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  • #336214
    abe
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    Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 18 2013,15:33)
    Col.1:18    He is also   head    of the  body,  the    church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything
     
    1Cor.12:27    Now    YOU    ARE   Christ's   BODY,   and individually members     OF     it.

    Did Christ marry his own BODY ??

    Peace brothers.[/quote]
    abe

    Did HE marry his sister or his mother?  Or BOTH.

    Past  Present  Future??[/quote]
    abe

    his half sister  :)[/quote]
    Hi T.

    Past?     Present ?    Future   ?

    Peace brother.[/quote]
    if it is according to the composition ,yes all three ;Past?     Present ?    Future   ?


    Hi T,

    Then you believe Jesus is married. I thought you said the Bride WAS the 144,000? And that has NOT taken place YET? I believe that part has happened.

    Rev.1:4 John, to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from Him who IS and who WAS and who IS TO COME, and from the seven spirits who are before his throne.

    Peace brother..

    #336217
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (abe @ Feb. 19 2013,08:33)

    Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 18 2013,15:33)
    Col.1:18    He is also   head    of the  body,  the    church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything
     
    1Cor.12:27    Now    YOU    ARE   Christ's   BODY,   and individually members     OF     it.

    Did Christ marry his own BODY ??

    Peace brothers.


    abe

    Did HE marry his sister or his mother?  Or BOTH.

    Past  Present  Future??[/quote]
    abe

    his half sister  :)[/quote]
    Hi T.

    Past?     Present ?    Future   ?

    Peace brother.[/quote]
    if it is according to the composition ,yes all three ;Past?     Present ?    Future   ?[/quote]
    Hi T,

    Then you believe Jesus is married. I thought you said the Bride  WAS  the 144,000? And that has NOT taken place  YET?  I believe that part has happened.

    Rev.1:4    John, to the seven churches which are in Asia:       Grace to you and peace from Him who   IS   and who   WAS   and who   IS TO COME,  and from the seven spirits who are before his throne.

    Peace brother..


    Abe

    the women or bride of Christ what are also the 144k are taken throughout all generation ,from the beginning until the end of this age ,and yes Christ and his bride are not united as a complete unit because I think that some still have to join that group ,

    1Th 4:15 According to the Lord’s own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.
    1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

    Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
    Rev 21:2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.

    well for your question –Did Christ marry his own BODY ??–

    to be honest there is no marriage in heaven ,Christ own words Angels do not get married ,but Christ and the bride or the 144k
    are helper to him in a function,but they ARE WITH HIM comparing with all others will be on earth,

    the marriage ,is the call of a feast ,so big and so joyful for all that are invited ,a feast for the glory of God and his son ,

    1Co 12:12 The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ.
    1Co 12:13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.
    1Co 12:14 Now the body is not made up of one part but of many.
    1Co 12:15 If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body.
    1Co 12:16 And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body.
    1Co 12:17 If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be?
    1Co 12:18 But in fact God has arranged the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be.
    1Co 12:19 If they were all one part, where would the body be?
    1Co 12:20 As it is, there are many parts, but one body.
    1Co 12:21 The eye cannot say to the hand, “I don’t need you!” And the head cannot say to the feet, “I don’t need you!”
    1Co 12:22 On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable,
    1Co 12:23 and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty,
    1Co 12:24 while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has combined the members of the body and has given greater honor to the parts that lacked it,
    1Co 12:25 so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other.
    1Co 12:26 If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.
    1Co 12:27 Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it.
    1Co 12:28 And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues.
    1Co 12:29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles?
    1Co 12:30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues ? Do all interpret?
    1Co 12:31 But eagerly desire the greater gifts.

    the above scriptures Paul shows how we are all interlink with Christ BODY , because the body of Christ is the gift with the blood that give us the way to God his father and our father ,and if we say that we belong to Christ it would be obvious that we all of the true Christians be link together in Christ body (redemption of our sins)and so also have his spirit of submission to God as far as our actions would be and also our heart and spirit,this would declare our unity with both God and the son ,Paul uses a human body in his description ,like all the different parts are yet united and work together to fulfill the work asked,this is how it should be and it will be in the new earth under the new heaven,

    #336319
    abe
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 15 2013,17:04)
    Col.1:18    He is also   head    of the  body,  the    church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything
     
    1Cor.12:27    Now    YOU    ARE   Christ's   BODY,   and individually members     OF     it.

    Did Christ marry his own BODY ??

    Peace brothers.[/quote]
    abe

    Quote
    Did Christ marry his own BODY ??

    are husband and wife not ONE BODY ???[/quote]
    Hi T.

    AMEN brother.

    Then Gods woman;heavenly Jerusalem will come down and the both will become one.Mother and daughter;one.
    God will take over,and He will be all in all.

    Amen.[/quote]
    Hi W.U.

    Heavenly jerusalem was always there with God,

    Is she part of creation?

    Peace brother.[/quote]
    Abe.

    Since God was;There she was. His principles are there with him.

    Hi WU,

    she came down and taught the 12 tribes,but she was

    Christ teachings is symolically his wife,and his sister.
    Only because through her, many children are born.

    He is not really getting married,its all symbolical.

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    He is not really getting married,its all symbolical.

    Then Gods woman;heavenly Jerusalem will come down and the both will become one.Mother and daughter;one.
    God will take over,and He will be all in all.

    What do YOU really BELIEVE ??

    Peace brother.

    #336320
    abe
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 18 2013,19:18)

    Quote (abe @ Feb. 19 2013,08:33)

    Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 18 2013,15:33)
    Col.1:18    He is also   head    of the  body,  the    church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything
     
    1Cor.12:27    Now    YOU    ARE   Christ's   BODY,   and individually members     OF     it.

    Did Christ marry his own BODY ??

    Peace brothers.


    abe

    Did HE marry his sister or his mother?  Or BOTH.

    Past  Present  Future??


    abe

    his half sister  :)[/quote]
    Hi T.

    Past?     Present ?    Future   ?

    Peace brother.[/quote]
    if it is according to the composition ,yes all three ;Past?     Present ?    Future   ?[/quote]
    Hi T,

    Then you believe Jesus is married. I thought you said the Bride  WAS  the 144,000? And that has NOT taken place  YET?  I believe that part has happened.

    Rev.1:4    John, to the seven churches which are in Asia:       Grace to you and peace from Him who   IS   and who   WAS   and who   IS TO COME,  and from the seven spirits who are before his throne.

    Peace brother..[/quote]
    Abe

    the women or bride of Christ what are also the 144k are taken throughout all generation ,from the beginning until the end of this age ,and yes Christ and his bride are not united as a complete unit because I think that some still have to join that group ,

    1Th 4:15 According to the Lord’s own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.
    1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

    Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
    Rev 21:2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.

    well for your question –Did Christ marry his own BODY ??–

    to be honest there is no marriage in heaven ,Christ own words Angels do not get married ,but Christ and the bride or the 144k
    are helper to him in a function,but they ARE WITH HIM  comparing with all others will be on earth,

    the marriage ,is the call of a feast ,so big and so joyful for all that are invited ,a feast for the glory of God and his son ,  

    1Co 12:12 The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ.
    1Co 12:13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.
    1Co 12:14 Now the body is not made up of one part but of many.
    1Co 12:15 If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body.
    1Co 12:16 And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body.
    1Co 12:17 If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be?
    1Co 12:18 But in fact God has arranged the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be.
    1Co 12:19 If they were all one part, where would the body be?
    1Co 12:20 As it is, there are many parts, but one body.
    1Co 12:21 The eye cannot say to the hand, “I don’t need you!” And the head cannot say to the feet, “I don’t need you!”
    1Co 12:22 On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable,
    1Co 12:23 and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty,
    1Co 12:24 while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has combined the members of the body and has given greater honor to the parts that lacked it,
    1Co 12:25 so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other.
    1Co 12:26 If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.
    1Co 12:27 Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it.
    1Co 12:28 And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues.
    1Co 12:29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles?
    1Co 12:30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues ? Do all interpret?
    1Co 12:31 But eagerly desire the greater gifts.

    the above scriptures Paul shows how we are all interlink with Christ BODY , because the body of Christ is the gift with the blood that give us the way to God his father and our father ,and if we say that we belong to Christ it would be obvious that we all of the true Christians be link together in Christ body (redemption of our sins)and so also have his spirit of submission to God as far as our actions would be and also our heart and spirit,this would declare our unity with both God and the son ,Paul uses a human body in his description ,like all the different parts are yet united and work together to fulfill the work asked,this is how it should be and it will be in the new earth under the new heaven,


    Hi T.

    Did HE marry his sister or his mother?  Or BOTH.

    his half sister  :)[/quote]

    to be honest there is no marriage in heaven ,Christ own words Angels do not get married ,but Christ and the bride or the 144k

    What do YOU really BELIEVE ??

    Peace brother..

    #336329
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (abe @ Feb. 20 2013,07:33)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 15 2013,17:04)
    Col.1:18    He is also   head    of the  body,  the    church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything
     
    1Cor.12:27    Now    YOU    ARE   Christ's   BODY,   and individually members     OF     it.

    Did Christ marry his own BODY ??

    Peace brothers.


    abe

    Quote
    Did Christ marry his own BODY ??

    are husband and wife not ONE BODY ???[/quote]
    Hi T.

    AMEN brother.

    Then Gods woman;heavenly Jerusalem will come down and the both will become one.Mother and daughter;one.
    God will take over,and He will be all in all.

    Amen.[/quote]
    Hi W.U.

    Heavenly jerusalem was always there with God,

    Is she part of creation?

    Peace brother.[/quote]
    Abe.

    Since God was;There she was. His principles are there with him.

    Hi WU,

    she came down and taught the 12 tribes,but she was

    Christ teachings is symolically his wife,and his sister.
    Only because through her, many children are born.

    He is not really getting married,its all symbolical.

    wakeup.[/quote]
    Hi Wakeup,

    He is not really getting married,its all symbolical.

    Then Gods woman;heavenly Jerusalem will come down and the both will become one.Mother and daughter;one.
    God will take over,and He will be all in all.

    What do YOU really  BELIEVE ??

    Peace brother.


    Abe.

    Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
    THIS IS THE NEW HEAVEN AND EARTH.THE 2ND DOMINION.AFTER THE 2ND JUDGEMENT HAS BEEN PERFORMED AND SATAN IS JUDGEDAND ALL THE GOATS
    ALSO.

    Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
    THIS JERUSALEM IS THE ONE THAT HAS BEEN MADE HOLY UNDER CHRIST,AFTER THE SECOND JUDGEMENT,WHEN ALL HAS BEEN MADE HOLY.
    AND THE GOATS AND SATAN IS NO MORE.
    THEY ARE IN HEAVEN WHILE THE EARTH WAS BEING MELTED.

    Revelation 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
    THEY WILL BE IN THE NEW EARTH, AND GOD HIMSELF WILL COME DOWN,AND BE WITH THEM,AFTER THE 1000YR RULE HAS EXPIRED,AND THE NEW EARTH.

    THE ANGEL JUST SHOWING JOHN THE BRIDE OF CHRIST.
    Revelation 21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
    WHAT HE HAS ACCOMPLISHED DURING HIS 1000YRS
    RULE.

    Revelation 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
    THE GREAT HIGH MOUNTAIN IS THE KINGDOM OF CHRIST,PURE AND HOLY.THIS WILL BE AFTER SATAN AND THE GOATS,ARE NO MORE,AND AFTER THE 2ND JUDGEMENT.THE 2ND DOMINION.

    Revelation 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
    THE FOUNDATION OF THE CITY ARE THE 12 APOSTLES.
    THEY ARE OUR ELDERS.

    Revelation 21:16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
    THIS IS THE 1000YR KINGDOM;HIS FIRST DOMINION.
    2240X2240X2240KM.FROM JERUSALEM TO THE CITY OF UR IN IRAK IS 1120KM APPROX. WHERE ABRAHAM HAS SET HIS FOOT PRINT,THERE THE KINGDOM WILL EXTEND
    TO.

    Revelation 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
    NOTICE;THE KINGS OF THE EARTH. THESE KINGS ARE THEM THAT DWELL OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARIES.
    AS ISRAEL MULTIPLIES;SO WILL THE GENTILES OUTSIDE.

    Revelation 21:26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
    THEY SHAL BRING THE GLORY AND HONOUR IN TO THE KINGDOM,BECAUSE THEY;THE GENTILES LIVED OUTSIDE. THIS IS STILL DURING THE 100YR REIGN.

    Revelation 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
    NOTICE; NO EVIL CAN COME IN THIS 1000YR KINGDOM.
    SO EVIL STILL EXISTS,AT THIS POINT,AND THE 2ND JUDGEMENT HAS NOT YET COMMENCED. SATAN IS STILL IN PRISON.

    REV.22:4.AND THEY SHALL SEE HIS FACE AND HIS NAME SHALLL BE IN THEIR FOREHEADS.
    GOD WILL ONLY COME DOWN TO THE EARTH AFTER THE EARTH HAS GONE THROUGH THE PURIFYING.
    GOD WILL TAKE OVER POWER,AND HIS SON NEXT TO HIM.

    1. DONT FORGET ; IT ALL STARTED WITH GODS TEACHINGS,
    AND SHE WILL END UP BACK WITH GOD.

    2.GOD STARTED IT.

    3.HIS SON CARRIED IT ON TO THE FINISH.

    4. HE HAND IT BACK TO GOD IN PERFECT CONDITION.

    5 IN THE THRONE WE SEE GOD AND HIS SON.REV.22:1.

    wakeup.

    #336367
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (abe @ Feb. 20 2013,02:40)

    Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 18 2013,19:18)

    Quote (abe @ Feb. 19 2013,08:33)

    Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 18 2013,15:33)
    Col.1:18    He is also   head    of the  body,  the    church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything
     
    1Cor.12:27    Now    YOU    ARE   Christ's   BODY,   and individually members     OF     it.

    Did Christ marry his own BODY ??

    Peace brothers.


    abe

    Did HE marry his sister or his mother?  Or BOTH.

    Past  Present  Future??


    abe

    his half sister  :)


    Hi T.

    Past?     Present ?    Future   ?

    Peace brother.[/quote]
    if it is according to the composition ,yes all three ;Past?     Present ?    Future   ?[/quote]
    Hi T,

    Then you believe Jesus is married. I thought you said the Bride  WAS  the 144,000? And that has NOT taken place  YET?  I believe that part has happened.

    Rev.1:4    John, to the seven churches which are in Asia:       Grace to you and peace from Him who   IS   and who   WAS   and who   IS TO COME,  and from the seven spirits who are before his throne.

    Peace brother..[/quote]
    Abe

    the women or bride of Christ what are also the 144k are taken throughout all generation ,from the beginning until the end of this age ,and yes Christ and his bride are not united as a complete unit because I think that some still have to join that group ,

    1Th 4:15 According to the Lord’s own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.
    1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

    Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
    Rev 21:2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.

    well for your question –Did Christ marry his own BODY ??–

    to be honest there is no marriage in heaven ,Christ own words Angels do not get married ,but Christ and the bride or the 144k
    are helper to him in a function,but they ARE WITH HIM  comparing with all others will be on earth,

    the marriage ,is the call of a feast ,so big and so joyful for all that are invited ,a feast for the glory of God and his son ,  

    1Co 12:12 The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ.
    1Co 12:13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.
    1Co 12:14 Now the body is not made up of one part but of many.
    1Co 12:15 If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body.
    1Co 12:16 And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body.
    1Co 12:17 If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be?
    1Co 12:18 But in fact God has arranged the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be.
    1Co 12:19 If they were all one part, where would the body be?
    1Co 12:20 As it is, there are many parts, but one body.
    1Co 12:21 The eye cannot say to the hand, “I don’t need you!” And the head cannot say to the feet, “I don’t need you!”
    1Co 12:22 On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable,
    1Co 12:23 and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty,
    1Co 12:24 while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has combined the members of the body and has given greater honor to the parts that lacked it,
    1Co 12:25 so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other.
    1Co 12:26 If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.
    1Co 12:27 Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it.
    1Co 12:28 And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues.
    1Co 12:29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles?
    1Co 12:30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues ? Do all interpret?
    1Co 12:31 But eagerly desire the greater gifts.

    the above scriptures Paul shows how we are all interlink with Christ BODY , because the body of Christ is the gift with the blood that give us the way to God his father and our father ,and if we say that we belong to Christ it would be obvious that we all of the true Christians be link together in Christ body (redemption of our sins)and so also have his spirit of submission to God as far as our actions would be and also our heart and spirit,this would declare our unity with both God and the son ,Paul uses a human body in his description ,like all the different parts are yet united and work together to fulfill the work asked,this is how it should be and it will be in the new earth under the new heaven,[/quote]
    Hi T.

    Did HE marry his sister or his mother?  Or BOTH.

    his half sister  :)[/quote]

    to be honest there is no marriage in heaven ,Christ own words Angels do not get married ,but Christ and the bride or the 144k

    What do YOU really  BELIEVE ??

    Peace brother..


    abe

    Quote
    Hi T.

    Did HE marry his sister or his mother? Or BOTH.

    1)sister ???

    2)mother ???

    3) both ???

    could you answer those questions ???

    then I will answer you on this ;

    What do YOU really  BELIEVE ??

    #336396
    abe
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 19 2013,15:13)

    Quote (abe @ Feb. 20 2013,07:33)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 15 2013,17:04)
    Col.1:18    He is also   head    of the  body,  the    church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything
     
    1Cor.12:27    Now    YOU    ARE   Christ's   BODY,   and individually members     OF     it.

    Did Christ marry his own BODY ??

    Peace brothers.


    abe

    Quote
    Did Christ marry his own BODY ??

    are husband and wife not ONE BODY ???


    Hi T.

    AMEN brother.

    Then Gods woman;heavenly Jerusalem will come down and the both will become one.Mother and daughter;one.
    God will take over,and He will be all in all.

    Amen.[/quote]
    Hi W.U.

    Heavenly jerusalem was always there with God,

    Is she part of creation?

    Peace brother.[/quote]
    Abe.

    Since God was;There she was. His principles are there with him.

    Hi WU,

    she came down and taught the 12 tribes,but she was

    Christ teachings is symolically his wife,and his sister.
    Only because through her, many children are born.

    He is not really getting married,its all symbolical.

    wakeup.[/quote]
    Hi Wakeup,

    He is not really getting married,its all symbolical.

    Then Gods woman;heavenly Jerusalem will come down and the both will become one.Mother and daughter;one.
    God will take over,and He will be all in all.

    What do YOU really  BELIEVE ??

    Peace brother.[/quote]
    Abe.

    Revelation 21:1   And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
    THIS IS THE NEW HEAVEN AND EARTH.THE 2ND DOMINION.AFTER THE 2ND JUDGEMENT HAS BEEN PERFORMED AND SATAN IS JUDGEDAND ALL THE GOATS
    ALSO.

     Revelation 21:2   And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
    THIS JERUSALEM IS THE ONE THAT HAS BEEN MADE HOLY UNDER CHRIST,AFTER THE SECOND JUDGEMENT,WHEN ALL HAS BEEN MADE HOLY.
    AND THE GOATS AND SATAN IS NO MORE.
    THEY ARE IN HEAVEN WHILE THE EARTH WAS BEING MELTED.

     Revelation 21:3   And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
    THEY WILL BE IN THE NEW EARTH, AND GOD HIMSELF WILL COME DOWN,AND BE WITH THEM,AFTER THE 1000YR RULE HAS EXPIRED,AND THE NEW EARTH.

    THE ANGEL JUST SHOWING JOHN THE BRIDE OF CHRIST.
    Revelation 21:9   And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
    WHAT HE HAS ACCOMPLISHED DURING HIS 1000YRS
    RULE.

     Revelation 21:10   And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
    THE GREAT HIGH MOUNTAIN IS THE KINGDOM OF CHRIST,PURE AND HOLY.THIS WILL BE AFTER SATAN AND THE GOATS,ARE NO MORE,AND AFTER THE 2ND JUDGEMENT.THE 2ND DOMINION.

    Revelation 21:14   And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
    THE FOUNDATION OF THE CITY ARE THE 12 APOSTLES.
    THEY ARE OUR ELDERS.

    Revelation 21:16   And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
    THIS IS THE 1000YR KINGDOM;HIS FIRST DOMINION.
    2240X2240X2240KM.FROM JERUSALEM TO THE CITY OF UR IN IRAK IS 1120KM APPROX. WHERE ABRAHAM HAS SET HIS FOOT PRINT,THERE THE KINGDOM WILL EXTEND
    TO.

    Revelation 21:24   And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
    NOTICE;THE KINGS OF THE EARTH. THESE KINGS ARE THEM THAT DWELL OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARIES.
    AS ISRAEL MULTIPLIES;SO WILL THE GENTILES OUTSIDE.

    Revelation 21:26   And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
    THEY SHAL BRING THE GLORY AND HONOUR IN TO THE KINGDOM,BECAUSE THEY;THE GENTILES LIVED OUTSIDE. THIS IS STILL DURING THE 100YR REIGN.

     Revelation 21:27   And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
    NOTICE; NO EVIL CAN COME IN THIS 1000YR KINGDOM.
    SO EVIL STILL EXISTS,AT THIS POINT,AND THE 2ND JUDGEMENT HAS NOT YET COMMENCED. SATAN IS STILL IN PRISON.

    REV.22:4.AND THEY SHALL SEE HIS FACE AND HIS NAME SHALLL BE IN THEIR FOREHEADS.
    GOD WILL ONLY COME DOWN TO THE EARTH AFTER THE EARTH HAS GONE THROUGH THE PURIFYING.
    GOD WILL TAKE OVER POWER,AND HIS SON NEXT TO HIM.

    1. DONT FORGET ; IT ALL STARTED WITH GODS TEACHINGS,
    AND SHE WILL END UP BACK WITH GOD.

    2.GOD STARTED IT.

    3.HIS SON CARRIED IT ON TO THE FINISH.

    4. HE HAND IT BACK TO GOD IN PERFECT CONDITION.

    5 IN THE THRONE WE SEE GOD AND HIS SON.REV.22:1.

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    He is not really getting married,its all symbolical.

     Revelation 21:3   And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men,

    IN THE THRONE WE SEE GOD AND HIS SON.REV.22:1.

    What is the Throne?

    Peace brother..

    #336397
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Abe.

    Revelation 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the *THRONE*.

    Revelation 4:3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the *THRONE*, in sight like unto an emerald.

    Revelation 4:4 And round about the *THRONE* were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

    wakeup.

    #336400
    abe
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 20 2013,04:06)

    Quote (abe @ Feb. 20 2013,02:40)

    Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 18 2013,19:18)

    Quote (abe @ Feb. 19 2013,08:33)

    Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 18 2013,15:33)
    Col.1:18    He is also   head    of the  body,  the    church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything
     
    1Cor.12:27    Now    YOU    ARE   Christ's   BODY,   and individually members     OF     it.

    Did Christ marry his own BODY ??

    Peace brothers.


    abe

    Did HE marry his sister or his mother?  Or BOTH.

    Past  Present  Future??


    abe

    his half sister  :)


    Hi T.

    Past?     Present ?    Future   ?

    Peace brother.


    if it is according to the composition ,yes all three ;Past?     Present ?    Future   ?[/quote]
    Hi T,

    Then you believe Jesus is married. I thought you said the Bride  WAS  the 144,000? And that has NOT taken place  YET?  I believe that part has happened.

    Rev.1:4    John, to the seven churches which are in Asia:       Grace to you and peace from Him who   IS   and who   WAS   and who   IS TO COME,  and from the seven spirits who are before his throne.

    Peace brother..[/quote]
    Abe

    the women or bride of Christ what are also the 144k are taken throughout all generation ,from the beginning until the end of this age ,and yes Christ and his bride are not united as a complete unit because I think that some still have to join that group ,

    1Th 4:15 According to the Lord’s own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.
    1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

    Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
    Rev 21:2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.

    well for your question –Did Christ marry his own BODY ??–

    to be honest there is no marriage in heaven ,Christ own words Angels do not get married ,but Christ and the bride or the 144k
    are helper to him in a function,but they ARE WITH HIM  comparing with all others will be on earth,

    the marriage ,is the call of a feast ,so big and so joyful for all that are invited ,a feast for the glory of God and his son ,  

    1Co 12:12 The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ.
    1Co 12:13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.
    1Co 12:14 Now the body is not made up of one part but of many.
    1Co 12:15 If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body.
    1Co 12:16 And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body.
    1Co 12:17 If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be?
    1Co 12:18 But in fact God has arranged the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be.
    1Co 12:19 If they were all one part, where would the body be?
    1Co 12:20 As it is, there are many parts, but one body.
    1Co 12:21 The eye cannot say to the hand, “I don’t need you!” And the head cannot say to the feet, “I don’t need you!”
    1Co 12:22 On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable,
    1Co 12:23 and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty,
    1Co 12:24 while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has combined the members of the body and has given greater honor to the parts that lacked it,
    1Co 12:25 so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other.
    1Co 12:26 If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.
    1Co 12:27 Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it.
    1Co 12:28 And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues.
    1Co 12:29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles?
    1Co 12:30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues ? Do all interpret?
    1Co 12:31 But eagerly desire the greater gifts.

    the above scriptures Paul shows how we are all interlink with Christ BODY , because the body of Christ is the gift with the blood that give us the way to God his father and our father ,and if we say that we belong to Christ it would be obvious that we all of the true Christians be link together in Christ body (redemption of our sins)and so also have his spirit of submission to God as far as our actions would be and also our heart and spirit,this would declare our unity with both God and the son ,Paul uses a human body in his description ,like all the different parts are yet united and work together to fulfill the work asked,this is how it should be and it will be in the new earth under the new heaven,[/quote]
    Hi T.

    Did HE marry his sister or his mother?  Or BOTH.

    his half sister  :)[/quote]

    to be honest there is no marriage in heaven ,Christ own words Angels do not get married ,but Christ and the bride or the 144k

    What do YOU really  BELIEVE ??

    Peace brother..[/quote]
    abe

    Quote
    Hi T.

    Did HE marry his sister or his mother?  Or BOTH.

    1)sister ???

    2)mother ???

    3) both ???

    could you answer those questions ???

    then I will answer you on this ;

    What do YOU really  BELIEVE ??


    Hi T,

    Gen.17:5 Neither shall your name any more be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made you.
    6And I will make you exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of you, and kings shall come out of you.
    7And I will establish my covenant between me and you and your SEED after you in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God to you, and to YOUR SEED after you.
    8And I will give to you, and to your SEED after you, the land wherein you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be THEIR God.

    Gal.3:16 Now to Abraham and his SEED were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of ONE, And to thy SEED, which is Christ.

    I have to go, more later.

    Peace brother..

    #336401
    abe
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 20 2013,12:56)
    Abe.

    Revelation 4:2   And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the *THRONE*.

     Revelation 4:3   And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the *THRONE*, in sight like unto an emerald.

     Revelation 4:4   And round about the *THRONE* were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup

    Heaven is my THRONE and the EARTH is my footstool.

    Peace brother.

    #336405
    terraricca
    Participant

    abe

    Quote

    My questions ;;
    1)sister

    2)mother

    3) both

    could you answer those questions

    then I will answer you on this ;

    What do YOU really BELIEVE ???

    your answers;

    Hi T,

    Gen.17:5 Neither shall your name any more be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made you.
    6And I will make you exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of you, and kings shall come out of you.
    7And I will establish my covenant between me and you and your SEED after you in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God to you, and to YOUR SEED after you.
    8And I will give to you, and to your SEED after you, the land wherein you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be THEIR God.

    Gal.3:16 Now to Abraham and his SEED were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of ONE, And to thy SEED, which is Christ.

    I have to go, more later.

    Peace brother..

    you have changed from bride,marriage, TO THE SEED “”” WHY ???

    #336421
    abe
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 20 2013,13:58)
    abe

    Quote

    My questions ;;
    1)sister

    2)mother

    3) both

    could you answer those questions

    then I will answer you on this ;

    What do YOU really  BELIEVE ???

    your answers;

    Hi T,

    Gen.17:5   Neither shall your name any more be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made you.
    6And I will make you exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of you, and kings shall come out of you.
    7And I will establish my covenant between me and you and your SEED after you in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God to you, and to YOUR SEED after you.
    8And I will give to you, and to your SEED after you, the land wherein you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be THEIR God.

    Gal.3:16   Now to Abraham and his SEED were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of ONE, And to thy SEED, which is Christ.

    I have to go, more later.

    Peace brother..

    you have changed from bride,marriage, TO THE SEED “”” WHY ???


    Hi T,

    I didn't have time.

    Its the PROMISE to the SEED.

    Its the SPIRIT to the CHRIST.

    Acts2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would RAISE UP Christ to sit on his throne; 31He seeing this BEFORE spake of the RESURRECTION of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32This Jesus, hath God, raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having RECEIVED of the Father the PROMISE of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which you see and hear.

    ;36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath MADE that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both LORD and CHRIST.

    Phil2:8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
    :9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the NAME that is ABOVE every name.

    Gal.3:14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the PROMISE of the SPIRIT.

    I think the Spirit of Christ ( New Jerusalem) is the guarantee of our future inheritance. Holy Jerusalem. (Spirit of God).

    And do you think this New Jerusalem is the woman?

    Hi Mike,

    Rev.12:5 And she bore a male child.

    The child. New Jerusalem.

    Rev12:5 And the child was caught up to God and to his Throne.

    Gal.4:26 But the Jerusalem above is free, which is the Mother of us all. (Christians)

    I think the Spirit of Christ ( New Jerusalem) is the guarantee of our future inheritance. Holy Jerusalem. (Spirit of God).

    Holy Jerusalem IS THE THRONE of God.

    Peace brother..

    #336424
    abe
    Participant

    Quote (abe @ Feb. 20 2013,13:15)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 20 2013,12:56)
    Abe.

    Revelation 4:2   And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the *THRONE*.

     Revelation 4:3   And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the *THRONE*, in sight like unto an emerald.

     Revelation 4:4   And round about the *THRONE* were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup

    Heaven is my THRONE and the EARTH is my footstool.

    Peace brother.


    Hi Wakeup,

    Matt.24:29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30“And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory. 31“And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

    Parable of the Fig Tree

    32“Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near; 33so, you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the door. 34“Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.

    35“Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away

    This Generation will not pass away UNTIL ALL these things take PLACE.

    Peace brother…

    #336446
    terraricca
    Participant

    Abe

    I have open a new topic called ” The seed of Abraham ” in this same section ” I also copied your answer to me ,and so let discuss it there ,ok ???

    #336469
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (abe @ Feb. 21 2013,17:40)

    Quote (abe @ Feb. 20 2013,13:15)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 20 2013,12:56)
    Abe.

    Revelation 4:2   And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the *THRONE*.

     Revelation 4:3   And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the *THRONE*, in sight like unto an emerald.

     Revelation 4:4   And round about the *THRONE* were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup

    Heaven is my THRONE and the EARTH is my footstool.

    Peace brother.


    Hi Wakeup,

        Matt.24:29    “But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30“And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory. 31“And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

    Parable of the Fig Tree

         32“Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near; 33so, you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the door. 34“Truly I say to you,      this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.

    35“Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away

    This Generation will not pass away   UNTIL   ALL   these things take PLACE.

    Peace brother…


    Thank you Abe.

    We seem to have gone off track here regarding the woman.

    1.Gods woman; in short; his doctrine,taught by God through Moses.(Zion).NOT DAUGHTER OF ZION.

    2. Jesus woman; in short; is also Gods doctrine; but taught by Jesus.
    When Jesus has accomplished his work,she will be seen as his bride.(the DAUGHTER of Zion).(singular).

    3.His accomplishment=his bride,his treasure.

    The churches today are called DAUGHTERS.(plural).
    3000 plus daughters; which is confusion.

    wakeup.

    #336519
    abe
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 21 2013,11:51)
    Abe

    I have open a new topic called ” The seed of Abraham ” in this same section ” I also copied your answer to me ,and so let discuss it there ,ok ???


    Hi T,

    Thats a good idea.

    Peace brother.

    #379319
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,
    Some here teach that we are saved by being clothed with knowledge
    It is a deception

    #379320
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 14 2013,11:46)
    Just think about it;

    Is the church  BEFORE Jesus birth? NO.
    Was Jesus born out of HIS church ON EARTH? NO.
    I say the church on earth is Jesus TEACHINGS.(not any church).

    THe church is Gods religion.His doctrine.The city where all righteousness dwell.
    Jesus was born out of Gods church,which is Gods woman.
    He was send to earth to build his own church,which is also Gods.For all belongs to God.

    When he has finished building his church on earth,
    He will hand it to God,and God will take over his church.
    And then God will be all in all.

    The 1000yr reign will be Jesus rebuilding his church,that has been ruined in the hands of men.

    The answer to the woman with the 12 stars is,
    Gods woman.(and there appeared a great wonder *IN HEAVEN*).Not on earth.

    Jesus was born out of this woman.The city of God where all righteousness dwell.We the true followers,are the population(children) of that city.
    I told you,its not that simple.  

    wakeup.


    Hi WU,
    God's woman???

    Israel is what God's son was born from.

    The church of God is pictured in
    1 peter 2.4-8
    eph 2.20-22
    rev 21. 10f

    #379341
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 25 2014,10:22)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 14 2013,11:46)
    Just think about it;

    Is the church  BEFORE Jesus birth? NO.
    Was Jesus born out of HIS church ON EARTH? NO.
    I say the church on earth is Jesus TEACHINGS.(not any church).

    THe church is Gods religion.His doctrine.The city where all righteousness dwell.
    Jesus was born out of Gods church,which is Gods woman.
    He was send to earth to build his own church,which is also Gods.For all belongs to God.

    When he has finished building his church on earth,
    He will hand it to God,and God will take over his church.
    And then God will be all in all.

    The 1000yr reign will be Jesus rebuilding his church,that has been ruined in the hands of men.

    The answer to the woman with the 12 stars is,
    Gods woman.(and there appeared a great wonder *IN HEAVEN*).Not on earth.

    Jesus was born out of this woman.The city of God where all righteousness dwell.We the true followers,are the population(children) of that city.
    I told you,its not that simple.  

    wakeup.


    Hi WU,
    God's woman???

    Israel is what God's son was born from.

    The church of God is pictured in
    1 peter 2.4-8
    eph 2.20-22
    rev 21. 10f


    Nick.

    The man Jesus(Flesh) is the Son of david.

    The Woman is God's woman(doctrine).Called Zion.
    Jesus came to earth out of God's Woman.(doctrine).Mother Zion. The church of israel,that was corrupted.

    Jesus teaching is his doctrine which is of God.The Word of God
    And His church is called the daughter of Zion.(His woman).
    His bride to be.
    We are her seed; and are still growing in Her womb.
    Soon She will have labour pains and her children will all be born at once.

    wakeup.

    #379377
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi WU,
    I do not think many would accept this as truth but only your opinion.

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