Who won't enter yahweh's kingdom?

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 29 2009,01:31)

Hi CON, Can a pot offer anything useful for it's purpose than just being a vessel?

Not that I can think of.

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 29 2009,15:22)

Hi KW, All men are dishonorable vessels-all have sinned. Then some are called and washed and filled with treasure. There is no real strength outside that gifted by God.

Not according to the scripture I was referencing that spoke of two different kinds of vessels made by the potter.  The honorable and the dishonorable.   The later is made for destruction.

Perhaps you are speaking of vessels that the potter is still in the process of making.

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 29 2009,02:17)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 29 2009,15:22) Hi KW, All men are dishonorable vessels-all have sinned. Then some are called and washed and filled with treasure. There is no real strength outside that gifted by God. Not according to the scripture I was referencing that spoke of two different kinds of vessels made by the potter.  The honorable and the dishonorable.   The later is made for destruction. Perhaps you are speaking of vessels that the potter is still in the process of making.

Sometimes I believe he tries to speak in riddles, therefore answering directly is at best arduous. In fact sometimes I have no clue what he tosses out there.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (942767 @ Oct. 29 2009,14:41)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 29 2009,14:09) Quote (942767 @ Oct. 29 2009,13:37) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 29 2009,13:23) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 28 2009,20:35) Who Won't Enter Yahweh's Kingdom? 1 CORINTHIANS 6:9 FORNICATORS IDOLATERS HOMOSEXUALS SODOMITES THIEVES COVETOUS PERSONS DRUNKARDS REVILERS GREEDY PERSONS (RAPACIOUS) REVELATIONS 22:15 DOGS SORCERERS SEXUALLY IMMORAL WHOEVER LOVES & MAKES A LIE   EPHESIANS 5:5 THOSE WHO PRACTICE: OBSCENITY FOOLISH TALKING (JESTING) GREEDINESS RAILLERY (TO RIDICULE) ANY UNCLEAN MAN GALATIANS 5:19-21 THOSE WHO PRACTICE:   WITCHCRAFT UNCLEANNESS LEWDNESS ENMITIES STRIFE JEALOUSY ANGERS RIVALRIES DIVISIONS SECTS ENVYINGS DRUNKENNESSES REVELLINGS REPENT! What about Jesus? Didn't he take away the sins of the world? Hi BD: For those that come to God with a repentant heart through him, yes he did.  Praise God for His unspeakable gift to humanity. Love in Christ, Marty Wasn't repentance always a way to approach God and reconcile? Hi BD: Yes, do you believe that Jesus was sent by God.  He said that he was, and he said the following: Quote Mar 1:14 ¶ Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,   Mar 1:15   And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.   Quote Jhn 3:5   Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.   What does repentance entail? Love in Christ, Marty

Yes of course Jesus was sent by God and he taught that we should repent by turning our hearts toward God and turn away from evil instead showing compassion and mercy to all.

He didn't say believe in me and you will be forgiven all your sins he said listen to me and you will be forgiven all your sins people tend to want to worship the messenger and not the message. Jesus delivered tha DOCTRINE of God.

[NickHassan]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 29 2009,21:17)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 29 2009,15:22) Hi KW, All men are dishonorable vessels-all have sinned. Then some are called and washed and filled with treasure. There is no real strength outside that gifted by God. Not according to the scripture I was referencing that spoke of two different kinds of vessels made by the potter.  The honorable and the dishonorable.   The later is made for destruction. Perhaps you are speaking of vessels that the potter is still in the process of making.

Hi KW,
So you think some men have not sinned and are perfect not needing to repent so that they may be used?

God knows those who are His.

He leads them to the bath.

[NickHassan]

Hi CON,
Some refuse the washing and can have no part of Christ[ Jn13.8]
Others allow only some changes to be made.

We all need complete deconstruction and rebuilding and it saves time to admit it at the beginning.
Admit we are the world's worst sinners with the root of every sin in us is a good start.
Let the light into every room so that we can be as a lamp set on a hill.

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 30 2009,08:20)

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 29 2009,21:17) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 29 2009,15:22) Hi KW, All men are dishonorable vessels-all have sinned. Then some are called and washed and filled with treasure. There is no real strength outside that gifted by God. Not according to the scripture I was referencing that spoke of two different kinds of vessels made by the potter.  The honorable and the dishonorable.   The later is made for destruction. Perhaps you are speaking of vessels that the potter is still in the process of making. Hi KW, So you think some men have not sinned and are perfect not needing to repent so that they may be used? God knows those who are His. He leads them to the bath.

You should look up the scripture I am referencing before you jump to conclusions.   I am assuming you have access to a bible search tool.  I use bible gateway which is available on the internet.

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
Which conclusions?

[942767]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 30 2009,01:00)

Quote (942767 @ Oct. 29 2009,14:41) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 29 2009,14:09) Quote (942767 @ Oct. 29 2009,13:37) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 29 2009,13:23) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 28 2009,20:35) Who Won't Enter Yahweh's Kingdom? 1 CORINTHIANS 6:9 FORNICATORS IDOLATERS HOMOSEXUALS SODOMITES THIEVES COVETOUS PERSONS DRUNKARDS REVILERS GREEDY PERSONS (RAPACIOUS) REVELATIONS 22:15 DOGS SORCERERS SEXUALLY IMMORAL WHOEVER LOVES & MAKES A LIE   EPHESIANS 5:5 THOSE WHO PRACTICE: OBSCENITY FOOLISH TALKING (JESTING) GREEDINESS RAILLERY (TO RIDICULE) ANY UNCLEAN MAN GALATIANS 5:19-21 THOSE WHO PRACTICE:   WITCHCRAFT UNCLEANNESS LEWDNESS ENMITIES STRIFE JEALOUSY ANGERS RIVALRIES DIVISIONS SECTS ENVYINGS DRUNKENNESSES REVELLINGS REPENT! What about Jesus? Didn't he take away the sins of the world? Hi BD: For those that come to God with a repentant heart through him, yes he did.  Praise God for His unspeakable gift to humanity. Love in Christ, Marty Wasn't repentance always a way to approach God and reconcile? Hi BD: Yes, do you believe that Jesus was sent by God.  He said that he was, and he said the following: Quote Mar 1:14 ¶ Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,   Mar 1:15   And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.   Quote Jhn 3:5   Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.   What does repentance entail? Love in Christ, Marty Yes of course Jesus was sent by God and he taught that we should repent by turning our hearts toward God and turn away from evil instead showing compassion and mercy to all. He didn't say believe in me and you will be forgiven all your sins he said listen to me and you will be forgiven all your sins people tend to want to worship the messenger and not the message. Jesus delivered tha DOCTRINE of God.

Hi BD:

He said repent and believe the gospel(good news).

And  John put it this way:

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1Jo 5:5   Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?   1Jo 5:6 ¶ This is he that came by water and blood, [even] Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.   1Jo 5:8   And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.   1Jo 5:9   If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.   1Jo 5:10   He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.   1Jo 5:11   And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.   1Jo 5:12   He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[bodhitharta]

Quote (942767 @ Oct. 30 2009,13:51)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 30 2009,01:00) Quote (942767 @ Oct. 29 2009,14:41) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 29 2009,14:09) Quote (942767 @ Oct. 29 2009,13:37) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 29 2009,13:23) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 28 2009,20:35) Who Won't Enter Yahweh's Kingdom? 1 CORINTHIANS 6:9 FORNICATORS IDOLATERS HOMOSEXUALS SODOMITES THIEVES COVETOUS PERSONS DRUNKARDS REVILERS GREEDY PERSONS (RAPACIOUS) REVELATIONS 22:15 DOGS SORCERERS SEXUALLY IMMORAL WHOEVER LOVES & MAKES A LIE   EPHESIANS 5:5 THOSE WHO PRACTICE: OBSCENITY FOOLISH TALKING (JESTING) GREEDINESS RAILLERY (TO RIDICULE) ANY UNCLEAN MAN GALATIANS 5:19-21 THOSE WHO PRACTICE:   WITCHCRAFT UNCLEANNESS LEWDNESS ENMITIES STRIFE JEALOUSY ANGERS RIVALRIES DIVISIONS SECTS ENVYINGS DRUNKENNESSES REVELLINGS REPENT! What about Jesus? Didn't he take away the sins of the world? Hi BD: For those that come to God with a repentant heart through him, yes he did.  Praise God for His unspeakable gift to humanity. Love in Christ, Marty Wasn't repentance always a way to approach God and reconcile? Hi BD: Yes, do you believe that Jesus was sent by God.  He said that he was, and he said the following: Quote Mar 1:14 ¶ Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,   Mar 1:15   And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.   Quote Jhn 3:5   Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.   What does repentance entail? Love in Christ, Marty Yes of course Jesus was sent by God and he taught that we should repent by turning our hearts toward God and turn away from evil instead showing compassion and mercy to all. He didn't say believe in me and you will be forgiven all your sins he said listen to me and you will be forgiven all your sins people tend to want to worship the messenger and not the message. Jesus delivered tha DOCTRINE of God. Hi BD: He said repent and believe the gospel(good news). And  John put it this way: Quote 1Jo 5:5   Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?   1Jo 5:6 ¶ This is he that came by water and blood, [even] Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.   1Jo 5:8   And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.   1Jo 5:9   If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.   1Jo 5:10   He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.   1Jo 5:11   And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.   1Jo 5:12   He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. Love in Christ, Marty

The term son of God was common at the time. David was called the son of God and so was solomon and they are all the sons of God. The fact is God created them to reproduce his image and likeness so we are all the children of the most high when we take on his attributes.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
You should know of THE Son of God now spoken of in Ps 2 and Prov 30.
Perhaps you did not know ?

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 30 2009,08:38)

Hi KW, Which conclusions?

The ones you based the question I was addressing on. I considered the question ignorant which is why I directed you to look up the scripture I was speaking of. If you choose not to then I do not see how a conversation about it can proceed.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 30 2009,16:28)

Hi BD, You should know of THE Son of God now spoken of in Ps 2 and Prov 30. Perhaps you did not know ?

No, you just assume the identity when in fact it most likely referred to David or Solomon. You are trying to use hindsight to make a judgement.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
You need to ascribe others to this role to defend against the thought that you have erred by neglecting the Son God sent.
We know him and his Father so we are not under that illusion.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 30 2009,17:52)

Hi BD, You need to ascribe others to this role to defend against the thought that you have erred by neglecting the Son God sent. We know him and his Father so we are not under that illusion.

I love all the sons of God which do you deny?

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
So if Jesus is not the monogenes Son of God whom God loves[He told us at the Jordan] we are unfairly rejecting His other sons?

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 29 2009,18:30)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 30 2009,08:20) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 29 2009,21:17) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 29 2009,15:22) Hi KW, All men are dishonorable vessels-all have sinned. Then some are called and washed and filled with treasure. There is no real strength outside that gifted by God. Not according to the scripture I was referencing that spoke of two different kinds of vessels made by the potter.  The honorable and the dishonorable.   The later is made for destruction. Perhaps you are speaking of vessels that the potter is still in the process of making. Hi KW, So you think some men have not sinned and are perfect not needing to repent so that they may be used? God knows those who are His. He leads them to the bath. You should look up the scripture I am referencing before you jump to conclusions.   I am assuming you have access to a bible search tool.  I use bible gateway which is available on the internet.

BlueLetterBible.org is good too.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/index.cfm

[942767]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 30 2009,16:07)

Quote (942767 @ Oct. 30 2009,13:51) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 30 2009,01:00) Quote (942767 @ Oct. 29 2009,14:41) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 29 2009,14:09) Quote (942767 @ Oct. 29 2009,13:37) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 29 2009,13:23) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 28 2009,20:35) Who Won't Enter Yahweh's Kingdom? 1 CORINTHIANS 6:9 FORNICATORS IDOLATERS HOMOSEXUALS SODOMITES THIEVES COVETOUS PERSONS DRUNKARDS REVILERS GREEDY PERSONS (RAPACIOUS) REVELATIONS 22:15 DOGS SORCERERS SEXUALLY IMMORAL WHOEVER LOVES & MAKES A LIE   EPHESIANS 5:5 THOSE WHO PRACTICE: OBSCENITY FOOLISH TALKING (JESTING) GREEDINESS RAILLERY (TO RIDICULE) ANY UNCLEAN MAN GALATIANS 5:19-21 THOSE WHO PRACTICE:   WITCHCRAFT UNCLEANNESS LEWDNESS ENMITIES STRIFE JEALOUSY ANGERS RIVALRIES DIVISIONS SECTS ENVYINGS DRUNKENNESSES REVELLINGS REPENT! What about Jesus? Didn't he take away the sins of the world? Hi BD: For those that come to God with a repentant heart through him, yes he did.  Praise God for His unspeakable gift to humanity. Love in Christ, Marty Wasn't repentance always a way to approach God and reconcile? Hi BD: Yes, do you believe that Jesus was sent by God.  He said that he was, and he said the following: Quote Mar 1:14 ¶ Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,   Mar 1:15   And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.   Quote Jhn 3:5   Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.   What does repentance entail? Love in Christ, Marty Yes of course Jesus was sent by God and he taught that we should repent by turning our hearts toward God and turn away from evil instead showing compassion and mercy to all. He didn't say believe in me and you will be forgiven all your sins he said listen to me and you will be forgiven all your sins people tend to want to worship the messenger and not the message. Jesus delivered tha DOCTRINE of God. Hi BD: He said repent and believe the gospel(good news). And  John put it this way: Quote 1Jo 5:5   Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?   1Jo 5:6 ¶ This is he that came by water and blood, [even] Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.   1Jo 5:8   And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.   1Jo 5:9   If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.   1Jo 5:10   He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.   1Jo 5:11   And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.   1Jo 5:12   He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. Love in Christ, Marty The term son of God was common at the time. David was called the son of God and so was solomon and they are all the sons of God. The fact is God created them to reproduce his image and likeness so we are all the children of the most  high when we take on his attributes.

Hi BD:

Although David and Solomon were sons of God, they are not the “Only Begotten Son of God”.

This is the gospel:

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Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

The only way for man to become like God is for man to be born again, and for God to become the Father of his spirit.

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Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[bodhitharta]

Quote (942767 @ Oct. 31 2009,14:10)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 30 2009,16:07) Quote (942767 @ Oct. 30 2009,13:51) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 30 2009,01:00) Quote (942767 @ Oct. 29 2009,14:41) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 29 2009,14:09) Quote (942767 @ Oct. 29 2009,13:37) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 29 2009,13:23) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 28 2009,20:35) Who Won't Enter Yahweh's Kingdom? 1 CORINTHIANS 6:9 FORNICATORS IDOLATERS HOMOSEXUALS SODOMITES THIEVES COVETOUS PERSONS DRUNKARDS REVILERS GREEDY PERSONS (RAPACIOUS) REVELATIONS 22:15 DOGS SORCERERS SEXUALLY IMMORAL WHOEVER LOVES & MAKES A LIE   EPHESIANS 5:5 THOSE WHO PRACTICE: OBSCENITY FOOLISH TALKING (JESTING) GREEDINESS RAILLERY (TO RIDICULE) ANY UNCLEAN MAN GALATIANS 5:19-21 THOSE WHO PRACTICE:   WITCHCRAFT UNCLEANNESS LEWDNESS ENMITIES STRIFE JEALOUSY ANGERS RIVALRIES DIVISIONS SECTS ENVYINGS DRUNKENNESSES REVELLINGS REPENT! What about Jesus? Didn't he take away the sins of the world? Hi BD: For those that come to God with a repentant heart through him, yes he did.  Praise God for His unspeakable gift to humanity. Love in Christ, Marty Wasn't repentance always a way to approach God and reconcile? Hi BD: Yes, do you believe that Jesus was sent by God.  He said that he was, and he said the following: Quote Mar 1:14 ¶ Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,   Mar 1:15   And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.   Quote Jhn 3:5   Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.   What does repentance entail? Love in Christ, Marty Yes of course Jesus was sent by God and he taught that we should repent by turning our hearts toward God and turn away from evil instead showing compassion and mercy to all. He didn't say believe in me and you will be forgiven all your sins he said listen to me and you will be forgiven all your sins people tend to want to worship the messenger and not the message. Jesus delivered tha DOCTRINE of God. Hi BD: He said repent and believe the gospel(good news). And  John put it this way: Quote 1Jo 5:5   Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?   1Jo 5:6 ¶ This is he that came by water and blood, [even] Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.   1Jo 5:8   And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.   1Jo 5:9   If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.   1Jo 5:10   He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.   1Jo 5:11   And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.   1Jo 5:12   He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. Love in Christ, Marty The term son of God was common at the time. David was called the son of God and so was solomon and they are all the sons of God. The fact is God created them to reproduce his image and likeness so we are all the children of the most  high when we take on his attributes. Hi BD: Although David and Solomon were sons of God, they are not the “Only Begotten Son of God”. This is the gospel: Quote Jhn 3:16   For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.   Jhn 3:17   For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.   Jhn 3:18   He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.   The only way for man to become like God is for man to be born again, and for God to become the Father of his spirit. Quote Gal 5:22   But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,   Gal 5:23   Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.   Gal 5:24   And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.   Gal 5:25   If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.   Love in Christ, Marty

When the Bible speaks of Jesus as The Only son it doesn't mean that there were never any others it is speaking in current terms just like when Isaac is called the only son of Abraham, of course he was not but he was the only son currently with Abraham.

Whoever God gives complete authority to is his only begotten son

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 30 2009,18:06)

Hi BD, So if Jesus is not the monogenes Son of God whom God loves[He told us at the Jordan] we are unfairly rejecting His other sons?

Is Monogenes used with any other individual?

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