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Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 30 2008,06:26) Amen not3,
Before he partook of our fleshly estate.
I don't agree.He emptied himself of these privileges after he shared in our humanity. Otherwise, how could he be like us? He certainly didn't come to help the angels but Abe's decendants.
Philip. 2
…..being found as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient……It was *after* he realized he was a man that he humbled himself. He didn't already have the knowledge of his humanity and then decide to relinquish his privileges.
I also wanted to add that Jesus was exhaulted to the “highest place” because he obeyed.
If he already existed, did he exist on a lower plane that that of the one he was awarded for good behavior? If not, what would be the bonus is being exhaulted?
all power and authority in the heavens and earth…is given by god..me saying he has divine attributes is not me saying that he is the SOURCE of those attributes..i'm simply acknowledging that he had those attributes
His obediance…in this regard was also necessary for him to be a good king and judge…how can you judge someone based on their actions as a human if you have no idea what it is like to be a human…It indeed was a lesson in humility and obediance…note also at Revelation 7 and 14…the 144,000 that were taken to be kings, priests, and judges, were also taken from the earth…everybody mentioned in the bible who is said to take part in the judging of the earth…knows intimately what it is like to be a human existing in a lower form
Hi DK,
He went further and ascribed those attributes to God.
We too can partake of the Spirit and the powers and fruits thereof.[Gal5, 1Cor12]Quote (Not3in1 @ May 30 2008,06:42) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 30 2008,06:26) Amen not3,
Before he partook of our fleshly estate.
I don't agree.He emptied himself of these privileges after he shared in our humanity. Otherwise, how could he be like us? He certainly didn't come to help the angels but Abe's decendants.
Philip. 2
…..being found as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient……It was *after* he realized he was a man that he humbled himself. He didn't already have the knowledge of his humanity and then decide to relinquish his privileges.
Hi not3,
Was the infant in the manger a greater form of man?
Is emptying himself the same as humbling himself?
Phil 2 suggests they are separate things.Hi DK,
Did Jesus not truly empty himself but brought his own powers and knowledge with him?
Acts 10.28 seems to disagree.hey nick..
No..jesus did not bring anything with him..because during the time Mary was concieved up until his baptism…he was not fully aware of his pre-existence…nor did he possess the divine attributes that his father later blessed him with by means of the holy spirit…So for approx 30 years Jesus was completely emptied..but upon his baptism, “the heavens opened up” and “gods holy spirit fell upon him”
By I don't understand how you are using Acts 10:28
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 30 2008,07:14) Quote (Not3in1 @ May 30 2008,06:42) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 30 2008,06:26) Amen not3,
Before he partook of our fleshly estate.
I don't agree.He emptied himself of these privileges after he shared in our humanity. Otherwise, how could he be like us? He certainly didn't come to help the angels but Abe's decendants.
Philip. 2
…..being found as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient……It was *after* he realized he was a man that he humbled himself. He didn't already have the knowledge of his humanity and then decide to relinquish his privileges.
Hi not3,
Was the infant in the manger a greater form of man?
Is emptying himself the same as humbling himself?
Phil 2 suggests they are separate things.
Hi Nick,You and I have been here before.
God sent a host of angels to announce Jesus' birth! Now that is some announcement, don't you think? Did he do such a thing for such great sons as Abe or Moses? Why not? Because they were not born a King. How could Jesus be born a King?
It's like I've said before, it's all about Who's Your Daddy!
Regardless of what Jesus “emptied” himself of, the fact of the matter is – there was something for him to deny in order to be one of us! What do you think that was? His knowledge of his past life? I hardly believe this and the reason I don't is that there are no clear teachings on a prior life he had with God.
Hey 3in1…
Think about this…part of what Jesus had to deny was the power and glory that god had already given him..remember…Jesus was already in a revered place in heaven..before he came to earth… thats why its ok to say he “humbled himself and took the form of men'' likewise its ok he “emptied” himself…remember Jesus had the wonderful priveledge of being Gods master work, his only begotten son, the “word of God” and so on…so gave up, denied, humbled, emptied…a whole lot BEFORE he came to earth
Quote (dirtyknections @ May 30 2008,08:07) hey nick.. No..jesus did not bring anything with him..because during the time Mary was concieved up until his baptism…he was not fully aware of his pre-existence…nor did he possess the divine attributes that his father later blessed him with by means of the holy spirit…So for approx 30 years Jesus was completely emptied..but upon his baptism, “the heavens opened up” and “gods holy spirit fell upon him”
By I don't understand how you are using Acts 10:28
Hi DK,
He was an ordinary man transformed by the Spirit of God.
We can follow such a man.
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