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Hi Rudy,
Do you cling to the antichrist doctrine?Jesus Christ came in the flesh not his Father. His Father sent him but remained in Heaven where Jesus told us to pray to Him. He filled Jesus with His Spirit but He remained in heaven
“Our Father, who art in Heaven..” Simple isn't it?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 13 2005,22:47) Hi liljon,
Who is the redeemer? God is [ps 19.14,26.11,49.15,Is 63.16.Jb 19.25]
But we are redeemed through Jesus [Rom 3.24, Tit 2.14,Eph 1.7]Whos is the Saviour? God is [Ps 106.21, Is 43 11, Is 45.21, Is 49.26.1Tim 4 10]
But who is salvation through? Jesus[Is 19.20,Lk 2.11,2 Tim 1.10, 2 peter 1.11]1Jn 4.14″ And we have beheld and bear witness that the FATHER HAS SENT THE SON to be the Saviour of the world”
Hi Rudy,
Jesus is the servant who brings God's salvation to men.Some evidence showing that YHWH and YESHUA are NOT the same individual:
Luke 4:17 And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He had opened the book, He found the place where it was written:
18 “The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me,
Because He has anointed Me
To preach the gospel to the poor;
He has sent Me *to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives
And recovery of sight to the blind,
To set at liberty those who are oppressed;
19 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.”*20 Then He closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant and sat down.
Compare to
Isaiah 61:1″The Spirit of the Lord God is upon Me,
Because the Lord has anointed Me
To preach good tidings to the poor;
He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives,
And the opening of the prison to those who are bound;
2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord,The greek uses “kurios” for Lord in the NT. But since we know that this is a quote from the OT, it can be established which kurios/Lord is being spoken of.
- The RUWACH 07307 'ADONAY 0136 Y@HOVIH 03069 is upon YESHUA
- YHWH anointed him YESHUA.
Yeshua didn't use his own spirit nor did he anoint himself. All consistent with OT & NT teachings of who Christ is.
More to come.This also is evidence that the Spirit is the Lord God's, and that the Lord God is the Father of Christ, YHWH. Thus Isaiah 61:1 belongs in the thread titled, “Understanding the Holy Spirit…”
Quite so cubes,
Sent by the Father, anointed with the Spirit of the Father to do the work of the Father in the Father's name.Quote (liljon @ April 30 2005,10:37) 1 peter 1:11 Spirit of Christ
Yahweh Is Jesus Zechariah 14:5 Romans 10 1 Thess 3:13 Hebrews 1:10
Oh so when Jesus was transfigured, who was it who spoke from heaven and said “this is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased”?So if Jesus/Yeshua is Yahweh then who was it who spoke?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 29 2005,02:25) Quite so cubes,
Sent by the Father, anointed with the Spirit of the Father to do the work of the Father in the Father's name.
Hi Nick and All:Well, right now I submit Isaiah 7 & 8, with focus on Is 7:10-14, and 8:5-10: It is the first instance I've noticed in Isaiah where Messiah is prophesied. YHWH Sent Isaiah to King Ahaz of Judah to assure him because Ephraim (Northern Israel) had conspired with Syria against Judah. God wanted them to know that he is with them (Immanuel). Not happy with their doings, but with them:
Isaiah 7:10 Moreover the LORD spoke again to Ahaz, saying, 11 “Ask a sign for yourself from the LORD your God; ask it either in the depth or in the height above.”
12 But Ahaz said, “I will not ask, nor will I test the LORD!”
13 Then he said, “Hear now, O house of David! Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will you weary my God also? 14 Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel.*Isaiah 8: 5 The LORD also spoke to me again, saying:
6 “Inasmuch as these people refused
The waters of Shiloah that flow softly,
And rejoice in Rezin and in Remaliah's son;
7 Now therefore, behold, the Lord brings up over them
The waters of *the River, strong and mighty–
The king of Assyria and all his glory;
He will go up over all his channels
And go over all his banks.
8 He will pass through Judah,
He will overflow and pass over,
He will reach up to the neck;
And the stretching out of his wings
Will fill the breadth of Your land, O Immanuel.*9 “Be shattered, O you peoples, and be broken in pieces!
Give ear, all you from far countries.
Gird yourselves, but be broken in pieces;
Gird yourselves, but be broken in pieces.
10 Take counsel together, but it will come to nothing;
Speak the word, but it will not stand,
For *God is with us.”So, it was YHWH who sent Isaiah to prophesy a sign of the Son being conceived and born of a virgin.
It was YHWH who wanted to let them know that he (GOD) is with them.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 29 2005,21:25) Quite so cubes,
Sent by the Father, anointed with the Spirit of the Father to do the work of the Father in the Father's name.
Yes and we are sent by Christ, anointed by the Spirit to do the works of God in the name of Yeshua our Lord.Christ came in his Father's name and we come in his name.
It reminds me of the following scripture:
Revelation 3:21
To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne.Yeshua is truly our Lord. But the Father is truly God, even the God of Yeshua.
T8 don't ignore those passages and continue with your own theories. You're confusing Modalism with Trinitarianism
Really liljon?
Show me where it is written.
Or perhaps you are really clever and you have come to this conclusion yourself?So liljon,
Say that again
“Our trinity which art..”??
Naah
You speak with the voice of a stranger.
What is that dark fur I see under your fleece?I think I will stay close to my Shepherd.
trinity is a word that describes god. the word trinity not being in the bible is the worst argument.
Quote trinity is a word that describes god. the word trinity not being in the bible is the worst argument. No, actually the worst argument is this:
“No, the word 'trinity' is not in the bible. It's true that phrases like 'God the Son', 'God the Holy Spirit', and 'three in one' are completely absent from scripture. Yes, it's also true that certain aspects of Trinitarian doctrine, like the co-equality and co-eternality of the Son, are directly refuted in scripture by verses like Luke 1:35, Psalm 2:7, and 1 Corinthians 11:3 to name a few. However, I still believe that the Trinity is a biblical teaching, and not just a man-made evolving theory about God that took the 'church fathers' several centuries to 'perfect'.”
That's the worst argument, and that's the one every Trinitarian has to make.
(For those who have ears to hear, read the following. The author's personal opinion about God is erroneous, but the historical facts that he cites about the evolving doctrine of the Trinity are priceless. Go here: http://mikeblume.com/modoldtr.htm )
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