR NOT ,
AT WHAT POINT YOU THINK SOMEONE IS MATURE ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND THE DO'S AND DON'TS
T,Quote Colossians 1:28
New International Version (NIV)28 He is the one we proclaim, admonishing and teaching everyone with all wisdom, so that we may present everyone fully mature in Christ.
There are those that are not fully mature in Christ. I am saying that at the very least Adam and Eve were not fully mature in Christ.
Even to those it is written:
1 Corinthians 10:13
New International Version (NIV)13 No temptation[a] has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted,[c] he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it.
So there was a way out for Adam as well as for Eve but neither chose to take it.
I am going beyond that and stating that as a race we were not ready for the Christ to be until his day just as it appears to say in Galatians 4:4.
Galatians 4:4
New International Version (NIV)4 But when the set time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law,
kQuote There are those that are not fully mature in Christ. I am saying that at the very least Adam and Eve were not fully mature in Christ. you starting to solve a problem when their was a problem ,this is good ,
BUT BEFORE ADAM SIN ,THEIR WAS NO NEED FOR CHRIST TO COME DOWN AND GIVE HIS LIVE ,THERE WAS NO PROBLEM ,ONLY AFTER HE SINNED
SO ALL YOUR SCRIPTURES ARE REFERRING TO THE PROBLEM AT HAND ,
T,
Before Eve sinned man was not like the gods, knowing both good and evil. Man was like the gods in not being subject to death. After man Adam and Eve sinned man was like the gods in knowing both good and evil but unlike the gods in they were now subject to death. The only thing that flesh and bone man lacked in being like the gods at the earlier time was to eat of the fruit of the tree of life. God clearly did not want man to do that at that time as he shut them of from Eden and the tree of life that was in the midst of the garden. It is only when Judgement is past that man will be found worthy to become the gods.
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 15 2014,02:55) T, Before Eve sinned man was not like the gods, knowing both good and evil. Man was like the gods in not being subject to death. After man Adam and Eve sinned man was like the gods in knowing both good and evil but unlike the gods in they were now subject to death. The only thing that flesh and bone man lacked in being like the gods at the earlier time was to eat of the fruit of the tree of life. God clearly did not want man to do that at that time as he shut them of from Eden and the tree of life that was in the midst of the garden. It is only when Judgement is past that man will be found worthy to become the gods.
kQuote Man was like the gods in not being subject to death this is false ;unless you show me a scripture ;
i understand that Adam the man received full authority over the earth ;and it is for that reason that he was a god just like Moses was a god to Aaron ;god = mighty one
Adam life's ad nothing to do with it nor is sin ;look at Satan was he not called the god of this world
yes and yet he sinned and fall down of his glory in heaven.Adam ans Eve did not know evil ,the fact that they were naked can tell you that ,but they knew only one way ,righteousness meaning obey God ,
the tree presented two things what was right and wrong way the tree only provided THE KNOWLEDGE THEIR OF ,THIS ALSO WAS UNDERSTOOD OF WHAT THEY DID WHEN THE ANGEL OF GOD CALLED THEM “THEY KNEW THAT THEY WERE NAKED ; WHO TOLD THEM
THIS IS KNOWLEDGE IN UNDERSTANDING WHEN YOU HAVE TWO OPTIONS
RIGHT AND WRONG
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 15 2014,03:30) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 15 2014,02:55) T, Before Eve sinned man was not like the gods, knowing both good and evil. Man was like the gods in not being subject to death. After man Adam and Eve sinned man was like the gods in knowing both good and evil but unlike the gods in they were now subject to death. The only thing that flesh and bone man lacked in being like the gods at the earlier time was to eat of the fruit of the tree of life. God clearly did not want man to do that at that time as he shut them of from Eden and the tree of life that was in the midst of the garden. It is only when Judgement is past that man will be found worthy to become the gods.
kQuote Man was like the gods in not being subject to death this is false ;unless you show me a scripture ;
i understand that Adam the man received full authority over the earth ;and it is for that reason that he was a god just like Moses was a god to Aaron ;god = mighty one
Adam life's ad nothing to do with it nor is sin ;look at Satan was he not called the god of this world
yes and yet he sinned and fall down of his glory in heaven.Adam ans Eve did not know evil ,the fact that they were naked can tell you that ,but they knew only one way ,righteousness meaning obey God ,
the tree presented two things what was right and wrong way the tree only provided THE KNOWLEDGE THEIR OF ,THIS ALSO WAS UNDERSTOOD OF WHAT THEY DID WHEN THE ANGEL OF GOD CALLED THEM “THEY KNEW THAT THEY WERE NAKED ; WHO TOLD THEM
THIS IS KNOWLEDGE IN UNDERSTANDING WHEN YOU HAVE TWO OPTIONS
RIGHT AND WRONG
T,Genesis 3:3
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)3 but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
This is written as a warning to adam that he would die if he touched, much less ate the fruit if the tree in the midst of the garden.
A. Adam would die even if he did not eat of the fruit.
B. Adam would not die unless he touched or ate of the fruit.In the first case God's warning means little or nothing as Adam would die anyways.
In the second case God's warning means adam would become mortal.1 Corinthians 15:21
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
If death was in the world before adam sinned then death did not come by adam.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 14 2014,00:48)
Seekingtruth.Are you saying that God can not do evil?
Are you saying that God can not do everything?
Are you saying that God has limits?
Yes I am, can God make something too heavy to lift, one way or the other there is something He cannot do.Quote Are you ignoring the written words: God saying:
I DO ***ALL*** THESE THINGS? There is no need for anyone to hide those words by twisting
words. God is not hiding anything.,He blatantly said:
I create evil.He wants us to seek,and undersatnd;WHY?
Please provide chapter & verse that you are referring toQuote God created Lucifer Good,but he also knew **beforehand**
that HE will give birth to evil. But God did not refrain from
doing it anyway.
Ezekiel 28:15 “You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created until unrighteousness was found in you. All versions of this verse on bible.cc state that the unrighteousness was found or discovered.Quote
Why are many sporting AGAINST THE WORD OF GOD?
I tell you why. It is because of lack of knowledge.
God's great plan they have not discovered.
Good and evil must be created for His great plan to work.
All things are created by Him. ALL THINGS.ALL THINGS.
EVIL NOT EXCLUDED.wakeup.
I agree that evil must be understood and much of life teaches us about it, but it was NOT a creation of GodMy opinion – Wm
Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 15 2014,09:13) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 14 2014,00:48)
Seekingtruth.Are you saying that God can not do evil?
Are you saying that God can not do everything?
Are you saying that God has limits?
Yes I am, can God make something too heavy to lift, one way or the other there is something He cannot do.Quote Are you ignoring the written words: God saying:
I DO ***ALL*** THESE THINGS? There is no need for anyone to hide those words by twisting
words. God is not hiding anything.,He blatantly said:
I create evil.He wants us to seek,and undersatnd;WHY?
Please provide chapter & verse that you are referring toQuote God created Lucifer Good,but he also knew **beforehand**
that HE will give birth to evil. But God did not refrain from
doing it anyway.
Ezekiel 28:15 “You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created until unrighteousness was found in you. All versions of this verse on bible.cc state that the unrighteousness was found or discovered.Quote
Why are many sporting AGAINST THE WORD OF GOD?
I tell you why. It is because of lack of knowledge.
God's great plan they have not discovered.
Good and evil must be created for His great plan to work.
All things are created by Him. ALL THINGS.ALL THINGS.
EVIL NOT EXCLUDED.wakeup.
I agree that evil must be understood and much of life teaches us about it, but it was NOT a creation of GodMy opinion – Wm
Seekingtruth.You worship a God that has limits in doing things.
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: ***I the LORD do all these things***.
Clear and simple.
Are you to contradict the written words?
To hide the truth?wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 14 2014,18:52) Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 15 2014,09:13) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 14 2014,00:48)
Seekingtruth.Are you saying that God can not do evil?
Are you saying that God can not do everything?
Are you saying that God has limits?
Yes I am, can God make something too heavy to lift, one way or the other there is something He cannot do.Quote Are you ignoring the written words: God saying:
I DO ***ALL*** THESE THINGS? There is no need for anyone to hide those words by twisting
words. God is not hiding anything.,He blatantly said:
I create evil.He wants us to seek,and undersatnd;WHY?
Please provide chapter & verse that you are referring toQuote God created Lucifer Good,but he also knew **beforehand**
that HE will give birth to evil. But God did not refrain from
doing it anyway.
Ezekiel 28:15 “You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created until unrighteousness was found in you. All versions of this verse on bible.cc state that the unrighteousness was found or discovered.Quote
Why are many sporting AGAINST THE WORD OF GOD?
I tell you why. It is because of lack of knowledge.
God's great plan they have not discovered.
Good and evil must be created for His great plan to work.
All things are created by Him. ALL THINGS.ALL THINGS.
EVIL NOT EXCLUDED.wakeup.
I agree that evil must be understood and much of life teaches us about it, but it was NOT a creation of GodMy opinion – Wm
Seekingtruth.You worship a God that has limits in doing things.
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: ***I the LORD do all these things***.
Clear and simple.
Are you to contradict the written words?
To hide the truth?wakeup.
And you worship a God that brought us evil…
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the Lord, do all these things.
Do you believe that the translations are God inspired? As I've stated elsewhere, all translations are subject to errors it is the whole of scripture (and the guidance of the Holy Spirit) that will provide us with the correct translation.Wm
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 15 2014,03:55) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 15 2014,03:30) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 15 2014,02:55) T, Before Eve sinned man was not like the gods, knowing both good and evil. Man was like the gods in not being subject to death. After man Adam and Eve sinned man was like the gods in knowing both good and evil but unlike the gods in they were now subject to death. The only thing that flesh and bone man lacked in being like the gods at the earlier time was to eat of the fruit of the tree of life. God clearly did not want man to do that at that time as he shut them of from Eden and the tree of life that was in the midst of the garden. It is only when Judgement is past that man will be found worthy to become the gods.
kQuote Man was like the gods in not being subject to death this is false ;unless you show me a scripture ;
i understand that Adam the man received full authority over the earth ;and it is for that reason that he was a god just like Moses was a god to Aaron ;god = mighty one
Adam life's ad nothing to do with it nor is sin ;look at Satan was he not called the god of this world
yes and yet he sinned and fall down of his glory in heaven.Adam ans Eve did not know evil ,the fact that they were naked can tell you that ,but they knew only one way ,righteousness meaning obey God ,
the tree presented two things what was right and wrong way the tree only provided THE KNOWLEDGE THEIR OF ,THIS ALSO WAS UNDERSTOOD OF WHAT THEY DID WHEN THE ANGEL OF GOD CALLED THEM “THEY KNEW THAT THEY WERE NAKED ; WHO TOLD THEM
THIS IS KNOWLEDGE IN UNDERSTANDING WHEN YOU HAVE TWO OPTIONS
RIGHT AND WRONG
T,Genesis 3:3
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)3 but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
This is written as a warning to adam that he would die if he touched, much less ate the fruit if the tree in the midst of the garden.
A. Adam would die even if he did not eat of the fruit.
B. Adam would not die unless he touched or ate of the fruit.In the first case God's warning means little or nothing as Adam would die anyways.
In the second case God's warning means adam would become mortal.1 Corinthians 15:21
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
If death was in the world before adam sinned then death did not come by adam.
KQuote 1 Corinthians 15:21
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
If death was in the world before adam sinned then death did not come by adam.
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DOES PAUL TALKS ABOUT MEN AND ANIMALS OR ONLY MEN
IT SEEMS TO ME ONLY MEN COULD SIN ON EARTH ,RIGHT SO PAUL TALKS ABOUT AFTER THE PROBLEM OF ADAM SIN NO BEFORE
Quote A. Adam would die even if he did not eat of the fruit.
B. Adam would not die unless he touched or ate of the fruit.In the first case God's warning means little or nothing as Adam would die anyways.
In the second case God's warning means adam would become mortal.YOUR PART “B” SEEMS THE RIGHT ONE
Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 15 2014,11:32) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 14 2014,18:52) Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 15 2014,09:13) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 14 2014,00:48)
Seekingtruth.Are you saying that God can not do evil?
Are you saying that God can not do everything?
Are you saying that God has limits?
Yes I am, can God make something too heavy to lift, one way or the other there is something He cannot do.Quote Are you ignoring the written words: God saying:
I DO ***ALL*** THESE THINGS? There is no need for anyone to hide those words by twisting
words. God is not hiding anything.,He blatantly said:
I create evil.He wants us to seek,and undersatnd;WHY?
Please provide chapter & verse that you are referring toQuote God created Lucifer Good,but he also knew **beforehand**
that HE will give birth to evil. But God did not refrain from
doing it anyway.
Ezekiel 28:15 “You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created until unrighteousness was found in you. All versions of this verse on bible.cc state that the unrighteousness was found or discovered.Quote
Why are many sporting AGAINST THE WORD OF GOD?
I tell you why. It is because of lack of knowledge.
God's great plan they have not discovered.
Good and evil must be created for His great plan to work.
All things are created by Him. ALL THINGS.ALL THINGS.
EVIL NOT EXCLUDED.wakeup.
I agree that evil must be understood and much of life teaches us about it, but it was NOT a creation of GodMy opinion – Wm
Seekingtruth.You worship a God that has limits in doing things.
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: ***I the LORD do all these things***.
Clear and simple.
Are you to contradict the written words?
To hide the truth?wakeup.
And you worship a God that brought us evil…
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the Lord, do all these things.
Do you believe that the translations are God inspired? As I've stated elsewhere, all translations are subject to errors it is the whole of scripture (and the guidance of the Holy Spirit) that will provide us with the correct translation.Wm
Seeking truth.Now you are bashing the Holy bible,
because it is not saying what you want to hear.
Jehovah Jereh.The Lord will provide us with the right book for us to seek.Do you agree with this one:
I kill and make alive.
Is killing not evil?
The law says: Thou shalt not kill.wakeup.
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