Who is this Jesus?

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Hi Not3in1,

Jesus, as God, is free to do anything He wants. He could have consigned us all to eternal hell from the hour we were born. But He chose to die on the cross for His glory and His Father's glory. John 14:31-32, 17:4-5.

tim

April 12, 2007 at 4:42 am#48668

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Hi Tim2,
Did God die for the glory of God?
Did Christ not obey God?

April 12, 2007 at 4:42 am#48669

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Tim2, could Jesus have decided not to go to the cross? He wouldn't have, of course. But the question is – could he?

April 12, 2007 at 5:12 am#48674

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Jesus lay down His life on His own initiative. Of course He could have chosen not to. He's God. He can do whatever He wants.

April 12, 2007 at 5:30 am#48677

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Tim2, do you really believe that? If you do, tell me what would have happened if Jesus didn't go to the cross, but decided to get married, and settle down with a wife and kids?

April 12, 2007 at 5:34 am#48679

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Not3in1,

I think I see the misunderstanding here. I believe that Jesus decided in all eternity to go to the cross. In eternity, He could have instead just sent everyone to hell. However, once He became man, He had already bound Himself to go to the cross and placed Himself as a man under the authority of the Father and the Spirit.

Tim

April 12, 2007 at 5:38 am#48681

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So Jesus (the man) was pre-programed?

To me, that makes Jesus' life look a bit of a mockery of mankind. He looked like a man, and talked like a man…..but he was really a pre-existent part of God that came to earth with a pre-programed mission. Wow. I'll have to ponder this some more. I'm heading to bed now. I hope this doesn't give me nightmares!

April 12, 2007 at 5:42 am#48683

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Quote (Tim2 @ April 12 2007,17:34)

Not3in1,

Tim

Hi Tim2,
Jesus is not the God that sent him.
He is the messiah.

April 12, 2007 at 10:02 am#48712

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Jesus was a God. Our Father called him such.
But He was not the Father God, or any part of the Father God
any more than you and I are. He just had a much closer relationship
with His Father than any body else on earth at the time.
After all, He came to introduce us to His Father.
So that we too could know Him.

After his death and resurection God gave Jesus all power and authority
for an age, a period of time. At the conclusion of which time Jesus will turn it
all back over to the Father, so that He can be all in all.

It seems pretty clear to me.

Tim

April 12, 2007 at 7:51 pm#48748

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Timothy VI wrote:
But He was not the Father God, or any part of the Father God
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Tim, Jesus was not “any part of the Father God.” This is quite a statement. Are not sons a part of their Father's?

April 12, 2007 at 7:59 pm#48750

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Quote (Not3in1 @ April 13 2007,07:51)

Timothy VI wrote:
But He was not the Father God, or any part of the Father God
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Tim, Jesus was not “any part of the Father God.” This is quite a statement. Are not sons a part of their Father's?

Hi Not3in1,

you are absolutely correct.
I miss spoke because in my mind I was relating to the idea that Jesus was a one third part of God in the trinity. This I do not agree with. Thus I said that He was not a part of God.

Tim

April 12, 2007 at 8:05 pm#48752

Worshipping Jesus

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Quote (TimothyVI @ April 12 2007,22:02)

It seems pretty clear to me.

Tim

So the Father believed in polytheism?

April 12, 2007 at 8:10 pm#48754

Worshipping Jesus

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Quote (TimothyVI @ April 13 2007,07:59)

Quote (Not3in1 @ April 13 2007,07:51)

Timothy VI wrote:
But He was not the Father God, or any part of the Father God
***********************

Tim, Jesus was not “any part of the Father God.” This is quite a statement. Are not sons a part of their Father's?

Hi Not3in1,

Tim

So how can “A” god be part of the True God?

And if Jesus is “A” God then we have two Gods, a smaller god and a greater God.

April 12, 2007 at 9:16 pm#48765

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Hi w,
Then it is up to you to resolve this apparent dilemma in your understanding, with scripture, but deciding the Father and the Son are the same being is not a scriptural option.

April 12, 2007 at 10:13 pm#48776

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 13 2007,08:10)

So how can “A” god be part of the True God?

Hi WorshippingJesus,

Any old “a god” can't. For there were many gods.
But you seem to keep forgetting that Jesus was the only begotten son of the true God. So He has to have some part of God in Him.

Tim

April 12, 2007 at 10:54 pm#48780

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 13 2007,08:10)

And if Jesus is “A” God then we have two Gods, a smaller god and a greater God.

Hi worshiippingJesus,

well, if you want to throw out Mat 1:23, I suppose we do not have a smaller God do we?

Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Tim

April 12, 2007 at 10:58 pm#48781

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 13 2007,08:05)

So the Father believed in polytheism?

Hi worshipping,

I don't know. He is the one that gave all of the power to Jesus.

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Tim

April 13, 2007 at 12:41 am#48793

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Come on, the Bible does give us an answer. There is no God besides YHWH. Either Jesus is YHWH or he is no god at all.

April 13, 2007 at 12:57 am#48794

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Quote (Tim2 @ April 13 2007,12:41)

Come on, the Bible does give us an answer. There is no God besides YHWH. Either Jesus is YHWH or he is no god at all.

Hi Tim2,
Logic is unhelpful.
You must find your answers in scripture and not add to it.

April 13, 2007 at 2:00 am#48800