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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 05 2012,07:31) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 05 2012,14:25) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 05 2012,05:22) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 04 2012,01:45) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 03 2012,13:50) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 03 2012,20:14) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 03 2012,13:03) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 03 2012,19:54) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 03 2012,12:23) no it is not a compliment,it is a noticeable reality in the things you say,and so prove you deceit toward the scriptures, all the attacks are only addressed to your false believe ,and to the way you try to defended with lies and deny history, origins,
I do not hate you at all,but the truth about Islam history,origins,and book as to be said.it does not matter if it does not move you away from it or not,some people feel ok with bad company,so be it,Pierre
Have you always been a Christian with the exact same beliefs you have today?
bodwhy you want to know ??
Do you consider your old beliefs as false beliefs?
bodwen you talk false believe do you mean related to religion ?
Any old belief upon learning or accepting another belief do you consider the old ones false?
bodI have always believed in God ,as far as I can remember ,I was born in a catholic stronghold ,but very early i rejected that religion as I remember it was at my first few lessons in there catechism that they threw me out ,because I was keeping asking
how can Mary be the mother of God if she is born after God start to created,and how can a women become the mother of her creator,but it was only at around my 19 th year that I first could put my hands on a bible ,and wen I start reading it ,then I knew that that book was written for me and addressed to me ,
so I wanted to eat it ,and eat it ,and eat it ,yes it was a letter of my father to me ,I wanted to make sure I understood all the things he wanted me to do,and know,
it is true that I was exposed to many other faith believers,and doctrines ,but my fathers letter to me knew that ,that would happen and so told me all those things ahead of time,so I was prepared,
and so never went ashtray from his words ,do I love my father ?I CAN NOT LIVE A SECOND WITHOUT HIM ,Pierre
How beautiful!
So you did think the old beliefs were false and your understanding you have now you feel it is true and you are content. Glory be to God!
You simply progressed to where you are now and if you are blessed with learning anything else then that would simply be part of your progress
bodI ad no hold believes ,I just refuse to accept those believes from others who did not make sens,
and yes live and understanding is a progress all our lives,
in what ever road we take .good or bad
Pierre
So how can you be certain that you have a greater understanding than I do?bod
Quote So how can you be certain that you have a greater understanding than I do? I did not say that I have better understanding than you ,because our understanding is not on the same road ,I am on the road of righteousness,you are serving your god and man made prophet and his book the Koran ,
SO HOW CAN WE COMPARE APPLES WITH ORANGES ?? WE CAN'T
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 05 2012,08:00) bod Quote So how can you be certain that you have a greater understanding than I do? I did not say that I have better understanding than you ,because our understanding is not on the same road ,I am on the road of righteousness,you are serving your god and man made prophet and his book the Koran ,
SO HOW CAN WE COMPARE APPLES WITH ORANGES ?? WE CAN'T
Pierre
No PierreYour understanding is that you are serving God and being righteous and you also believe that whoever disagrees with your view must be serving some other god…etc
My understanding is that I am serving God and being righteous and I also believe that whoever disagrees with my view cannot be judged by me.
That is the only difference
Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 05 2012,16:40) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 05 2012,08:00) bod Quote So how can you be certain that you have a greater understanding than I do? I did not say that I have better understanding than you ,because our understanding is not on the same road ,I am on the road of righteousness,you are serving your god and man made prophet and his book the Koran ,
SO HOW CAN WE COMPARE APPLES WITH ORANGES ?? WE CAN'T
Pierre
No PierreYour understanding is that you are serving God and being righteous and you also believe that whoever disagrees with your view must be serving some other god…etc
My understanding is that I am serving God and being righteous and I also believe that whoever disagrees with my view cannot be judged by me.
That is the only difference
bodThe God in scriptures has no two ways to worship or to serve,or set of rules ,got this ,
His rules are spell out in the bible NOT in the Koran ,you will never make it believe to a true believer only to the walking dead,
you can convinced your self 1000 times it will not change those facts.It as nothing to do with me ,I wish you could understand truth in the word of God and worship the only true God,
but you chose to serve men and so be subject to the vultures .
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 05 2012,10:16) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 05 2012,16:40) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 05 2012,08:00) bod Quote So how can you be certain that you have a greater understanding than I do? I did not say that I have better understanding than you ,because our understanding is not on the same road ,I am on the road of righteousness,you are serving your god and man made prophet and his book the Koran ,
SO HOW CAN WE COMPARE APPLES WITH ORANGES ?? WE CAN'T
Pierre
No PierreYour understanding is that you are serving God and being righteous and you also believe that whoever disagrees with your view must be serving some other god…etc
My understanding is that I am serving God and being righteous and I also believe that whoever disagrees with my view cannot be judged by me.
That is the only difference
bodThe God in scriptures has no two ways to worship or to serve,or set of rules ,got this ,
His rules are spell out in the bible NOT in the Koran ,you will never make it believe to a true believer only to the walking dead,
you can convinced your self 1000 times it will not change those facts.It as nothing to do with me ,I wish you could understand truth in the word of God and worship the only true God,
but you chose to serve men and so be subject to the vultures .
Pierre
You are supposed to Love God with all your heart, soul and mind anything else is something you imagine to be neededQuote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 05 2012,18:04) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 05 2012,10:16) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 05 2012,16:40) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 05 2012,08:00) bod Quote So how can you be certain that you have a greater understanding than I do? I did not say that I have better understanding than you ,because our understanding is not on the same road ,I am on the road of righteousness,you are serving your god and man made prophet and his book the Koran ,
SO HOW CAN WE COMPARE APPLES WITH ORANGES ?? WE CAN'T
Pierre
No PierreYour understanding is that you are serving God and being righteous and you also believe that whoever disagrees with your view must be serving some other god…etc
My understanding is that I am serving God and being righteous and I also believe that whoever disagrees with my view cannot be judged by me.
That is the only difference
bodThe God in scriptures has no two ways to worship or to serve,or set of rules ,got this ,
His rules are spell out in the bible NOT in the Koran ,you will never make it believe to a true believer only to the walking dead,
you can convinced your self 1000 times it will not change those facts.It as nothing to do with me ,I wish you could understand truth in the word of God and worship the only true God,
but you chose to serve men and so be subject to the vultures .
Pierre
You are supposed to Love God with all your heart, soul and mind anything else is something you imagine to be needed
bodOK<how do you think you can LOVE the God in the bible
Pierre
Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 05 2012,06:47) Quote (shimmer @ Feb. 04 2012,19:44) Do you believe these words? John 14:10:
“Do you not believe that I am in my Father and my Father in me? The words which I am speaking, I am not speaking from myself, but my Father who dwells within me, he does these works.”
John 6:63:
It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
Yes I believe those words and since you believe those words why do you rely on flesh of Jesus when he explained the flesh availeth nothing so the sacrifice of that flesh could avail nothing.Do you understand what I mean?
Bod, and Jesus says to believe Him. ALL the words he speaks. Never mind what anyone else says. Never mind if they are Christian, Muslim or Hindu – Jesus' words Bod – you need to listen to Him. You need to ask Him to be your Teacher.!I don't understand your question sorry?
Quote (shimmer @ Feb. 06 2012,18:47) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 05 2012,06:47) Quote (shimmer @ Feb. 04 2012,19:44) Do you believe these words? John 14:10:
“Do you not believe that I am in my Father and my Father in me? The words which I am speaking, I am not speaking from myself, but my Father who dwells within me, he does these works.”
John 6:63:
It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
Yes I believe those words and since you believe those words why do you rely on flesh of Jesus when he explained the flesh availeth nothing so the sacrifice of that flesh could avail nothing.Do you understand what I mean?
Bod, and Jesus says to believe Him. ALL the words he speaks. Never mind what anyone else says. Never mind if they are Christian, Muslim or Hindu – Jesus' words Bod – you need to listen to Him. You need to ask Him to be your Teacher.!I don't understand your question sorry?
These are the words of JesusJohn 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.If the flesh profiteth nothing than sacrificing the flesh can do nothing
John 16:16
King James Version (KJV)
16A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.
Notice he did not say that I will be killed and go to the Father?
Quote (shimmer @ Feb. 06 2012,18:47) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 05 2012,06:47) Quote (shimmer @ Feb. 04 2012,19:44) Do you believe these words? John 14:10:
“Do you not believe that I am in my Father and my Father in me? The words which I am speaking, I am not speaking from myself, but my Father who dwells within me, he does these works.”
John 6:63:
It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
Yes I believe those words and since you believe those words why do you rely on flesh of Jesus when he explained the flesh availeth nothing so the sacrifice of that flesh could avail nothing.Do you understand what I mean?
Bod, and Jesus says to believe Him. ALL the words he speaks. Never mind what anyone else says. Never mind if they are Christian, Muslim or Hindu – Jesus' words Bod – you need to listen to Him. You need to ask Him to be your Teacher.!I don't understand your question sorry?
Isaiah 42:8
I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2012,05:26) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 01 2012,04:17) The video was good and what happened with him was needed because his original teachings of childhood was based upon a corrupted foundation but what's funny is that he said he Asked ALLAH to speak to him and said that ALLAH said “Absolutely not” which means Allah did speak to him. lol It seems to me in order to save this persons life God simply reset his programming. But keep in mind this also happens with racists like the KKK most of them that have since given up racism really thought at one point they were doing God's will and then God comes into their heart and they realize they finally have found God
Hi BD,What do you mean 'al-Lah' spoke to him, he was
a no show like baal; because 'al-Lah' doesn't exist.B'shem
YHVH
the most striking (if not unexpected) Baal-name is Bealiah, meaning Yahweh Is Lord.Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 07 2012,08:29) These are the words of Jesus John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.If the flesh profiteth nothing than sacrificing the flesh can do nothing
John 16:16
King James Version (KJV)
16A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.
Notice he did not say that I will be killed and go to the Father?
Bod yes so, Jesus's own words say this:First jesus' words in Matthew:
“Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.”
And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you; for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.”Then in Revelation, firstly who is speaking this?
“The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants what must soon take place; and he made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw. “
And it says:
“Weep not; lo, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals.”
And between the throne and the four living creatures and among the elders, I saw a Lamb standing, as though it had been slain, with seven horns and with seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth; and he went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who was seated on the throne.
And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints; and they sang a new song, saying, “Worthy art thou to take the scroll and to open its seals, for thou wast slain and by thy blood didst ransom men for God from every tribe and tongue and people and nation, and hast made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they shall reign on earth.”
Then I looked, and I heard around the throne and the living creatures and the elders the voice of many angels, numbering myriads of myriads and thousands of thousands, saying with a loud voice, “Worthy is the Lamb who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing!”
The Eastern Orthodox do not believe the in the same “Substitutionary Atonemnent” as the Western World, which is quite interesting considering that they trace their Church back to the original one of Peter and Paul.
Quote (shimmer @ Feb. 07 2012,06:57) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 07 2012,08:29) These are the words of Jesus John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.If the flesh profiteth nothing than sacrificing the flesh can do nothing
John 16:16
King James Version (KJV)
16A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.
Notice he did not say that I will be killed and go to the Father?
Bod yes so, Jesus's own words say this:First jesus' words in Matthew:
“Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.”
And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you; for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.”Then in Revelation, firstly who is speaking this?
“The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants what must soon take place; and he made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw. “
And it says:
“Weep not; lo, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals.”
And between the throne and the four living creatures and among the elders, I saw a Lamb standing, as though it had been slain, with seven horns and with seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth; and he went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who was seated on the throne.
And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints; and they sang a new song, saying, “Worthy art thou to take the scroll and to open its seals, for thou wast slain and by thy blood didst ransom men for God from every tribe and tongue and people and nation, and hast made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they shall reign on earth.”
Then I looked, and I heard around the throne and the living creatures and the elders the voice of many angels, numbering myriads of myriads and thousands of thousands, saying with a loud voice, “Worthy is the Lamb who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing!”
The Eastern Orthodox do not believe the in the same “Substitutionary Atonemnent” as the Western World, which is quite interesting considering that they trace their Church back to the original one of Peter and Paul.
You notice it doesn't say the lamb “Jesus”?Plus it says “that may soon take place” wasn't Jesus supposed to already have been killed?
Bod, it doesn't need to say the Lamb is Jesus, you just KNOW when the Spirit of truth leads you. Do you not see that it is speaking of Jesus as the Lamb? Who do you think the Lamb is then??
Quote (shimmer @ Feb. 07 2012,12:58) Bod, it doesn't need to say the Lamb is Jesus, you just KNOW when the Spirit of truth leads you. Do you not see that it is speaking of Jesus as the Lamb? Who do you think the Lamb is then??
I don't have a problem with it at all because it was a vision but my point is you see that as Jesus because it fits but when I talk about the Scapegoat that is for the atonement that doesn't get sacrificed but is set free suddenly you don't see JesusBod, it doesn't matter what you compare with what. The truth is the truth and that truth is with Jesus. If you continually fight against what was writen in the Holy Bible, and claim that some other man came along what? 600 years later, heard a whisper or a voice, and claimed it was the Angel Gabriel, and then had people after him write the Quran, and you – a Christian – come along and read it and claim that to you it makes sense, and answers many questions that you had in regard to the Bible… Bod – why did you have doubts in the first place? What made you doubt? Can you answer that please Bod?
Bod,
How long have I been on this Forum now – two years? I have seen so much Bod. I have seen so many pointless arguements, and I have come to the conclussion that what people do is they REWRITE their point of view (or conclussion) over and over and over untill it sounds so good that they are almost trying to SELL you something. What? Themselves? Their own version of truth?
If they have the truth – each individual, then why is each individuals version of truth so much different? Ok – I can see where that is where Islam is much better, because they only have one truth, and it isn't so confusing. But the only confusion which people have made out of the words of Jesus and of the Bible is that they doubted. They SEARCHED for the truth, and they looked everywhere they could – on the Net, on Forums, in Books, in Ancient Writings, in the Bible, everywhere except where they should be looking – to God! Jesus is the Teacher- that is something I have come to learn. We are not our own Teacher. Once the Holy Spirit has come into our life and shown us things, and opened our mind to the Scriputure, then all that is needed thereafter is prayer and communication with God – and obediance to God. See, it doesn't matter what you know or how well you can present or argue what you know – if you have no love – then you have nothing. It is the only thing that will remain – anyone can have knowledge or think that they have all of the knowledge, but if they have no love then it is pointless. (1Cor.13:
If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.
And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
If I give away all I have, and if I deliver my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing.Love is patient and kind; love is not jealous or boastful; it is not arrogant or rude.
Love does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrong, but rejoices in the right.
Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.Love never ends; as for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away.
For our knowledge is imperfect and our prophecy is imperfect; but when the perfect comes, the imperfect will pass away.
When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child; when I became a man, I gave up childish ways.
For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall understand fully, even as I have been fully understood.
So faith, hope, love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.I have another question Bod.
Why do you doubt Paul so much?
I have learnt so much off the Apostle Paul lately!Quote (shimmer @ Feb. 07 2012,18:39) Bod, it doesn't matter what you compare with what. The truth is the truth and that truth is with Jesus. If you continually fight against what was writen in the Holy Bible, and claim that some other man came along what? 600 years later, heard a whisper or a voice, and claimed it was the Angel Gabriel, and then had people after him write the Quran, and you – a Christian – come along and read it and claim that to you it makes sense, and answers many questions that you had in regard to the Bible… Bod – why did you have doubts in the first place? What made you doubt? Can you answer that please Bod?
I didn't have any doubs and never stopped reading the Bible I added to my knowledge of God not subtract anything it is a matter of progression to me these things link together perfectly in-fact the Quran made the Bible come alive and become much more vivid I believed in the Bible even more but upon believing more you can also see things from a free moving dynamic perspective, once these authors become real people to you, you can see for instance how John writes with a certain bias always referring himself to “the one whom Jesus loved” so with that bias in mind you study from that position.It is John who writes John 1:1 making it seem as if Jesus is God, It is John that doesn't have Jesus crying and asking to be saved it is John' account that has him out running everyone to the tomb, it is John that leaves out the miraculous birth of Jesus.
So each Author becomes alive and there style and motives become alive as well
HI BD,
You mean like Mohammad controlling people
through threats of murder and a false god?B'shem
YHVHQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 08 2012,15:28) HI BD, You mean like Mohammad controlling people
through threats of murder and a false god?B'shem
YHVH
none of that is recorded in the Quran so it doesn't seem like reliable information it would be like me telling you Jesus fell in love with a prostitute(Mary Magladene) but surely that would be unreliable so these types of silly accusations should not even be considered.
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