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Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 15 2013,01:06) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 15 2013,12:04) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 15 2013,02:27) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 15 2013,07:23) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 15 2013,02:20) 2 Kings 19:21 This is the word that the LORD hath spoken concerning him; The virgin the *daughter of Zion* hath despised thee, and laughed thee to scorn; the *daughter of Jerusalem* hath shaken her head at thee. Psalms 9:14 That I may shew forth all thy praise in the gates of the *daughter of Zion*: I will rejoice in thy salvation.
Isaiah 1:8 And the *daughter of Zion* is left as a cottage in a vineyard, as a lodge in a garden of cucumbers, as a besieged city.
Isaiah 10:32 As yet shall he remain at Nob that day: he shall shake his hand against the mount of the *daughter of Zion*, the hill of Jerusalem.
Isaiah 16:1 Send ye the lamb to the ruler of the land from Sela to the wilderness, unto the mount of the *daughter of Zion*.
Isaiah 37:22 This is the word which the LORD hath spoken concerning him; The virgin, the *daughter of Zion*, hath despised thee, and laughed thee to scorn; the *daughter of Jerusalem* hath shaken her head at thee.
Isaiah 52:2 Shake thyself from the dust; arise, and sit down, O Jerusalem: loose thyself from the bands of thy neck, O captive *daughter of Zion*.
Isaiah 62:11 Behold, the LORD hath proclaimed unto the end of the world, Say ye to the *daughter of Zion*, Behold, thy salvation cometh; behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.
Jeremiah 4:31 For I have heard a voice as of a woman in travail, and the anguish as of her that bringeth forth her first child, the voice of the *daughter of Zion*, that bewaileth herself, that spreadeth her hands, saying, Woe is me now! for my soul is wearied because of murderers.
Jeremiah 6:2 I have likened the *daughter of Zion* to a comely and delicate woman.
Jeremiah 6:23 They shall lay hold on bow and spear; they are cruel, and have no mercy; their voice roareth like the sea; and they ride upon horses, set in array as men for war against thee, *O daughter of Zion*.
Lamentations 1:6 And from the *daughter of Zion* all her beauty is departed: her princes are become like harts that find no pasture, and they are gone without strength before the pursuer.
Lamentations 2:1 How hath the Lord covered the *daughter of Zion* with a cloud in his anger, and cast down from heaven unto the earth the beauty of Israel, and remembered not his footstool in the day of his anger!
Lamentations 2:4 He hath bent his bow like an enemy: he stood with his right hand as an adversary, and slew all that were pleasant to the eye in the tabernacle of the *daughter of Zion*: he poured out his fury like fire.
Lamentations 2:8 The LORD hath purposed to destroy the wall of the *daughter of Zion*: he hath stretched out a line, he hath not withdrawn his hand from destroying: therefore he made the rampart and the wall to lament; they languished together.
Lamentations 2:10 The elders of the *daughter of Zion* sit upon the ground, and keep silence: they have cast up dust upon their heads; they have girded themselves with sackcloth: *the virgins of Jerusalem* hang down their heads to the ground.
Lamentations 2:13 What thing shall I take to witness for thee? what thing shall I liken to thee, *O daughter of Jerusalem*? what shall I equal to thee, that I may comfort thee, *O virgin daughter of Zion*? for thy breach is great like the sea: who can heal thee?
Lamentations 2:18 Their heart cried unto the Lord, O wall of the *daughter of Zion*, let tears run down like a river day and night: give thyself no rest; let not the apple of thine eye cease.
Lamentations 4:22 The punishment of thine iniquity is accomplished, *O daughter of Zion*; he will no more carry thee away into captivity: he will visit thine iniquity, O daughter of Edom; he will discover thy sins.
Micah 1:13 O thou inhabitant of Lachish, bind the chariot to the swift beast: she is the beginning of the sin to the *daughter of Zion*: for the transgressions of Israel were found in thee.
Micah 4:8 And thou, O tower of the flock, the strong hold of the *daughter of Zion*, unto thee shall it come, even the *first dominion*; the kingdom shall come to the daughter of Jerusalem.
Micah 4:10 Be in pain, and labour to bring forth, O *daughter of Zion*, like a woman in travail: for now shalt thou go forth out of the city, and thou shalt dwell in the field, and thou shalt go even to Babylon; there shalt thou be delivered; there the LORD shall redeem thee from the hand of thine enemies.(SHE IS OF BABYLON NOW).
Micah 4:13 Arise and thresh, *O daughter of Zion*: for I will make thine horn iron, and *I will* make thy hoofs brass: and thou shalt beat in pieces many people: and I will consecrate their gain unto the LORD, and their substance unto the Lord of the whole earth.
Zephaniah 3:14 Sing, *O daughter of Zion*; shout, O Israel; be glad and rejoice with all the heart, *O daughter of Jerusalem*.
Zechariah 2:10 Sing and rejoice, *O daughter of Zion*: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the LORD.
Zechariah 9:9 Rejoice greatly, *O daughter of Zion*; shout, *O daughter of Jerusalem*: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.
wakeup.
wupand what is your point
why are you calling all those scriptures for
Terra.How can you ever understand if you dont read them?
wakeup.
you remember how you complain for me doing that ,I am done bye wup
There is THE DAUGHTER OF ZION.
There must be mother Zion.1. Who is the daughter of Zion?
2. and who is the mother of Zion?anyone?
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Gal.4:26 But the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Peace……
Quote (t8 @ Jan. 24 2013,08:51) Yes it could be the Jerusalem from above.
I am glad you could see,and except scriptures.wakeup.
yes ,but at the time of John ,he was not in heaven and so the heavenly Jerusalem was not complete ,or if any member of the 144k redeemed were missing ,
the temple of Solomon was also a copy of the things to come ,
Quote (abe @ Jan. 23 2013,11:28) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 15 2013,01:06) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 15 2013,12:04) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 15 2013,02:27) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 15 2013,07:23) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 15 2013,02:20) 2 Kings 19:21 This is the word that the LORD hath spoken concerning him; The virgin the *daughter of Zion* hath despised thee, and laughed thee to scorn; the *daughter of Jerusalem* hath shaken her head at thee. Psalms 9:14 That I may shew forth all thy praise in the gates of the *daughter of Zion*: I will rejoice in thy salvation.
Isaiah 1:8 And the *daughter of Zion* is left as a cottage in a vineyard, as a lodge in a garden of cucumbers, as a besieged city.
Isaiah 10:32 As yet shall he remain at Nob that day: he shall shake his hand against the mount of the *daughter of Zion*, the hill of Jerusalem.
Isaiah 16:1 Send ye the lamb to the ruler of the land from Sela to the wilderness, unto the mount of the *daughter of Zion*.
Isaiah 37:22 This is the word which the LORD hath spoken concerning him; The virgin, the *daughter of Zion*, hath despised thee, and laughed thee to scorn; the *daughter of Jerusalem* hath shaken her head at thee.
Isaiah 52:2 Shake thyself from the dust; arise, and sit down, O Jerusalem: loose thyself from the bands of thy neck, O captive *daughter of Zion*.
Isaiah 62:11 Behold, the LORD hath proclaimed unto the end of the world, Say ye to the *daughter of Zion*, Behold, thy salvation cometh; behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.
Jeremiah 4:31 For I have heard a voice as of a woman in travail, and the anguish as of her that bringeth forth her first child, the voice of the *daughter of Zion*, that bewaileth herself, that spreadeth her hands, saying, Woe is me now! for my soul is wearied because of murderers.
Jeremiah 6:2 I have likened the *daughter of Zion* to a comely and delicate woman.
Jeremiah 6:23 They shall lay hold on bow and spear; they are cruel, and have no mercy; their voice roareth like the sea; and they ride upon horses, set in array as men for war against thee, *O daughter of Zion*.
Lamentations 1:6 And from the *daughter of Zion* all her beauty is departed: her princes are become like harts that find no pasture, and they are gone without strength before the pursuer.
Lamentations 2:1 How hath the Lord covered the *daughter of Zion* with a cloud in his anger, and cast down from heaven unto the earth the beauty of Israel, and remembered not his footstool in the day of his anger!
Lamentations 2:4 He hath bent his bow like an enemy: he stood with his right hand as an adversary, and slew all that were pleasant to the eye in the tabernacle of the *daughter of Zion*: he poured out his fury like fire.
Lamentations 2:8 The LORD hath purposed to destroy the wall of the *daughter of Zion*: he hath stretched out a line, he hath not withdrawn his hand from destroying: therefore he made the rampart and the wall to lament; they languished together.
Lamentations 2:10 The elders of the *daughter of Zion* sit upon the ground, and keep silence: they have cast up dust upon their heads; they have girded themselves with sackcloth: *the virgins of Jerusalem* hang down their heads to the ground.
Lamentations 2:13 What thing shall I take to witness for thee? what thing shall I liken to thee, *O daughter of Jerusalem*? what shall I equal to thee, that I may comfort thee, *O virgin daughter of Zion*? for thy breach is great like the sea: who can heal thee?
Lamentations 2:18 Their heart cried unto the Lord, O wall of the *daughter of Zion*, let tears run down like a river day and night: give thyself no rest; let not the apple of thine eye cease.
Lamentations 4:22 The punishment of thine iniquity is accomplished, *O daughter of Zion*; he will no more carry thee away into captivity: he will visit thine iniquity, O daughter of Edom; he will discover thy sins.
Micah 1:13 O thou inhabitant of Lachish, bind the chariot to the swift beast: she is the beginning of the sin to the *daughter of Zion*: for the transgressions of Israel were found in thee.
Micah 4:8 And thou, O tower of the flock, the strong hold of the *daughter of Zion*, unto thee shall it come, even the *first dominion*; the kingdom shall come to the daughter of Jerusalem.
Micah 4:10 Be in pain, and labour to bring forth, O *daughter of Zion*, like a woman in travail: for now shalt thou go forth out of the city, and thou shalt dwell in the field, and thou shalt go even to Babylon; there shalt thou be delivered; there the LORD shall redeem thee from the hand of thine enemies.(SHE IS OF BABYLON NOW).
Micah 4:13 Arise and thresh, *O daughter of Zion*: for I will make thine horn iron, and *I will* make thy hoofs brass: and thou shalt beat in pieces many people: and I will consecrate their gain unto the LORD, and their substance unto the Lord of the whole earth.
Zephaniah 3:14 Sing, *O daughter of Zion*; shout, O Israel; be glad and rejoice with all the heart, *O daughter of Jerusalem*.
Zechariah 2:10 Sing and rejoice, *O daughter of Zion*: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the LORD.
Zechariah 9:9 Rejoice greatly, *O daughter of Zion*; shout, *O daughter of Jerusalem*: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.
wakeup.
wupand what is your point
why are you calling all those scriptures for
Terra.How can you ever understand if you dont read them?
wakeup.
you remember how you complain for me doing that ,I am done bye wup
There is THE DAUGHTER OF ZION.
There must be mother Zion.1. Who is the daughter of Zion?
2. and who is the mother of Zion?anyone?
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Gal.4:26 But the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Peace……
Hi,Rom.9:8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh,
these are not the children of God; but the children of the PROMISE are counted as the seed.Gal.3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the PROMISES made. He does not say, and to seeds, as of many, but as of one, And to your seed who is Christ.
Rom12:5 So we being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
Peace brothers….
Quote (abe @ Jan. 23 2013,15:34) Quote (abe @ Jan. 23 2013,11:28) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 15 2013,01:06) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 15 2013,12:04) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 15 2013,02:27) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 15 2013,07:23) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 15 2013,02:20) 2 Kings 19:21 This is the word that the LORD hath spoken concerning him; The virgin the *daughter of Zion* hath despised thee, and laughed thee to scorn; the *daughter of Jerusalem* hath shaken her head at thee. Psalms 9:14 That I may shew forth all thy praise in the gates of the *daughter of Zion*: I will rejoice in thy salvation.
Isaiah 1:8 And the *daughter of Zion* is left as a cottage in a vineyard, as a lodge in a garden of cucumbers, as a besieged city.
Isaiah 10:32 As yet shall he remain at Nob that day: he shall shake his hand against the mount of the *daughter of Zion*, the hill of Jerusalem.
Isaiah 16:1 Send ye the lamb to the ruler of the land from Sela to the wilderness, unto the mount of the *daughter of Zion*.
Isaiah 37:22 This is the word which the LORD hath spoken concerning him; The virgin, the *daughter of Zion*, hath despised thee, and laughed thee to scorn; the *daughter of Jerusalem* hath shaken her head at thee.
Isaiah 52:2 Shake thyself from the dust; arise, and sit down, O Jerusalem: loose thyself from the bands of thy neck, O captive *daughter of Zion*.
Isaiah 62:11 Behold, the LORD hath proclaimed unto the end of the world, Say ye to the *daughter of Zion*, Behold, thy salvation cometh; behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.
Jeremiah 4:31 For I have heard a voice as of a woman in travail, and the anguish as of her that bringeth forth her first child, the voice of the *daughter of Zion*, that bewaileth herself, that spreadeth her hands, saying, Woe is me now! for my soul is wearied because of murderers.
Jeremiah 6:2 I have likened the *daughter of Zion* to a comely and delicate woman.
Jeremiah 6:23 They shall lay hold on bow and spear; they are cruel, and have no mercy; their voice roareth like the sea; and they ride upon horses, set in array as men for war against thee, *O daughter of Zion*.
Lamentations 1:6 And from the *daughter of Zion* all her beauty is departed: her princes are become like harts that find no pasture, and they are gone without strength before the pursuer.
Lamentations 2:1 How hath the Lord covered the *daughter of Zion* with a cloud in his anger, and cast down from heaven unto the earth the beauty of Israel, and remembered not his footstool in the day of his anger!
Lamentations 2:4 He hath bent his bow like an enemy: he stood with his right hand as an adversary, and slew all that were pleasant to the eye in the tabernacle of the *daughter of Zion*: he poured out his fury like fire.
Lamentations 2:8 The LORD hath purposed to destroy the wall of the *daughter of Zion*: he hath stretched out a line, he hath not withdrawn his hand from destroying: therefore he made the rampart and the wall to lament; they languished together.
Lamentations 2:10 The elders of the *daughter of Zion* sit upon the ground, and keep silence: they have cast up dust upon their heads; they have girded themselves with sackcloth: *the virgins of Jerusalem* hang down their heads to the ground.
Lamentations 2:13 What thing shall I take to witness for thee? what thing shall I liken to thee, *O daughter of Jerusalem*? what shall I equal to thee, that I may comfort thee, *O virgin daughter of Zion*? for thy breach is great like the sea: who can heal thee?
Lamentations 2:18 Their heart cried unto the Lord, O wall of the *daughter of Zion*, let tears run down like a river day and night: give thyself no rest; let not the apple of thine eye cease.
Lamentations 4:22 The punishment of thine iniquity is accomplished, *O daughter of Zion*; he will no more carry thee away into captivity: he will visit thine iniquity, O daughter of Edom; he will discover thy sins.
Micah 1:13 O thou inhabitant of Lachish, bind the chariot to the swift beast: she is the beginning of the sin to the *daughter of Zion*: for the transgressions of Israel were found in thee.
Micah 4:8 And thou, O tower of the flock, the strong hold of the *daughter of Zion*, unto thee shall it come, even the *first dominion*; the kingdom shall come to the daughter of Jerusalem.
Micah 4:10 Be in pain, and labour to bring forth, O *daughter of Zion*, like a woman in travail: for now shalt thou go forth out of the city, and thou shalt dwell in the field, and thou shalt go even to Babylon; there shalt thou be delivered; there the LORD shall redeem thee from the hand of thine enemies.(SHE IS OF BABYLON NOW).
Micah 4:13 Arise and thresh, *O daughter of Zion*: for I will make thine horn iron, and *I will* make thy hoofs brass: and thou shalt beat in pieces many people: and I will consecrate their gain unto the LORD, and their substance unto the Lord of the whole earth.
Zephaniah 3:14 Sing, *O daughter of Zion*; shout, O Israel; be glad and rejoice with all the heart, *O daughter of Jerusalem*.
Zechariah 2:10 Sing and rejoice, *O daughter of Zion*: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the LORD.
Zechariah 9:9 Rejoice greatly, *O daughter of Zion*; shout, *O daughter of Jerusalem*: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.
wakeup.
wupand what is your point
why are you calling all those scriptures for
Terra.How can you ever understand if you dont read them?
wakeup.
you remember how you complain for me doing that ,I am done bye wup
There is THE DAUGHTER OF ZION.
There must be mother Zion.1. Who is the daughter of Zion?
2. and who is the mother of Zion?anyone?
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Gal.4:26 But the Jerusalem abov
e is free, which is the mother of us all.Peace……
Hi,Rom.9:8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the PROMISE are counted as the seed.
Gal.3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the PROMISES made. He does not say, and to seeds, as of many, but as of one, And to your seed who is Christ.
Rom12:5 So we being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
Peace brothers….
Hi,Acts2:32-33 This Jesus, God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses. Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the PROMISE of the Holy Spirit. He poured out this which you now see and hear.
:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has MADE this Jesus, whom you crucified, both LORD and CHRIST.
:39 For the PROMISE is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off as many as the Lord our God will call.
Peace brothers….
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2013,10:13) yes ,but at the time of John ,he was not in heaven and so the heavenly Jerusalem was not complete ,or if any member of the 144k redeemed were missing , the temple of Solomon was also a copy of the things to come ,
Terra.Heavenly Jerusalem was before the world was.
Gods doctrine,ethics already existed.
His will was before the world was.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 24 2013,07:00) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2013,10:13) yes ,but at the time of John ,he was not in heaven and so the heavenly Jerusalem was not complete ,or if any member of the 144k redeemed were missing , the temple of Solomon was also a copy of the things to come ,
Terra.Heavenly Jerusalem was before the world was.
Gods doctrine,ethics already existed.
His will was before the world was.wakeup.
wupwhat you mean the heavenly Jerusalem was before the world was
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2013,12:23) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 24 2013,07:00) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2013,10:13) yes ,but at the time of John ,he was not in heaven and so the heavenly Jerusalem was not complete ,or if any member of the 144k redeemed were missing , the temple of Solomon was also a copy of the things to come ,
Terra.Heavenly Jerusalem was before the world was.
Gods doctrine,ethics already existed.
His will was before the world was.wakeup.
wupwhat you mean the heavenly Jerusalem was before the world was
Terra.His ethics,his will was before all.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 24 2013,14:36) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2013,12:23) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 24 2013,07:00) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2013,10:13) yes ,but at the time of John ,he was not in heaven and so the heavenly Jerusalem was not complete ,or if any member of the 144k redeemed were missing , the temple of Solomon was also a copy of the things to come ,
Terra.Heavenly Jerusalem was before the world was.
Gods doctrine,ethics already existed.
His will was before the world was.wakeup.
wupwhat you mean the heavenly Jerusalem was before the world was
Terra.His ethics,his will was before all.
wakeup.
wupI do know that God as no beginning so I have to conclude that his mind was with him at all time,
but what you try to say is that ;all what as been done in creation ,that that was always there from the beginning right
this is to say that God's LOVE was always in him
Quote (abe @ Jan. 24 2013,06:28) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 15 2013,01:06) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 15 2013,12:04) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 15 2013,02:27) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 15 2013,07:23) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 15 2013,02:20) 2 Kings 19:21 This is the word that the LORD hath spoken concerning him; The virgin the *daughter of Zion* hath despised thee, and laughed thee to scorn; the *daughter of Jerusalem* hath shaken her head at thee. Psalms 9:14 That I may shew forth all thy praise in the gates of the *daughter of Zion*: I will rejoice in thy salvation.
Isaiah 1:8 And the *daughter of Zion* is left as a cottage in a vineyard, as a lodge in a garden of cucumbers, as a besieged city.
Isaiah 10:32 As yet shall he remain at Nob that day: he shall shake his hand against the mount of the *daughter of Zion*, the hill of Jerusalem.
Isaiah 16:1 Send ye the lamb to the ruler of the land from Sela to the wilderness, unto the mount of the *daughter of Zion*.
Isaiah 37:22 This is the word which the LORD hath spoken concerning him; The virgin, the *daughter of Zion*, hath despised thee, and laughed thee to scorn; the *daughter of Jerusalem* hath shaken her head at thee.
Isaiah 52:2 Shake thyself from the dust; arise, and sit down, O Jerusalem: loose thyself from the bands of thy neck, O captive *daughter of Zion*.
Isaiah 62:11 Behold, the LORD hath proclaimed unto the end of the world, Say ye to the *daughter of Zion*, Behold, thy salvation cometh; behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.
Jeremiah 4:31 For I have heard a voice as of a woman in travail, and the anguish as of her that bringeth forth her first child, the voice of the *daughter of Zion*, that bewaileth herself, that spreadeth her hands, saying, Woe is me now! for my soul is wearied because of murderers.
Jeremiah 6:2 I have likened the *daughter of Zion* to a comely and delicate woman.
Jeremiah 6:23 They shall lay hold on bow and spear; they are cruel, and have no mercy; their voice roareth like the sea; and they ride upon horses, set in array as men for war against thee, *O daughter of Zion*.
Lamentations 1:6 And from the *daughter of Zion* all her beauty is departed: her princes are become like harts that find no pasture, and they are gone without strength before the pursuer.
Lamentations 2:1 How hath the Lord covered the *daughter of Zion* with a cloud in his anger, and cast down from heaven unto the earth the beauty of Israel, and remembered not his footstool in the day of his anger!
Lamentations 2:4 He hath bent his bow like an enemy: he stood with his right hand as an adversary, and slew all that were pleasant to the eye in the tabernacle of the *daughter of Zion*: he poured out his fury like fire.
Lamentations 2:8 The LORD hath purposed to destroy the wall of the *daughter of Zion*: he hath stretched out a line, he hath not withdrawn his hand from destroying: therefore he made the rampart and the wall to lament; they languished together.
Lamentations 2:10 The elders of the *daughter of Zion* sit upon the ground, and keep silence: they have cast up dust upon their heads; they have girded themselves with sackcloth: *the virgins of Jerusalem* hang down their heads to the ground.
Lamentations 2:13 What thing shall I take to witness for thee? what thing shall I liken to thee, *O daughter of Jerusalem*? what shall I equal to thee, that I may comfort thee, *O virgin daughter of Zion*? for thy breach is great like the sea: who can heal thee?
Lamentations 2:18 Their heart cried unto the Lord, O wall of the *daughter of Zion*, let tears run down like a river day and night: give thyself no rest; let not the apple of thine eye cease.
Lamentations 4:22 The punishment of thine iniquity is accomplished, *O daughter of Zion*; he will no more carry thee away into captivity: he will visit thine iniquity, O daughter of Edom; he will discover thy sins.
Micah 1:13 O thou inhabitant of Lachish, bind the chariot to the swift beast: she is the beginning of the sin to the *daughter of Zion*: for the transgressions of Israel were found in thee.
Micah 4:8 And thou, O tower of the flock, the strong hold of the *daughter of Zion*, unto thee shall it come, even the *first dominion*; the kingdom shall come to the daughter of Jerusalem.
Micah 4:10 Be in pain, and labour to bring forth, O *daughter of Zion*, like a woman in travail: for now shalt thou go forth out of the city, and thou shalt dwell in the field, and thou shalt go even to Babylon; there shalt thou be delivered; there the LORD shall redeem thee from the hand of thine enemies.(SHE IS OF BABYLON NOW).
Micah 4:13 Arise and thresh, *O daughter of Zion*: for I will make thine horn iron, and *I will* make thy hoofs brass: and thou shalt beat in pieces many people: and I will consecrate their gain unto the LORD, and their substance unto the Lord of the whole earth.
Zephaniah 3:14 Sing, *O daughter of Zion*; shout, O Israel; be glad and rejoice with all the heart, *O daughter of Jerusalem*.
Zechariah 2:10 Sing and rejoice, *O daughter of Zion*: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the LORD.
Zechariah 9:9 Rejoice greatly, *O daughter of Zion*; shout, *O daughter of Jerusalem*: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.
wakeup.
wupand what is your point
why are you calling all those scriptures for
Terra.How can you ever understand if you dont read them?
wakeup.
you remember how you complain for me doing that ,I am done bye wup
There is THE DAUGHTER OF ZION.
There must be mother Zion.1. Who is the daughter of Zion?
2. and who is the mother of Zion?anyone?
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Gal.4:26 But the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Peace……
Well quoted Abe.Good on you.
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2013,20:00) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 24 2013,14:36) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2013,12:23) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 24 2013,07:00) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2013,10:13) yes ,but at the time of John ,he was not in heaven and so the heavenly Jerusalem was not complete ,or if any member of the 144k redeemed were missing , the temple of Solomon was also a copy of the things to come ,
Terra.Heavenly Jerusalem was before the world was.
Gods doctrine,ethics already existed.
His will was before the world was.wakeup.
wupwhat you mean the heavenly Jerusalem was before the world was
Terra.His ethics,his will was before all.
wakeup.
wupI do know that God as no beginning so I have to conclude that his mind was with him at all time,
but what you try to say is that ;all what as been done in creation ,that that was always there from the beginning right
this is to say that God's LOVE was always in him
Terra.Yes thats about it,but not only his love but his will and his ethics also.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 24 2013,05:00) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2013,20:00) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 24 2013,14:36) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2013,12:23) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 24 2013,07:00) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2013,10:13) yes ,but at the time of John ,he was not in heaven and so the heavenly Jerusalem was not complete ,or if any member of the 144k redeemed were missing , the temple of Solomon was also a copy of the things to come ,
Terra.Heavenly Jerusalem was before the world was.
Gods doctrine,ethics already existed.
His will was before the world was.wakeup.
wupwhat you mean the heavenly Jerusalem was before the world was
Terra.His ethics,his will was before all.
wakeup.
wupI do know that God as no beginning so I have to conclude that his mind was with him at all time,
but what you try to say is that ;all what as been done in creation ,that that was always there from the beginning right
this is to say that God's LOVE was always in him
Terra.Yes thats about it,but not only his love but his will and his ethics also.
wakeup.
Hi T, and W.U.,Rom.8:22-23 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaleth in pain together until now. And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the Firstfruits of the Spirit also groan inwardly as we eagerly await our adoption, the redemption of our bodies.
Rom.11:16 For if the FIRSTFRUITS be Holy, the lump is also Holy: and if the root be Holy, so are the branches.
1Cor15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the FIRSTFRUIT of them that slept.
Jer.2:3 Israel was holiness unto the LORD, and the Firstfruits of his increase: all that devour him shall offend; evil shall come upon them, saith the LORD.
Peace brothers.
Abe.
True, we christians will be the first fruits,but only them that are sealed, rev 7.
The rest must go through the great tribulation and then also resurrected. rev.7:14.to be joined together.Why do most of us have to go through the tribulation?
Because the sealed are the only ones that follow the Lamb wheresoever he goes; and the rest are kinda luke warm. A bit of Zion, and a bit of babylon attitude.The time comes soon that they must make a definite decision; TAKE THE MARK OR REFUSE.
To take the mark, is to sell your inheritance for a bowl of pottage.Many smooth,but lying words will be spoken, to take the mark,because it is Gods will, they will say. We need to build up our foundations to be able to resist.
He who saves his life shall loose it;he who loses his life for my sake, shall have eternal life.
He who loves father or mother,or brother and sister more than me. is not worthy of me.
wakeup.
Quote (abe @ Jan. 25 2013,01:23) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 24 2013,05:00) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2013,20:00) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 24 2013,14:36) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2013,12:23) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 24 2013,07:00) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2013,10:13) yes ,but at the time of John ,he was not in heaven and so the heavenly Jerusalem was not complete ,or if any member of the 144k redeemed were missing , the temple of Solomon was also a copy of the things to come ,
Terra.Heavenly Jerusalem was before the world was.
Gods doctrine,ethics already existed.
His will was before the world was.wakeup.
wupwhat you mean the heavenly Jerusalem was before the world was
Terra.His ethics,his will was before all.
wakeup.
wupI do know that God as no beginning so I have to conclude that his mind was with him at all time,
but what you try to say is that ;all what as been done in creation ,that that was always there from the beginning right
this is to say that God's LOVE was always in him
Terra.Yes thats about it,but not only his love but his will and his ethics also.
wakeup.
Hi T, and W.U.,Rom.8:22-23 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaleth in pain together until now. And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the Firstfruits of the Spirit also groan inwardly as we eagerly await our adoption, the redemption of our bodies.
Rom.11:16 For if the FIRSTFRUITS be Holy, the lump is also Holy: and if the root be Holy, so are the branches.
1Cor15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the FIRSTFRUIT of them that slept.
Jer.2:3 Israel was holiness unto the LORD, and the Firstfruits of his increase: all that devour him shall offend; evil shall come upon them, saith the LORD.
Peace brothers.
abethose scriptures are true ,but I am not one of Christ first fruits ,so even though I apply myself to all God's will and follow Christ as much as it is possible to me ,at the end it is God that elevate us not our selves ,
any way this is my understanding
Terra.
To have an idea if you are in the 144000 fold.
study these scriptures.We are in the end times,and knowledge will be poured upon the seekers.
John 6:26 Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled:: THESE FOLLOWERS ONLY FOLLOW JESUS FOR THEIR OWN PROFIT. FOR THEIR BELLY.(MATERIAL).
Go to church for the blessings,and personal gain.John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man SHALL GIVE UNTO YOU: for him hath GOD THE FATHER SEALED:: THESE FOLLOWERS FOLLOW JESUS FOR HIS TEACHINGS,THESE ARE THEM THAT GOD HAS SEALED,AND THEM JESUS WILL FEED WITH KNOWLEDGE.
2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, HAVING HIS SEAL, The Lord KNOWETH them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity:: GOD KNOWS THEM THAT ARE HIS; THEM THAT DO NOT PARTAKE IN WICKEDNESS, BUT WALK IN RIGHTEOUSNESS.
2 Timothy 2:20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour:
NOT ALL ARE THE SAME,SOME ARE GREATER THAN OTHERS.I SUPPOSE THE GOLD WILL BE THE FIRST RESURRECTED.Revelation 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the *TEMPLE* of God, and the *ALTAR*, and *THEM* that worship therein::THE TEMPLE IS WHERE GOD RESIDES,AND THE ALTAR IS WHERE THE SACRIFICES ARE PERFORMED. THESE ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE SACRIFICED THEM SELVES, TO STAY AWAY FROM THE SPIRIT OF BABYLON. SEPERATE FROM BABYLON. NOT OF BABYLON. COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE.REV.18:4.
Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple LEAVE OUT, and MEASURE IT NOT; for it is GIVEN unto the Gentiles: AND the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months:: THE REST IS NOT TO BE MEASURED;THE GENTILES WILL OVERWHELM THEM BECAUSE OF LACK OF KNOWLEDGE.
Revelation 14:3 And they sung *AS IT WERE A NEW SONG* before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and NO MAN COULD LEARN THAT SONG *BUT* the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth:: THE 144000 ARE THE ONES WITH A NEW SONG TO THE WORLD,BUT IT IS NOT REALLY A NEW SONG. IT ONLY LOOKS NEW TO THE MAJORITY.(AS A NEW SONG).THIS IS THE TRUTH,THAT LOOKS NEW TO THE MAJORITY.
GOD IS GETTING HIS SEALED ONES READY,BEFORE THE FIRST TRUMPET WILL SOUND.REV.7:3.
Hurt not the earth neither the sea,nor the trees,*TILL* we have sealed the sevants of our God **IN** their foreheads.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 25 2013,09:58) Terra. To have an idea if you are in the 144000 fold.
study these scriptures.We are in the end times,and knowledge will be poured upon the seekers.
John 6:26 Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled:: THESE FOLLOWERS ONLY FOLLOW JESUS FOR THEIR OWN PROFIT. FOR THEIR BELLY.(MATERIAL).
Go to church for the blessings,and personal gain.John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man SHALL GIVE UNTO YOU: for him hath GOD THE FATHER SEALED:: THESE FOLLOWERS FOLLOW JESUS FOR HIS TEACHINGS,THESE ARE THEM THAT GOD HAS SEALED,AND THEM JESUS WILL FEED WITH KNOWLEDGE.
2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, HAVING HIS SEAL, The Lord KNOWETH them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity:: GOD KNOWS THEM THAT ARE HIS; THEM THAT DO NOT PARTAKE IN WICKEDNESS, BUT WALK IN RIGHTEOUSNESS.
2 Timothy 2:20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour:
NOT ALL ARE THE SAME,SOME ARE GREATER THAN OTHERS.I SUPPOSE THE GOLD WILL BE THE FIRST RESURRECTED.Revelation 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the *TEMPLE* of God, and the *ALTAR*, and *THEM* that worship therein::THE TEMPLE IS WHERE GOD RESIDES,AND THE ALTAR IS WHERE THE SACRIFICES ARE PERFORMED. THESE ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE SACRIFICED THEM SELVES, TO STAY AWAY FROM THE SPIRIT OF BABYLON. SEPERATE FROM BABYLON. NOT OF BABYLON. COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE.REV.18:4.
Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple LEAVE OUT, and MEASURE IT NOT; for it is GIVEN unto the Gentiles: AND the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months:: THE REST IS NOT TO BE MEASURED;THE GENTILES WILL OVERWHELM THEM BECAUSE OF LACK OF KNOWLEDGE.
Revelation 14:3 And they sung *AS IT WERE A NEW SONG* before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and NO MAN COULD LEARN THAT SONG *BUT* the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth:: THE 144000 ARE THE ONES WITH A NEW SONG TO THE WORLD,BUT IT IS NOT REALLY A NEW SONG. IT ONLY LOOKS NEW TO THE MAJORITY.(AS A NEW SONG).THIS IS THE TRUTH,THAT LOOKS NEW TO THE MAJORITY.
GOD IS GETTING HIS SEALED ONES READY,BEFORE THE FIRST TRUMPET WILL SOUND.REV.7:3.
Hurt not the earth neither the sea,nor the trees,*TILL* we have sealed the sevants of our God **IN** their foreheads.
wakeup.
wupQuote Revelation 14:3 And they sung *AS IT WERE A NEW SONG* before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and NO MAN COULD LEARN THAT SONG *BUT* the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth:: THE 144000 ARE THE ONES WITH A NEW SONG TO THE WORLD,BUT IT IS NOT REALLY A NEW SONG. IT ONLY LOOKS NEW TO THE MAJORITY.(AS A NEW SONG).THIS IS THE TRUTH,THAT LOOKS NEW TO THE MAJORITY. you put importance to the NEW SONG ,and minimize the that they were redeemed ;
Rev 14:3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.
to me is ; that the reason that they could sing the new song is because they were redeemed from the earth and sinse they were the only ones (144k) NO ONE ELSE COULD SING THAT NEW SONG BUT THEM
so I have to say that I disagree with you here ,
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 24 2013,19:00) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2013,20:00) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 24 2013,14:36) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2013,12:23) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 24 2013,07:00) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2013,10:13) yes ,but at the time of John ,he was not in heaven and so the heavenly Jerusalem was not complete ,or if any member of the 144k redeemed were missing , the temple of Solomon was also a copy of the things to come ,
Terra.Heavenly Jerusalem was before the world was.
Gods doctrine,ethics already existed.
His will was before the world was.wakeup.
wupwhat you mean the heavenly Jerusalem was before the world was
Terra.His ethics,his will was before all.
wakeup.
wupI do know that God as no beginning so I have to conclude that his mind was with him at all time,
but what you try to say is that ;all what as been done in creation ,that that was always there from the beginning right
this is to say that God's LOVE was always in him
Terra.Yes thats about it,but not only his love but his will and his ethics also.
wakeup.
wupdo you really understand what you are saying to me
what I understand is that God was always God ,
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