Who is the bride of Christ.

[Wakeup]

Terra.

You are so confused,we indeed must worship God in spirit.
But does not mean we are spirit already.

The renewing of the mind is not born from the dead.
We will only be spirit after we are born from the dead.

Jesus said ''you will be spirit'' but you Terra are still flesh.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 28 2012,11:06)

Terra. You are so confused,we indeed must worship God in spirit. But does not mean we are spirit already. The renewing of the mind is not born from the dead. We will only be spirit after we are born from the dead. Jesus said ''you will be spirit'' but you Terra are still flesh. wakeup.

show me the scripture wise man

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 28 2012,16:56)

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 28 2012,11:06) Terra. You are so confused,we indeed must worship God in spirit. But does not mean we are spirit already. The renewing of the mind is not born from the dead. We will only be spirit after we are born from the dead. Jesus said ''you will be spirit'' but you Terra are still flesh. wakeup.     show me the scripture wise man

Terra.

But you dont believe in the scriptures?

Maybe I should quote you some qur'an verses.
Then you will open your ears.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 28 2012,14:54)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 28 2012,16:56) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 28 2012,11:06) Terra. You are so confused,we indeed must worship God in spirit. But does not mean we are spirit already. The renewing of the mind is not born from the dead. We will only be spirit after we are born from the dead. Jesus said ''you will be spirit'' but you Terra are still flesh. wakeup.     show me the scripture wise man Terra. But you dont believe in the scriptures? Maybe I should quote you some qur'an verses. Then you will open your ears. wakeup.

you still think that your words are as good as the scriptures ,right

not in my book

[Wakeup]

Terra.

You should not judge me wrong,UNTILL YOU CAN PROOF WITH SCRIPTURES THAT I HAVE BEEN WRONG.

THIS IS CALLED RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT.

wakeup.

[Ed J]

Hi Wakeup,

Not all fulfilled prophecies are recorded in Scripture.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 30 2012,06:53)

Terra. You should not judge me wrong,UNTILL YOU CAN PROOF WITH SCRIPTURES THAT I HAVE BEEN WRONG. THIS IS CALLED RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT. wakeup.

I have showed you but even then you deny all thing by saying I do not see the truth or something in that rang,

do not expect me to face this type of argument in every topic ,

[Wakeup]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 30 2012,14:38)

Hi Wakeup, Not all fulfilled prophecies are recorded in Scripture. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EDJ.

If it is not in scripture than it is not prophesied.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 30 2012,06:53)

Terra. You should not judge me wrong,UNTILL YOU CAN PROOF WITH SCRIPTURES THAT I HAVE BEEN WRONG. THIS IS CALLED RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT. wakeup.

you have proved your self wrong many times over and over ,by your practice,and your own comments ,

you miss quote scriptures ,but you are convenced that your opinions are the truth of God so it is your choice ,but we do not have to follow you ,i like to follow Christ and his words

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 31 2012,02:09)

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 30 2012,06:53) Terra. You should not judge me wrong,UNTILL YOU CAN PROOF WITH SCRIPTURES THAT I HAVE BEEN WRONG. THIS IS CALLED RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT. wakeup. you have proved your self wrong many times over and over ,by your practice,and your own comments , you miss quote scriptures ,but you are convenced that your opinions are the truth of God so it is your choice ,but we do not have to follow you ,i like to follow Christ and his words

Terra.

I am not asking you to follow.
You follow you dont know what.
You foundation is shaky.

The truth does not matter anymore,its what you have treasured up is more important.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 30 2012,21:33)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 31 2012,02:09) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 30 2012,06:53) Terra. You should not judge me wrong,UNTILL YOU CAN PROOF WITH SCRIPTURES THAT I HAVE BEEN WRONG. THIS IS CALLED RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT. wakeup. you have proved your self wrong many times over and over ,by your practice,and your own comments , you miss quote scriptures ,but you are convenced that your opinions are the truth of God so it is your choice ,but we do not have to follow you ,i like to follow Christ and his words Terra. I am not asking you to follow. You follow you dont know what. You foundation is shaky. The truth does not matter anymore,its what you have treasured up is more important. wakeup.

wup

we all can see that you present your arguments on scriptures knowledge ,and wisdom ,but we can not see neither your wisdom or your scriptures ,

just your opinions understand that the middle age is gone ,we have our own scriptures copy now ,and many of us are looking for truth not for personal opinions

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 31 2012,02:47)

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 30 2012,21:33) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 31 2012,02:09) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 30 2012,06:53) Terra. You should not judge me wrong,UNTILL YOU CAN PROOF WITH SCRIPTURES THAT I HAVE BEEN WRONG. THIS IS CALLED RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT. wakeup. you have proved your self wrong many times over and over ,by your practice,and your own comments , you miss quote scriptures ,but you are convenced that your opinions are the truth of God so it is your choice ,but we do not have to follow you ,i like to follow Christ and his words Terra. I am not asking you to follow. You follow you dont know what. You foundation is shaky. The truth does not matter anymore,its what you have treasured up is more important. wakeup. wup we all can see that you present your arguments on scriptures knowledge ,and wisdom ,but we can not see neither your wisdom or your scriptures , just your opinions understand that the middle age is gone ,we have our own scriptures copy now ,and many of us are looking for truth not for personal opinions

Scriptures please.

wakeup

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 31 2012,01:23)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 31 2012,02:47) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 30 2012,21:33) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 31 2012,02:09) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 30 2012,06:53) Terra. You should not judge me wrong,UNTILL YOU CAN PROOF WITH SCRIPTURES THAT I HAVE BEEN WRONG. THIS IS CALLED RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT. wakeup. you have proved your self wrong many times over and over ,by your practice,and your own comments , you miss quote scriptures ,but you are convenced that your opinions are the truth of God so it is your choice ,but we do not have to follow you ,i like to follow Christ and his words Terra. I am not asking you to follow. You follow you dont know what. You foundation is shaky. The truth does not matter anymore,its what you have treasured up is more important. wakeup. wup we all can see that you present your arguments on scriptures knowledge ,and wisdom ,but we can not see neither your wisdom or your scriptures , just your opinions understand that the middle age is gone ,we have our own scriptures copy now ,and many of us are looking for truth not for personal opinions Scriptures please. wakeup

how can I give you what you could not provide,

show some and I will show you some

[Wakeup]

Terra.

Still fishing for answers.

wakeup.

[942767]

Hi Wakeup:

I am not sure what you are saying to Pierre relative to we as Christians are not spirit yet. Obviously, we do not have our spiritual bodies yet and we will not have them until Jesus comes for the church.

But if we have been born again, we are no longer in the “old flesh nature” that we became when we were in the world practicing sin.

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Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Rom 8:10 And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness. Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. Rom 8:12 ¶ Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[942767]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 26 2012,06:20)

Quote (942767 @ Dec. 25 2012,23:07) Hi Pierrre: You are adding the word “only” to the scripture which states: Quote And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth The scripture does not say that they are the “only ones” redeemed from the earth.  It states that they are the only ones redeemed from the earth who could learn the new song. Love in Christ, Marty Marty disregard “only” is then what scriptures says open to ALL and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

Hi Pierre:

It means that although only the 144,000 redeemed from the earth could learn the new song, they were not the only ones who were redeemed from the earth.

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Rev 7:9 ¶ After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; Rev 7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[Wakeup]

Marty.

I was referring to the physical.
Born again does not occur at babtism,but in the resurrection. From the flesh to the spirit body.
Born of the spirit.

The renewing of the mind is not being born again physically; but the mind,the concept of thinking.
A babtised person can always go back to his vomit.

wakeup.

[942767]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 31 2012,09:04)

Marty. I was referring to the physical. Born again does not occur at babtism,but in the resurrection. From the flesh to the spirit body. Born of the spirit. The renewing of the mind is not being born again physically; but the mind,the concept of thinking. A babtised person can always go back to his vomit. wakeup.

No, I disagree:

One is born again when receives the baptism of the Holy Spirit. To be born again is to be raised from a spiritual death or separation from God.

Here is the scripture, again:

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Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Rom 8:10 And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness. Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

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Act 2:37 Now when they heard [this], they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men [and] brethren, what shall we do? Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call.

As Christians we will receive a spiritual body when the Lord comes for the church, but if we died a physical death as Christians, we did not die spiritually separated from God.

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1Cr 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 1Cr 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 1Cr 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality. 1Cr 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 1Cr 15:55 O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory? 1Cr 15:56 The sting of death [is] sin; and the strength of sin [is] the law. 1Cr 15:57 But thanks [be] to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ

Love in Christ,
Marty

[terraricca]

Quote (942767 @ Dec. 31 2012,03:55)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 26 2012,06:20) Quote (942767 @ Dec. 25 2012,23:07) Hi Pierrre: You are adding the word “only” to the scripture which states: Quote And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth The scripture does not say that they are the “only ones” redeemed from the earth.  It states that they are the only ones redeemed from the earth who could learn the new song. Love in Christ, Marty Marty disregard “only” is then what scriptures says open to ALL and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. Hi Pierre: It means that although only the 144,000 redeemed from the earth could learn the new song, they were not the only ones who were redeemed from the earth. Quote Rev 7:9 ¶ After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;   Rev 7:10   And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.   Love in Christ, Marty

hi Marty

Rev 14:1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.

Rev 14:3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.

look were they stand and with whom they stand

now look were the great crowd stands ;

Rev 7:9 After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.

now who are this in this scriptures called SERVANTS

Rev 22:3 No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him.
Rev 22:4 They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads.

Rev 7:3 “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.”
Rev 7:4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.

do you see who they are they are the 144k

Rev 21:2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.

now the above scripture talks about whom again about the 144k the bride of Christ ,also called the new Jerusalem ,

Rev 22:2 down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations

who are those nations

Rev 22:14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.

Rev 21:22 I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.
Rev 21:23 The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp.
Rev 21:24 The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it.

now see what happen

Rev 21:27 Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

Rev 22:14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city

Rev 7:9 After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.
this his all who clean them selves up in Christ

REV 19:9 Then he *said to me, “ Write, ‘ Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.’ ” And he *said to me, “ These are true words of God.”

those who are the servants are not those who are invited to the marriage but both are clean in Christ

those who are invited are the great crowd from Revelation 7;9

[Wakeup]

Quote (942767 @ Dec. 31 2012,10:17)

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 31 2012,09:04) Marty. I was referring to the physical. Born again does not occur at babtism,but in the resurrection. From the flesh to the spirit body. Born of the spirit. The renewing of the mind is not being born again physically; but the mind,the concept of thinking. A babtised person can always go back to his vomit. wakeup. No, I disagree: One is born again when receives the baptism of the Holy Spirit.  To be born again is to be raised from a spiritual death or separation from God. Here is the scripture, again: Quote Rom 8:9   But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.   Rom 8:10   And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness.   Rom 8:11   But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. Quote Act 2:37   Now when they heard [this], they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men [and] brethren, what shall we do?   Act 2:38   Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.   Act 2:39   For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call.   As Christians we will receive a spiritual body when the Lord comes for the church, but if we died a physical death as Christians, we did not die spiritually separated from God. Quote 1Cr 15:51   Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,   1Cr 15:52   In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.   1Cr 15:53   For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality.   1Cr 15:54   So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.   1Cr 15:55   O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory?   1Cr 15:56   The sting of death [is] sin; and the strength of sin [is] the law.   1Cr 15:57   But thanks [be] to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ Love in Christ, Marty

Marty.

We can only be born again once.
1.born of water. our birth out of mothers belly.flesh.
2.born again. born out of Zion. spirit.

There is no third.

Babtism of the holy spirit is not the same as babtised with water. This only God decides who will receive the Holy spirit.

The apostles were babtised with water first, and babtised with the Holy spirit later;at pantecost.

wakeup.

Anyone can be babtised with water.

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