Which is the truth?

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  • #199012
    whitecloud
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    First, let me say I am not a Jehovah's witness (which happens to be the only christian based church without using the Trinity as their foundation), but I did study with them over twentyfive years ago for about 6 months. This is when I first questioned the Trinity. However I wasn't what you would call a practicing christian until about 5 years ago. This Trinity Doctrine has turned my world upside down. My family are non-denomanational and I have had only two or three conversations about questioning the Trinity but I eventually get criticized for my even thinking about questioning the Trinity. I've tried to study scripture that supports the Doctrine but I logicaly feel that it really doesn't. After reading “Heavens Net's” “Is the Trinity Doctyrine taught in the Bible?” I feel there are scriptures that truly support the doctine to be false. For the first time I am thinking, “Maybe God is choosing to reveal to me the real truth, and that's why I have such a problem with the doctrine. Me! Sinful ole me. How fantastic is that and how horrible it would be if I said no to the one and tru God?”

    I do have a question, just for research for the truth; What resources are used to say that the Council of Nicea was organized by Constantine and that he was the only one that had the power to make the decision of the trinity? :p

    #381768
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,
    There is no trinity taught in the bible
    Case closed.

    It is a humanly derived doctrine that originated in Catholicism

    Come out of her my people

    #381780
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,
    3.Acts 4:12
    And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.”

    The only relevant baptism is in the name of Jesus Christ-see acts

    Sadly the false church promotes other baptisms.

    #381963
    tigger2
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    Quote (whitecloud @ June 22 2010,10:43)
     

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    I do have a question, just for research for the truth;  What resources are  used to  say that the Council of Nicea was organized by Constantine and that he was the only one that had the power to make the decision of the trinity?                     :p

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    Called by and presided over by Constantine: – p. 338, The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church, second edition, 1990, Oxford University Press;   pp. 129, 130, The Early Church , Chadwick, Dorset Press, 1986; p. 19, 143 Christianity Through the Centuries , Cairns, Zondervan, 1977; p. 143, The History of Christianity , Lion Publ., 1990; p. 50, Christianity Through the Ages , Harper ChapelBook, 1965

    Emperor Constantine decided and enforced the conclusion of the Nicene Council:  p. 380, The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire , Gibbon, Dell;  p. 137, Christianity Through the Centuries , Cairns, 1977.

    “But [the Council of Nicaea's] formula of the Son's 'consubstantiality' [homoousios] with the Father was slow to gain general acceptance, despite [Emperor] Constantine's efforts to impose it.” – p. 72, The Oxford Illustrated History of Christianity , John McManners, Oxford University Press, 1992.

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    I do have a question, just for research for the truth;  What resources are  used to  say that the Council of Nicea was organized by Constantine and that he was the only one that had the power to make the decision of the trinity?                     :p

    ………

    Called by and presided over by Constantine: – p. 338, The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church, second edition, 1990, Oxford University Press;   pp. 129, 130, The Early Church , Chadwick, Dorset Press, 1986; p. 19, 143 Christianity Through the Centuries , Cairns, Zondervan, 1977; p. 143, The History of Christianity , Lion Publ., 1990; p. 50, Christianity Through the Ages , Harper ChapelBook, 1965

    Emperor Constantine decided and enforced the conclusion of the Nicene Council:  p. 380, The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire , Gibbon, Dell;  p. 137, Christianity Through the Centuries , Cairns, 1977.

    “But [the Council of Nicaea's] formula of the Son's 'consubstantiality' [homoousios] with the Father was slow to gain general acceptance, despite [Emperor] Constantine's efforts to impose it.” – p. 72, The Oxford Illustrated History of Christianity , John McManners, Oxford University Press, 1992.

    #381967
    tigger2
    Participant

    Sorry about the doubling in the above post.

    “Before the assembling of the council of Nice, Constantine had been persuaded that the Arian doctrine contained a blasphemy against the divinity of Christ, and that the [homoousian] was absolutely required, in order to maintain the dignity of Christ’s person. …. It was nothing but the influence of the emperor Constantine which induced the eastern bishops at the council of Nice to suffer the imposition of a doctrinal formula which they detested and from which, indeed, they sought immediately to relieve themselves.” – Neander’s History of Christianity , Vol. 3, p. 189, Bohn.

    #381977
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,
    Yes a Roman emperor introduces a heresy the false church still cannot shake off.

    As long as folk trust men more than what is written such will happen

    #382003
    Wakeup
    Participant

    JW's dont believe in the trinity, but they teach a more evil thing.
    And that is preaching another Jesus,and another gospel.
    But these people are so indoctrinated; that they are scared to talk, or to discus scriptures with non jw's.

    They go after the uninformed only.
    I know how they work;they never visit me the second time.
    even if they promised.

    I had long discussions with an elder; a friend, but he is as hard headed. Will not look at video's about the history of the church. But they are quick at criticizing the catholics.

    wakeup.

    #382049
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,
    To preach trinity is to preach idolatry.

    3.Acts 4:12
    And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.”

    #382111
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,
    We who are in Jesus Christ worship the Lord God of Israel in the Spirit.

    1.2 Corinthians 13:14
    The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.

    #382231
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 14 2014,10:29)
    Hi,
    We who are in Jesus Christ worship the Lord God of Israel in the Spirit.

    1.2 Corinthians 13:14
    The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.


    Nick.

    Why is it that your robe is dirty?
    Why is it that you still need washing,and disinfected?

    wakeup.

    #382248
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi WU,
    Wipe your glasses.
    And check you are correctly dressed first.

    #382260
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,
    There is no trinity god.
    Prayer to such a god goes into thin air

    #382309
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 15 2014,07:36)
    Hi,
    There is no trinity god.
    Prayer to such a god goes into thin air


    Nick.

    Good;now explain the one God,if you can.

    wakeup.

    #382314
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi WU,
    Do you not know the God of Israel?
    You should

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