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Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 06 2014,08:20) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 06 2014,08:37) Wakeup, I am not confusing spiritual and physical light because the earlier has always existed. I am speaking of physical light that is shed by a source. That could not be the sun or stars before the fourth Night and Day for Scripture to be true.
I agree that the Sun is earth's source of day which is why I don't believe the Night and Days of creation are the night and days of earth. Since that eliminated earth as the source of the night and day then it follows it must be somewhere else and the heaven of God is the only other option the story of creation gives us.
Is there physical light in the heaven of God?
Kerwin.The light in heaven is God himself.
Can you explain what that light is in the beginning?
Let there be light:that means; there was no light at first.wakeup.
Wakeup,Psalm 104:2
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)2 Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment:
who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:God has always been the source of spiritual light but there was a time God covered himself with light. Since it cannot be the spiritual light he covered himself with then it follows that it is physical light.
Let there be light mean that in some way light came to be though it was not yet separated from darkness. That mixture may mean that more of a dawn or dusk existed though I favor dawn considering it was the dawn of creation. That may have been true on earth as it was in heaven.
The separation of the light on earth is said by Scripture to have occurred on the fourth Night and Day. Another separation occurred on the first Night and Day and heaven is the only place left for that to have occurred.
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 07 2014,09:56) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 06 2014,08:20) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 06 2014,08:37) Wakeup, I am not confusing spiritual and physical light because the earlier has always existed. I am speaking of physical light that is shed by a source. That could not be the sun or stars before the fourth Night and Day for Scripture to be true.
I agree that the Sun is earth's source of day which is why I don't believe the Night and Days of creation are the night and days of earth. Since that eliminated earth as the source of the night and day then it follows it must be somewhere else and the heaven of God is the only other option the story of creation gives us.
Is there physical light in the heaven of God?
Kerwin.The light in heaven is God himself.
Can you explain what that light is in the beginning?
Let there be light:that means; there was no light at first.wakeup.
Wakeup,Psalm 104:2
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)2 Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment:
who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:God has always been the source of spiritual light but there was a time God covered himself with light. Since it cannot be the spiritual light he covered himself with then it follows that it is physical light.
Let there be light mean that in some way light came to be though it was not yet separated from darkness. That mixture may mean that more of a dawn or dusk existed though I favor dawn considering it was the dawn of creation. That may have been true on earth as it was in heaven.
The separation of the light on earth is said by Scripture to have occurred on the fourth Night and Day. Another separation occurred on the first Night and Day and heaven is the only place left for that to have occurred.
Kerwin.What was the purpose for that spiritual light in the beginning?
There was no life on earth as yet.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 07 2014,06:58) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 07 2014,09:56) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 06 2014,08:20) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 06 2014,08:37) Wakeup, I am not confusing spiritual and physical light because the earlier has always existed. I am speaking of physical light that is shed by a source. That could not be the sun or stars before the fourth Night and Day for Scripture to be true.
I agree that the Sun is earth's source of day which is why I don't believe the Night and Days of creation are the night and days of earth. Since that eliminated earth as the source of the night and day then it follows it must be somewhere else and the heaven of God is the only other option the story of creation gives us.
Is there physical light in the heaven of God?
Kerwin.The light in heaven is God himself.
Can you explain what that light is in the beginning?
Let there be light:that means; there was no light at first.wakeup.
Wakeup,Psalm 104:2
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)2 Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment:
who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:God has always been the source of spiritual light but there was a time God covered himself with light. Since it cannot be the spiritual light he covered himself with then it follows that it is physical light.
Let there be light mean that in some way light came to be though it was not yet separated from darkness. That mixture may mean that more of a dawn or dusk existed though I favor dawn considering it was the dawn of creation. That may have been true on earth as it was in heaven.
The separation of the light on earth is said by Scripture to have occurred on the fourth Night and Day. Another separation occurred on the first Night and Day and heaven is the only place left for that to have occurred.
Kerwin.What was the purpose for that spiritual light in the beginning?
There was no life on earth as yet.
wakeup.
Wakeup,God is the source of spiritual light because of who and what he is. Perhaps he created all he created to fulfill his purpose of righteousness. God has always been a being that cannot be tempted by, much less do, evil.
I am not sure why he wrapped himself in physical light. I could guess that it symbolizes his spiritual light for those he was about to create.
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 10 2014,06:05) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 07 2014,06:58) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 07 2014,09:56) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 06 2014,08:20) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 06 2014,08:37) Wakeup, I am not confusing spiritual and physical light because the earlier has always existed. I am speaking of physical light that is shed by a source. That could not be the sun or stars before the fourth Night and Day for Scripture to be true.
I agree that the Sun is earth's source of day which is why I don't believe the Night and Days of creation are the night and days of earth. Since that eliminated earth as the source of the night and day then it follows it must be somewhere else and the heaven of God is the only other option the story of creation gives us.
Is there physical light in the heaven of God?
Kerwin.The light in heaven is God himself.
Can you explain what that light is in the beginning?
Let there be light:that means; there was no light at first.wakeup.
Wakeup,Psalm 104:2
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)2 Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment:
who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:God has always been the source of spiritual light but there was a time God covered himself with light. Since it cannot be the spiritual light he covered himself with then it follows that it is physical light.
Let there be light mean that in some way light came to be though it was not yet separated from darkness. That mixture may mean that more of a dawn or dusk existed though I favor dawn considering it was the dawn of creation. That may have been true on earth as it was in heaven.
The separation of the light on earth is said by Scripture to have occurred on the fourth Night and Day. Another separation occurred on the first Night and Day and heaven is the only place left for that to have occurred.
Kerwin.What was the purpose for that spiritual light in the beginning?
There was no life on earth as yet.
wakeup.
Wakeup,God is the source of spiritual light because of who and what he is. Perhaps he created all he created to fulfill his purpose of righteousness. God has always been a being that cannot be tempted by, much less do, evil.
I am not sure why he wrapped himself in physical light. I could guess that it symbolizes his spiritual light for those he was about to create.
Kerwin.God is light,he has his kingdom in heaven before the world was.The Lord of Host;The lord of a host of angels.
You are making things up; and this is futile.
We need scriptures.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 10 2014,04:03) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 10 2014,06:05) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 07 2014,06:58) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 07 2014,09:56) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 06 2014,08:20) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 06 2014,08:37) Wakeup, I am not confusing spiritual and physical light because the earlier has always existed. I am speaking of physical light that is shed by a source. That could not be the sun or stars before the fourth Night and Day for Scripture to be true.
I agree that the Sun is earth's source of day which is why I don't believe the Night and Days of creation are the night and days of earth. Since that eliminated earth as the source of the night and day then it follows it must be somewhere else and the heaven of God is the only other option the story of creation gives us.
Is there physical light in the heaven of God?
Kerwin.The light in heaven is God himself.
Can you explain what that light is in the beginning?
Let there be light:that means; there was no light at first.wakeup.
Wakeup,Psalm 104:2
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)2 Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment:
who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:God has always been the source of spiritual light but there was a time God covered himself with light. Since it cannot be the spiritual light he covered himself with then it follows that it is physical light.
Let there be light mean that in some way light came to be though it was not yet separated from darkness. That mixture may mean that more of a dawn or dusk existed though I favor dawn considering it was the dawn of creation. That may have been true on earth as it was in heaven.
The separation of the light on earth is said by Scripture to have occurred on the fourth Night and Day. Another separation occurred on the first Night and Day and heaven is the only place left for that to have occurred.
Kerwin.What was the purpose for that spiritual light in the beginning?
There was no life on earth as yet.
wakeup.
Wakeup,God is the source of spiritual light because of who and what he is. Perhaps he created all he created to fulfill his purpose of righteousness. God has always been a being that cannot be tempted by, much less do, evil.
I am not sure why he wrapped himself in physical light. I could guess that it symbolizes his spiritual light for those he was about to create.
Kerwin.God is light,he has his kingdom in heaven before the world was.The Lord of Host;The lord of a host of angels.
You are making things up; and this is futile.
We need scriptures.wakeup.
Wakeup,Do you believe that God can be tempted by evil?
What do you believe spiritual light is?
Do you believe God has always existed?Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 10 2014,10:05) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 10 2014,04:03) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 10 2014,06:05) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 07 2014,06:58) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 07 2014,09:56) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 06 2014,08:20) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 06 2014,08:37) Wakeup, I am not confusing spiritual and physical light because the earlier has always existed. I am speaking of physical light that is shed by a source. That could not be the sun or stars before the fourth Night and Day for Scripture to be true.
I agree that the Sun is earth's source of day which is why I don't believe the Night and Days of creation are the night and days of earth. Since that eliminated earth as the source of the night and day then it follows it must be somewhere else and the heaven of God is the only other option the story of creation gives us.
Is there physical light in the heaven of God?
Kerwin.The light in heaven is God himself.
Can you explain what that light is in the beginning?
Let there be light:that means; there was no light at first.wakeup.
Wakeup,Psalm 104:2
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)2 Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment:
who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:God has always been the source of spiritual light but there was a time God covered himself with light. Since it cannot be the spiritual light he covered himself with then it follows that it is physical light.
Let there be light mean that in some way light came to be though it was not yet separated from darkness. That mixture may mean that more of a dawn or dusk existed though I favor dawn considering it was the dawn of creation. That may have been true on earth as it was in heaven.
The separation of the light on earth is said by Scripture to have occurred on the fourth Night and Day. Another separation occurred on the first Night and Day and heaven is the only place left for that to have occurred.
Kerwin.What was the purpose for that spiritual light in the beginning?
There was no life on earth as yet.
wakeup.
Wakeup,God is the source of spiritual light because of who and what he is. Perhaps he created all he created to fulfill his purpose of righteousness. God has always been a being that cannot be tempted by, much less do, evil.
I am not sure why he wrapped himself in physical light. I could guess that it symbolizes his spiritual light for those he was about to create.
Kerwin.God is light,he has his kingdom in heaven before the world was.The Lord of Host;The lord of a host of angels.
You are making things up; and this is futile.
We need scriptures.wakeup.
Wakeup,Do you believe that God can be tempted by evil?
What do you believe spiritual light is?
Do you believe God has always existed?
Kerwin.Quote
Do you believe that God can be tempted by evil?
What do you believe spiritual light is?
Do you believe God has always existed?How can God be tempted;when he knows
everything before hand?Spiritual light is knowledge,wisdom.
Knowing your God.
Therefore a spiritual being is *LIKE* a shining star.
Jesus had all the knowledge,but he was not a thousand watt light shining amongst his apostles.
Angels can appear like a normal person.
Like what Paul says: dont refuse a stranger a glass of water,
you may be entertaining an angel.God is from everlasting,and his Word in Him.
Before made flesh.wakeup.
Wakeup,
Have you ever considered that God cannot be tempted by evil because he is the source of love and love is the sum of righteousness?
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 11 2014,08:13) Wakeup, Have you ever considered that God cannot be tempted by evil because he is the source of love and love is the sum of righteousness?
Kerwin.God can not be tempted by anything.
God has *no limits* of what he can do.
God created *ALL* THINGS;*evil included*.
God used evil as a tool to reveal to mankind,
what is evil and what is good.
Without evil that can not be achieved.Evil must be created; and God only can create.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 11 2014,04:28) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 11 2014,08:13) Wakeup, Have you ever considered that God cannot be tempted by evil because he is the source of love and love is the sum of righteousness?
Kerwin.God can not be tempted by anything.
God has *no limits* of what he can do.
God created *ALL* THINGS;*evil included*.
God used evil as a tool to reveal to mankind,
what is evil and what is good.
Without evil that can not be achieved.Evil must be created; and God only can create.
wakeup.
wIF GOD CREATED “EVIL” THEN HE MUST BE EVIL ,BECAUSE ONLY EVIL ORIENTED BEINGS ARE EVIL AND CREATE EVIL
IF YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THIS SO SIMPLE ;WHY ARE WE STILL TALKING
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 11 2014,04:28) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 11 2014,08:13) Wakeup, Have you ever considered that God cannot be tempted by evil because he is the source of love and love is the sum of righteousness?
Kerwin.God can not be tempted by anything.
God has *no limits* of what he can do.
God created *ALL* THINGS;*evil included*.
God used evil as a tool to reveal to mankind,
what is evil and what is good.
Without evil that can not be achieved.Evil must be created; and God only can create.
wakeup.
Wakeup,How did anything in your post answer my point.
My point uses the statements in Scripture that that “God is Love” and that “love is the fulfilling of the law”.
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 11 2014,11:25) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 11 2014,04:28) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 11 2014,08:13) Wakeup, Have you ever considered that God cannot be tempted by evil because he is the source of love and love is the sum of righteousness?
Kerwin.God can not be tempted by anything.
God has *no limits* of what he can do.
God created *ALL* THINGS;*evil included*.
God used evil as a tool to reveal to mankind,
what is evil and what is good.
Without evil that can not be achieved.Evil must be created; and God only can create.
wakeup.
Wakeup,How did anything in your post answer my point.
My point uses the statements in Scripture that that “God is Love” and that “love is the fulfilling of the law”.
Kerwin.God is good.
But HE also cast babies, and children into the lake of fire.God is good.
But he also commanded Moses to kill all the calf
worshippers including their babies.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 11 2014,17:39) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 11 2014,11:25) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 11 2014,04:28) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 11 2014,08:13) Wakeup, Have you ever considered that God cannot be tempted by evil because he is the source of love and love is the sum of righteousness?
Kerwin.God can not be tempted by anything.
God has *no limits* of what he can do.
God created *ALL* THINGS;*evil included*.
God used evil as a tool to reveal to mankind,
what is evil and what is good.
Without evil that can not be achieved.Evil must be created; and God only can create.
wakeup.
Wakeup,How did anything in your post answer my point.
My point uses the statements in Scripture that that “God is Love” and that “love is the fulfilling of the law”.
Kerwin.God is good.
But HE also cast babies, and children into the lake of fire.God is good.
But he also commanded Moses to kill all the calf
worshippers including their babies.wakeup.
Wakeup,Are you saying God does evil in doing these things?
Scripture tells us God is love so it follows that God acted in love when he ordered the children of Israel to commit genocide against the people who already lived in the Promised Land. The only answer we get if we do not accept any other one is God has mercy on those he has mercy and compassion on those he has compassion, Romans 9:15.
You are not really addressing my point which is God is love and therefore cannot be tempted by evil much less do evil.
In short God is light and in him there is no darkness, 1John 1:5, and that has eternally been true of him.
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 12 2014,08:23) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 11 2014,17:39) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 11 2014,11:25) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 11 2014,04:28) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 11 2014,08:13) Wakeup, Have you ever considered that God cannot be tempted by evil because he is the source of love and love is the sum of righteousness?
Kerwin.God can not be tempted by anything.
God has *no limits* of what he can do.
God created *ALL* THINGS;*evil included*.
God used evil as a tool to reveal to mankind,
what is evil and what is good.
Without evil that can not be achieved.Evil must be created; and God only can create.
wakeup.
Wakeup,How did anything in your post answer my point.
My point uses the statements in Scripture that that “God is Love” and that “love is the fulfilling of the law”.
Kerwin.God is good.
But HE also cast babies, and children into the lake of fire.God is good.
But he also commanded Moses to kill all the calf
worshippers including their babies.wakeup.
Wakeup,Are you saying God does evil in doing these things?
Scripture tells us God is love so it follows that God acted in love when he ordered the children of Israel to commit genocide against the people who already lived in the Promised Land. The only answer we get if we do not accept any other one is God has mercy on those he has mercy and compassion on those he has compassion, Romans 9:15.
You are not really addressing my point which is God is love and therefore cannot be tempted by evil much less do evil.
In short God is light and in him there is no darkness, 1John 1:5, and that has eternally been true of him.
Kerwin.God is love,light,wisdom.
He also will cast many into the lake of fire.
This is for you to explain.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 12 2014,05:36) Ex president Sharon is dead,so what now? wakeup.
well what is normal is dig a hole and put him in itQuote (Wakeup @ Jan. 12 2014,05:32) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 12 2014,08:23) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 11 2014,17:39) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 11 2014,11:25) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 11 2014,04:28) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 11 2014,08:13) Wakeup, Have you ever considered that God cannot be tempted by evil because he is the source of love and love is the sum of righteousness?
Kerwin.God can not be tempted by anything.
God has *no limits* of what he can do.
God created *ALL* THINGS;*evil included*.
God used evil as a tool to reveal to mankind,
what is evil and what is good.
Without evil that can not be achieved.Evil must be created; and God only can create.
wakeup.
Wakeup,How did anything in your post answer my point.
My point uses the statements in Scripture that that “God is Love” and that “love is the fulfilling of the law”.
Kerwin.God is good.
But HE also cast babies, and children into the lake of fire.God is good.
But he also commanded Moses to kill all the calf
worshippers including their babies.wakeup.
Wakeup,Are you saying God does evil in doing these things?
Scripture tells us God is love so it follows that God acted in love when he ordered the children of Israel to commit genocide against the people who already lived in the Promised Land. The only answer we get if we do not accept any other one is God has mercy on those he has mercy and compassion on those he has compassion, Romans 9:15.
You are not really addressing my point which is God is love and therefore cannot be tempted by evil much less do evil.
In short God is light and in him there is no darkness, 1John 1:5, and that has eternally been true of him.
Kerwin.God is love,light,wisdom.
He also will cast many into the lake of fire.
This is for you to explain.wakeup.
Wakeup,I don't see what that has with the topic we are speaking of. I am speaking of God who has always been the source of spiritual light wrapping himself in physical light on the first Night and Day and you seem to be questioning whether or not he is righteous in his judgement. I am not qualified to judge God's actions.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 12 2014,10:36) Ex president Sharon is dead,so what now? wakeup.
Wow, thanks for that, I didn't know. That's big news.
It's going to get more interesting now.These guys with all their “wisdom” only want to hear their own voices.
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 12 2014,10:39) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 12 2014,05:36) Ex president Sharon is dead,so what now? wakeup.
well what is normal is dig a hole and put him in it
T.You for get one more thing.
A tree will be planted on top of Him.
We should not make fun.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 12 2014,07:40) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 12 2014,10:39) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 12 2014,05:36) Ex president Sharon is dead,so what now? wakeup.
well what is normal is dig a hole and put him in it
T.You for get one more thing.
A tree will be planted on top of Him.
We should not make fun.wakeup.
w
men can do what they want God is the one that judgesQuote (kerwin @ Jan. 12 2014,11:19) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 12 2014,05:32) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 12 2014,08:23) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 11 2014,17:39) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 11 2014,11:25) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 11 2014,04:28) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 11 2014,08:13) Wakeup, Have you ever considered that God cannot be tempted by evil because he is the source of love and love is the sum of righteousness?
Kerwin.God can not be tempted by anything.
God has *no limits* of what he can do.
God created *ALL* THINGS;*evil included*.
God used evil as a tool to reveal to mankind,
what is evil and what is good.
Without evil that can not be achieved.Evil must be created; and God only can create.
wakeup.
Wakeup,How did anything in your post answer my point.
My point uses the statements in Scripture that that “God is Love” and that “love is the fulfilling of the law”.
Kerwin.God is good.
But HE also cast babies, and children into the lake of fire.God is good.
But he also commanded Moses to kill all the calf
worshippers including their babies.wakeup.
Wakeup,Are you saying God does evil in doing these things?
Scripture tells us God is love so it follows that God acted in love when he ordered the children of Israel to commit genocide against the people who already lived in the Promised Land. The only answer we get if we do not accept any other one is God has mercy on those he has mercy and compassion on those he has compassion, Romans 9:15.
You are not really addressing my point which is God is love and therefore cannot be tempted by evil much less do evil.
In short God is light and in him there is no darkness, 1John 1:5, and that has eternally been true of him.
Kerwin.God is love,light,wisdom.
He also will cast many into the lake of fire.
This is for you to explain.wakeup.
Wakeup,I don't see what that has with the topic we are speaking of. I am speaking of God who has always been the source of spiritual light wrapping himself in physical light on the first Night and Day and you seem to be questioning whether or not he is righteous in his judgement. I am not qualified to judge God's actions.
Kerwin.God does not wrap light around Him.
He is the source of light.
God says: I kill and make alive.
I created evil.
He created leviathan.
He created the waster to destroy.
He created the fallen angels,knowing before hand
that they will cause trouble.
He chose Judas iscariot.
He lets his Son to be crucified.
He did it all.
Because He is in control of His plan,and who can disagree with his way of doing things?
And His plan is to create spiritual children for himself.
Children that know good and evil, and have been through pain and tribulation. Children that truly love Him.
Children that have gone through the fire.
Angels dont have that experience.wakeup.
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