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Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 01 2013,11:28) Wakeup, The falling away has already come and the son of perdition has not.
I told you that the Christians today honor God with their lips but there hearts are far from him. I also said some of them seem to be striving to change and be like Christ.
God created Adam and chose to sin. God did not create a sinful Adam thou he did create Adam with the do either good or evil. The same is true with Satan.
Kerwin.Did God know in advance that lucifer is going to be
the father of evil. Y/N?
Mike: Re' darkness: what darkness are you speaking of?
1.spiritual darkness.
2.physical darkness.
3.spiritual light.
4.physical light.Kerwin: Actually the falling away started very early in the days of the three churches in asia minor. The seed has been planted then. Today,it has grown to maturity; the fruits are ripening,ready for harvest. But not before the false prophet
has done his part. He is used by God to siff out the true
christians from the fake. The true will stick with God,and the fake will compromise with the false prophet,for their belly sake.wakeup.
mikeboll64,Nov. wrote:[/quote]
Quote The bottom line is that you've discovered that “ra” is indeed a Hebrew word – and that ONE of it's meanings is “evil”. Now look at all the OTHER meanings of the word….. meanings that the KJV itself uses MANY times in other verses. Then tell me that “evil” is the ONLY way the KJV could have translated “ra” in Isaiah 45:7. If you can say “evil” was the ONLY CHOICE the KJV had in 45:7, then you are only fooling yourself. The rest of us aren't buying it, and know in our hearts that God never “created evil”. It is a flawed translation by the KJV – which is why even the NKJV changes it.
Hi Mike,I'm not an expert as we all know, and barely a learner when it comes to translations, and to tell you the truth I don't know how to access all the tools to use for verification to debate with you on a high standard level. For instance, we have the Strongs, and most modern translations use the NASB, but what lexicon does the NWT use? How do I get their one on line? and how many different lexicons really are there where they all claim to translate from the original copies.
I know what you are implying, but I don't know what you are comparing to the KJV? What translation? We can just go with the NWT for now, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, but I need to know what you are comparing with? You say the KJV is wrong in some translations but there are many versions that agree with the KJV in some or many verses.
I'm not going to copy and paste anything, but will tell you how I look at it myself, with my own critical thinking. I had to get everything I researched on the internet out of my head for a couple of days because it was blocking me in answering you.
Morals differ according to each individual. What is considered good or bad depends on a person’s own values or beliefs, and not necessarily on a spiritual belief. For instance, someone may think it’s ok to steal if he’s hungry, and another says no, that is considered bad, whilst another says it’s not ok to steal because it’s against the law, but it should be allowed if you are poor and hungry because it’s a matter of life and death.
So where do we go to find out who is right or who wrong?
The Holy bible of course.Firstly, we need to establish that God sets the standard of morals, not men.
I consider that whatever is against God’s commandments is called EVIL by God. The definition of EVIL refers to against the Laws of God and not man. I doubt we'll find this definition in most dictionaries, but this word EVIL is defined by God himself and not man, so it has a spiritual connection to it, the opposite to holy and not a part of God's heavenly holy ways.
An atheist may choose not to use the word EVIL because of it’s association with a deity, and may prefer to use the word bad, simply because of it’s consequences if one gets caught out, or because of their own personal code of ethics.
To get his message across, God has to talk simple, for his laws are simple. We learn that anything described as EVIL is against God’s Holy commandments as he is the one that set the rules in the first place. We need to tread carefully when handling his word, and keep it simple but STRAIGHT TO THE POINT. So in my opinion, EVIL is the word God uses to describe the opposite of holy, and his commandments are holy.
Now before we go to Isaiah 45:7, can we please take a look at this. I'm not sure if this is a verse that is in question but it's where I will start for now.
KJV
Genesis 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.NWT
Genesis 2:9 Thus Jehovah God made to grow out of the ground every tree that was pleasing to look at and good for food and also the tree of life+ in the middle of the garden and the tree of the knowledge of good and bad.The word Bad isn’t directly going to the point. It's not associated with God in my opinion. It’s an outcome and can be generalized. Taking a walk in the pouring rain could be considered BAD because you may catch a cold, but it is not EVIL, and therefore shows no description of going against God’s laws.
So the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil contains the knowledge of both, Good and Evil. This is where later, the holy scriptures will differentiate between the two so we know what is good and what is evil. Eve learn't by experience, but now, without the holy scriptures, we would be in the dark, not knowing the difference. So the standard was set already, but the knowledge was not available until Eve disobeyed.
So, if God’s word is true, and there was a forbidden tree existing in the garden called the “tree of knowledge of good and evil”, then good and evil both had to exist already, even before the first sin was born. Else how could there be knowledge of it?
KJV
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.NWT
Isaiah 45:8 I form light and create darkness,
I make peace and create calamity; I, Jehovah, am doing all these things.Calamity is not describing to me that God can do everything, but it looks like he's just saying he can ruin the peace he also created, ….but his claim that he also created evil, tells me not that he is evil, because we learn that evil does not dwell inside God, ….and he reveals to us that he ALSO created evil because he made everything that exists. So the word “Calamity” does not have a spiritual connection to it. Not straight to the point or direct enough emphasising that God created EVERYTHING.
We learn from other scriptures also that God is all knowing, knows the end in the beginning, and we learn that EVIL needs to be part of his plan for mankind, and used as a TOOL to separate the good from the wicked.
So I think that the KJV has translated perfectly in this instance, because that scripture does not confuse me. That scripture does not tell me that God is evil because he created it, but tie it in with all the other scriptures God gave us, then we can understand even more perfectly what he is saying. HE CREATED EVERYTHING, AND THAT INCLUDES EVIL. Evil didn't just pop up out of no-where. There is a grand plan, and evil is designed and put there for the saints to refuse so that they can show who their allegiance is to in order to receive salvation. Evil is also put there to show mankind and the angels, that God's laws are GOOD, fair and just, therefore not following his ways will have an effect of disaster.
Without evil, we would not have mercy.Sorry this has turned out so long. You can give me another verse to look at if you like.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 01 2013,08:57) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 01 2013,11:28) Wakeup, The falling away has already come and the son of perdition has not.
I told you that the Christians today honor God with their lips but there hearts are far from him. I also said some of them seem to be striving to change and be like Christ.
God created Adam and chose to sin. God did not create a sinful Adam thou he did create Adam with the do either good or evil. The same is true with Satan.
Kerwin.Did God know in advance that lucifer is going to be
the father of evil. Y/N?
Mike: Re' darkness: what darkness are you speaking of?
1.spiritual darkness.
2.physical darkness.
3.spiritual light.
4.physical light.Kerwin: Actually the falling away started very early in the days of the three churches in asia minor. The seed has been planted then. Today,it has grown to maturity; the fruits are ripening,ready for harvest. But not before the false prophet
has done his part. He is used by God to siff out the true
christians from the fake. The true will stick with God,and the fake will compromise with the false prophet,for their belly sake.wakeup.
Wakeup,Let us look at the pass as my memory falls short of perfect.
Isaiah 45:7
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)7 I form the light, and create darkness:
I make peace, and create evil:
I the Lord do all these things.It is speaking of God's current actions and not his past actions such as creating the angels, even those who chose to fall. Yes, God knew those angels who would choose to fall and those angels who would chose not to fall. He even created certain angels to be vessels of honor and others to be vessels of dishonor and yet is still Satan who chose to do evil because of who he is.
To return to the actual subject Isaiah is not speaking of the creation of the Fallen. He is speaking of light which has an opposite meaning if darkness. The situation is that the only way peace and evil are opposites is if “evil” means “offense” and that is a stretch in today's vocabulary. I have no idea whether the words “evil” and “peace” worked in the either the 17th or 19th Century vocabulary.
k
MT 4:16 “THE PEOPLE WHO WERE SITTING IN DARKNESS SAW A GREAT LIGHT,
AND THOSE WHO WERE SITTING IN THE LAND AND SHADOW OF DEATH,
UPON THEM A LIGHT DAWNED.”MT 5:14 “You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden;
MT 5:15 nor does anyone light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house.MT 6:23 “But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light that is in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!
MT 10:27 “ What I tell you in the darkness, speak in the light; and what you hear whispered in your ear, proclaim upon the housetopsthose are the understanding of Isaiah 45;7
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 02 2013,02:53) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 01 2013,08:57) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 01 2013,11:28) Wakeup, The falling away has already come and the son of perdition has not.
I told you that the Christians today honor God with their lips but there hearts are far from him. I also said some of them seem to be striving to change and be like Christ.
God created Adam and chose to sin. God did not create a sinful Adam thou he did create Adam with the do either good or evil. The same is true with Satan.
Kerwin.Did God know in advance that lucifer is going to be
the father of evil. Y/N?
Mike: Re' darkness: what darkness are you speaking of?
1.spiritual darkness.
2.physical darkness.
3.spiritual light.
4.physical light.Kerwin: Actually the falling away started very early in the days of the three churches in asia minor. The seed has been planted then. Today,it has grown to maturity; the fruits are ripening,ready for harvest. But not before the false prophet
has done his part. He is used by God to siff out the true
christians from the fake. The true will stick with God,and the fake will compromise with the false prophet,for their belly sake.wakeup.
Wakeup,Let us look at the pass as my memory falls short of perfect.
Isaiah 45:7
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)7 I form the light, and create darkness:
I make peace, and create evil:
I the Lord do all these things.It is speaking of God's current actions and not his past actions such as creating the angels, even those who chose to fall. Yes, God knew those angels who would choose to fall and those angels who would chose not to fall. He even created certain angels to be vessels of honor and others to be vessels of dishonor and yet is still Satan who chose to do evil because of who he is.
To return to the actual subject Isaiah is not speaking of the creation of the Fallen. He is speaking of light which has an opposite meaning if darkness. The situation is that the only way peace and evil are opposites is if “evil” means “offense” and that is a stretch in today's vocabulary. I have no idea whether the words “evil” and “peace” worked in the either the 17th or 19th Century vocabulary.
Kerwin.You need to read j42 post re' evil.
and compare the old and new tranlation.
small changes were made in the wordings,but can make a lot of difference.
They seem to dislike:
1.Holy
2.Heaven.
3.The name Jesus.
4.Evil. and more.Evil is the opposite to good.
Lucifer had his own choice;true,but God knew what his choice would be.
And God lets him roam around in the garden.
Its like releasing a poison serpent in the children's playground.Isaiah 45:7 is not speaking of either past nor future.
God was just giving us the facts.
He causes death in the past,present and future.
God is the same yesterday today and forever.
You should not make up your own assumptions.wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 02 2013,05:22) k MT 4:16 “THE PEOPLE WHO WERE SITTING IN DARKNESS SAW A GREAT LIGHT,
AND THOSE WHO WERE SITTING IN THE LAND AND SHADOW OF DEATH,
UPON THEM A LIGHT DAWNED.”MT 5:14 “You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden;
MT 5:15 nor does anyone light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house.MT 6:23 “But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light that is in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!
MT 10:27 “ What I tell you in the darkness, speak in the light; and what you hear whispered in your ear, proclaim upon the housetopsthose are the understanding of Isaiah 45;7
T.Kjv:
Matthew 6:23 But if thine eye **be evil**, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!Terra's bible:
MT 6:23 “But if your eye **is bad**, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light that is in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!The word evil changed into BAD.
BAD could mean anything;such as BAD eyes, that can not read without glasses.Or BAD eyes that can not see distance.Satan has changed the word evil,because he is the evil one.
Gays dont like the word sodomy;so they change it to temple prostitude or what ever. Many leaders of nations are gay,or bysexual,and peadophiles,and evil.
They dont mind the word God,but not God *IN HEAVEN*.
Angels are ok; but not angels IN HEAVEN.Messiah is ok;but not JESUS the Messiah.
Son of God is ok;but not the **ONLY BEGOTTEN SON** OF GOD.The falling away is here.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 03 2013,20:57) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 02 2013,05:22) k MT 4:16 “THE PEOPLE WHO WERE SITTING IN DARKNESS SAW A GREAT LIGHT,
AND THOSE WHO WERE SITTING IN THE LAND AND SHADOW OF DEATH,
UPON THEM A LIGHT DAWNED.”MT 5:14 “You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden;
MT 5:15 nor does anyone light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house.MT 6:23 “But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light that is in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!
MT 10:27 “ What I tell you in the darkness, speak in the light; and what you hear whispered in your ear, proclaim upon the housetopsthose are the understanding of Isaiah 45;7
T.Kjv:
Matthew 6:23 But if thine eye **be evil**, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!Terra's bible:
MT 6:23 “But if your eye **is bad**, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light that is in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!The word evil changed into BAD.
BAD could mean anything;such as BAD eyes, that can not read without glasses.Or BAD eyes that can not see distance.Satan has changed the word evil,because he is the evil one.
Gays dont like the word sodomy;so they change it to temple prostitude or what ever. Many leaders of nations are gay,or bysexual,and peadophiles,and evil.
They dont mind the word God,but not God *IN HEAVEN*.
Angels are ok; but not angels IN HEAVEN.Messiah is ok;but not JESUS the Messiah.
Son of God is ok;but not the **ONLY BEGOTTEN SON** OF GOD.The falling away is here.
wakeup.
w
are still believing that I start yesterday my bible study 
that I never read the scriptures from one end to the other
you think that I am full of religion dogma
you really do not believe in the scriptures ,only in your own way and understanding ;
but show me what 'BAD ” means in our today dictionary
and also “EVIL” show me the meaning in the dictionary
your words can not be trusted ,you have sweet lips
terraricca,Dec. wrote:[/quote]
Quote but show me what 'BAD ” means in our today dictionary and also “EVIL” show me the meaning in the dictionary
your words can not be trusted ,you have sweet lips
PierreI am born in an English speaking country. I first learn't what was “bad” from my parents as a tiny tot. They did not have to bring out a dictionary for me to understand it. I learn't by experience. We got told off or smacked if we were “bad”. and we learn't fast.
But when I became older and started reading the holy scriptures, I learn't what was EVIL. By the way I never once used a dictionary to understand this word EVIL, but learn't what was evil from the scriptures. This is the holy spirit teaching us. It shows us the difference between GOOD and EVIL. I learn't that I was not going to hell for not doing my homework, but preferred to read the bible instead till late at night,…… and not going to hell for skipping class…and not going to hell for refusing to do an evolution essay. But my parents thought I was “bad” for skipping school, and so I got punished.I went back and told my parents off for many things. I forbade my mother from going to fortune tellers! I threw out her idols, and told my dad off for using the Lords name in vain. I stopped my mum from bowing down to Mary and showed her to say the Lord's prayer instead of using Rosary beads…..I explained to her in the scriptures we are not to pray repetitive words. And I was only 12.
So what did you learn? Did you understand that there is a difference of being “bad” and being “evil” from your dictionary? Or did you learn from God?
Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 04 2013,04:37) terraricca,Dec. wrote:[/quote]
Quote but show me what 'BAD ” means in our today dictionary and also “EVIL” show me the meaning in the dictionary
your words can not be trusted ,you have sweet lips
PierreI am born in an English speaking country. I first learn't what was “bad” from my parents as a tiny tot. They did not have to bring out a dictionary for me to understand it. I learn't by experience. We got told off or smacked if we were “bad”. and we learn't fast.
But when I became older and started reading the holy scriptures, I learn't what was EVIL. By the way I never once used a dictionary to understand this word EVIL, but learn't what was evil from the scriptures. This is the holy spirit teaching us. It shows us the difference between GOOD and EVIL. I learn't that I was not going to hell for not doing my homework, but preferred to read the bible instead till late at night,…… and not going to hell for skipping class…and not going to hell for refusing to do an evolution essay. But my parents thought I was “bad” for skipping school, and so I got punished.I went back and told my parents off for many things. I forbade my mother from going to fortune tellers! I threw out her idols, and told my dad off for using the Lords name in vain. I stopped my mum from bowing down to Mary and showed her to say the Lord's prayer instead of using Rosary beads…..I explained to her in the scriptures we are not to pray repetitive words. And I was only 12.
So what did you learn? Did you understand that there is a difference of being “bad” and being “evil” from your dictionary? Or did you learn from God?
j42it is your believe that says that God created EVIL
NOT MEevil
ˈiːv(ə)l,-vɪl/Submit
adjective
1.
profoundly immoral and wicked.
“his evil deeds”
synonyms:wicked, bad, wrong, morally wrong, wrongful, immoral, sinful, ungodly, unholy, foul, vile, base, ignoble, dishonourable, corrupt, iniquitous, depraved, degenerate, villainous, nefarious, sinister, vicious, malicious, malevolent, demonic, devilish, diabolic, diabolical, fiendish, dark, black-hearted; More
antonyms:good, virtuous
(of a force or spirit) embodying or associated with the forces of the devil.
“we were driven out of the house by an evil spirit”
harmful or tending to harm.
“the evil effects of high taxes”
synonyms:harmful, hurtful, injurious, detrimental, deleterious, inimical, bad, mischievous, pernicious, malignant, malign, baleful, venomous, noxious, poisonous; More
antonyms:good, beneficial
2.
(of a smell or sight) extremely unpleasant.
“a bathroom with an ineradicably evil smell”
synonyms:unpleasant, disagreeable, nasty, horrible, foul, filthy, vile; More
antonyms:pleasant, fine
noun
noun: evil
1.
profound immorality and wickedness, especially when regarded as a supernatural force.
“his struggle against the forces of evil”
synonyms:wickedness, bad, badness, wrong, wrongdoing, sin, sinfulness, ungodliness, immorality, vice, iniquity, turpitude, degeneracy, vileness, baseness, perversion, corruption, depravity, villainy, nefariousness, atrocity, malevolence, devilishness; MoreDO YOU SEE “BAD” IS INCLUDED IN “EVIL”
J42
TO AD TO THE PREVIOUS QUOTE;
Rev 22:11 Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him who is holy continue to be holy.”
Rev 22:14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.HOW CAN GOD REQUIRE FROM THE BELIEVER TO STAY PURE IF GOD HIMSELF DID CREATE EVIL
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 04 2013,09:50) J42 TO AD TO THE PREVIOUS QUOTE;
Rev 22:11 Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him who is holy continue to be holy.”
Rev 22:14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.HOW CAN GOD REQUIRE FROM THE BELIEVER TO STAY PURE IF GOD HIMSELF DID CREATE EVIL
T.HOW CAN WE KNOW EVIL IF THERE IS NO EVIL?
HOW CAN THERE BE EVIL IF GOD DID NOT CREATE IT?
FOR ALL THINGS ARE MADE BY HIM.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 04 2013,05:28) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 04 2013,09:50) J42 TO AD TO THE PREVIOUS QUOTE;
Rev 22:11 Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him who is holy continue to be holy.”
Rev 22:14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.HOW CAN GOD REQUIRE FROM THE BELIEVER TO STAY PURE IF GOD HIMSELF DID CREATE EVIL
T.HOW CAN WE KNOW EVIL IF THERE IS NO EVIL?
HOW CAN THERE BE EVIL IF GOD DID NOT CREATE IT?
FOR ALL THINGS ARE MADE BY HIM.wakeup.
wyou did not answer my question,
but i will answer yours ;DO YOU HAVE TO EAT POISON TO LEARN THAT IT KILLS
WHAT CAN YOU LEARN WHEN YOU ARE DEAD FROM THE POISON
terraricca,Dec. wrote:[/quote]
Quote journey42,Dec. wrote:[quote=terraricca,Dec. 04 2013,02:21]
Quote but show me what 'BAD ” means in our today dictionary and also “EVIL” show me the meaning in the dictionary
your words can not be trusted ,you have sweet lips
Here your words emphasise that you are not seeking understanding from the scriptures themselves, but from mens books. We are speaking of spiritual matters here Pierre. You want us to prove spiritual things from a DICTIONARY?
As I said before, we know english. We don't look up every word, we learn't to understand english from young. We know English already.Quote it is your believe that says that God created EVIL
NOT ME
It's more than a belief Pierre, it is a fact. I did not learn this from a dictionary in a world trying to phase out our creator's existence.Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
You are rejecting scripture here, not me, because many “books” told you that God's word cannot be trusted, so let's make our own bibles now with our own truth, and we will just blot out that word Evil, because that scripture confuses us?
Jeremiah 9:3 And they bend their tongues like their bow for lies: but they are not valiant for the truth upon the earth; for they proceed from evil to evil, and they know not me, saith the LORD.
Quote evil
ˈiːv(ə)l,-vɪl/Submit
adjective
1.
profoundly immoral and wicked.
“his evil deeds”
synonyms:wicked, bad, wrong, morally wrong, wrongful, immoral, sinful, ungodly, unholy, foul, vile, base, ignoble, dishonourable, corrupt, iniquitous, depraved, degenerate, villainous, nefarious, sinister, vicious, malicious, malevolent, demonic, devilish, diabolic, diabolical, fiendish, dark, black-hearted; More
antonyms:good, virtuous
(of a force or spirit) embodying or associated with the forces of the devil.
“we were driven out of the house by an evil spirit”
harmful or tending to harm.
“the evil effects of high taxes”
synonyms:harmful, hurtful, injurious, detrimental, deleterious, inimical, bad, mischievous, pernicious, malignant, malign, baleful, venomous, noxious, poisonous; More
antonyms:good, beneficial
2.
(of a smell or sight) extremely unpleasant.
“a bathroom with an ineradicably evil smell”
synonyms:unpleasant, disagreeable, nasty, horrible, foul, filthy, vile; More
antonyms:pleasant, fine
noun
noun: evil
1.
profound immorality and wickedness, especially when regarded as a supernatural force.
“his struggle against the forces of evil”
synonyms:wickedness, bad, badness, wrong, wrongdoing, sin, sinfulness, ungodliness, immorality, vice, iniquity, turpitude, degeneracy, vileness, baseness, perversion, corruption, depravity, villainy, nefariousness, atrocity, malevolence, devilishness; MoreDO YOU SEE “BAD” IS INCLUDED IN “EVIL”
No, but they put that word “BAD” in the new translations. Can you see what we are showing you?
Now you know what Evil is from your DICTIONARY. See if you can understand now why God created Satan to become evil, and for what purpose?Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 02 2013,00:22) k MT 4:16 “THE PEOPLE WHO WERE SITTING IN DARKNESS SAW A GREAT LIGHT,
AND THOSE WHO WERE SITTING IN THE LAND AND SHADOW OF DEATH,
UPON THEM A LIGHT DAWNED.”MT 5:14 “You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden;
MT 5:15 nor does anyone light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house.MT 6:23 “But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light that is in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!
MT 10:27 “ What I tell you in the darkness, speak in the light; and what you hear whispered in your ear, proclaim upon the housetopsthose are the understanding of Isaiah 45;7
T,No, It is just speaking of the power of God uses opposites to reveal how total it is.
terraricca,Dec. wrote:[/quote]
Quote J42 TO AD TO THE PREVIOUS QUOTE;
Rev 22:11 Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him who is holy continue to be holy.”
Rev 22:14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.HOW CAN GOD REQUIRE FROM THE BELIEVER TO STAY PURE IF GOD HIMSELF DID CREATE EVIL
No, it should be read this way
Revelation 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.Wrong and unjust don't match up to me.
I could be wrong about it raining today, but it doesn't make me unjust. God is more SPECIFIC and his WORDS more powerful than a two edged sword. Not our words.They even decided to re-translate rev 22:14.
What is more easier to understand and direct to the point….”Blessed are they that do his commandments”
or
“blessed are they that wash their robes”?
If someone were to pick up revelations and read that passage, they would have to search the whole bible to find out what “washing robes” meant, whereas reading that to do God's commandments is simple and direct, and there's blessings for it.Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
Zephaniah 3:1 Woe to her that is filthy and polluted, to the oppressing city!
Rev 22:11….and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still…
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 04 2013,06:22) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 02 2013,00:22) k MT 4:16 “THE PEOPLE WHO WERE SITTING IN DARKNESS SAW A GREAT LIGHT,
AND THOSE WHO WERE SITTING IN THE LAND AND SHADOW OF DEATH,
UPON THEM A LIGHT DAWNED.”MT 5:14 “You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden;
MT 5:15 nor does anyone light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house.MT 6:23 “But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light that is in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!
MT 10:27 “ What I tell you in the darkness, speak in the light; and what you hear whispered in your ear, proclaim upon the housetopsthose are the understanding of Isaiah 45;7
T,No, It is just speaking of the power of God uses opposites to reveal how total it is.
KTHINK MORE AND DEEPER ,
Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 04 2013,06:21) terraricca,Dec. wrote:[/quote]
Quote journey42,Dec. wrote:[quote=terraricca,Dec. 04 2013,02:21]
Quote but show me what 'BAD ” means in our today dictionary and also “EVIL” show me the meaning in the dictionary
your words can not be trusted ,you have sweet lips
Here your words emphasise that you are not seeking understanding from the scriptures themselves, but from mens books. We are speaking of spiritual matters here Pierre. You want us to prove spiritual things from a DICTIONARY?
As I said before, we know english. We don't look up every word, we learn't to understand english from young. We know English already.Quote it is your believe that says that God created EVIL
NOT ME
It's more than a belief Pierre, it is a fact. I did not learn this from a dictionary in a world trying to phase out our creator's existence.Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
You are rejecting scripture here, not me, because many “books” told you that God's word cannot be trusted, so let's make our own bibles now with our own truth, and we will just blot out that word Evil, because that scripture confuses us?
Jeremiah 9:3 And they bend their tongues like their bow for lies: but they are not valiant for the truth upon the earth; for they proceed from evil to evil, and they know not me, saith the LORD.
Quote evil
ˈiːv(ə)l,-vɪl/Submit
adjective
1.
profoundly immoral and wicked.
“his evil deeds”
synonyms:wicked, bad, wrong, morally wrong, wrongful, immoral, sinful, ungodly, unholy, foul, vile, base, ignoble, dishonourable, corrupt, iniquitous, depraved, degenerate, villainous, nefarious, sinister, vicious, malicious, malevolent, demonic, devilish, diabolic, diabolical, fiendish, dark, black-hearted; More
antonyms:good, virtuous
(of a force or spirit) embodying or associated with the forces of the devil.
“we were driven out of the house by an evil spirit”
harmful or tending to harm.
“the evil effects of high taxes”
synonyms:harmful, hurtful, injurious, detrimental, deleterious, inimical, bad, mischievous, pernicious, malignant, malign, baleful, venomous, noxious, poisonous; More
antonyms:good, beneficial
2.
(of a smell or sight) extremely unpleasant.
“a bathroom with an ineradicably evil smell”
synonyms:unpleasant, disagreeable, nasty, horrible, foul, filthy, vile; More
antonyms:pleasant, fine
noun
noun: evil
1.
profound immorality and wickedness, especially when regarded as a supernatural force.
“his struggle against the forces of evil”
synonyms:wickedness, bad, badness, wrong, wrongdoing, sin, sinfulness, ungodliness, immorality, vice, iniquity, turpitude, degeneracy, vileness, baseness, perversion, corruption, depravity, villainy, nefariousness, atrocity, malevolence, devilishness; MoreDO YOU SEE “BAD” IS INCLUDED IN “EVIL”
No, but they put that word “BAD” in the new translations. Can you see what we are showing you?
Now you know what Evil is from your DICTIONARY. See if you can understand now why God created Satan to become evil, and for what purpose?
J42I GETTING TIRE OF YOUR FLIP FLOP FROM ONE KJV TO ANOTHER KJV ,SO YOU HAVE TO FIND SOMEONE ELSE TO KEEP UP WITH CIRCUS ;
I AM OUT
Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 04 2013,06:49) terraricca,Dec. wrote:[/quote]
Quote J42 TO AD TO THE PREVIOUS QUOTE;
Rev 22:11 Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him who is holy continue to be holy.”
Rev 22:14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.HOW CAN GOD REQUIRE FROM THE BELIEVER TO STAY PURE IF GOD HIMSELF DID CREATE EVIL
No, it should be read this way
Revelation 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.Wrong and unjust don't match up to me.
I could be wrong about it raining today, but it doesn't make me unjust. God is more SPECIFIC and his WORDS more powerful than a two edged sword. Not our words.They even decided to re-translate rev 22:14.
What is more easier to understand and direct to the point….”Blessed are they that do his commandments”
or
“blessed are they that wash their robes”?
If someone were to pick up revelations and read that passage, they would have to search the whole bible to find out what “washing robes” meant, whereas reading that to do God's commandments is simple and direct, and there's blessings for it.Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
Zephaniah 3:1 Woe to her that is filthy and polluted, to the oppressing city!
Rev 22:11….and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still…
Journey,You can find thesauruses that will tell you wrong is as synonym for unjust.
I read them and they are closer paraphrases than some of Jesus words in the Authorized King James Version and the words in the OT of the same version he is supposed to be paraphrasing.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 04 2013,15:51) Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 04 2013,06:49) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 04 2013,09:50) Quote J42 TO AD TO THE PREVIOUS QUOTE;
Rev 22:11 Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him who is holy continue to be holy.”
Rev 22:14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.HOW CAN GOD REQUIRE FROM THE BELIEVER TO STAY PURE IF GOD HIMSELF DID CREATE EVIL
No, it should be read this way
Revelation 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.Wrong and unjust don't match up to me.
I could be wrong about it raining today, but it doesn't make me unjust. God is more SPECIFIC and his WORDS more powerful than a two edged sword. Not our words.They even decided to re-translate rev 22:14.
What is more easier to understand and direct to the point….”Blessed are they that do his commandments”
or
“blessed are they that wash their robes”?
If someone were to pick up revelations and read that passage, they would have to search the whole bible to find out what “washing robes” meant, whereas reading that to do God's commandments is simple and direct, and there's blessings for it.Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
Zephaniah 3:1 Woe to her that is filthy and polluted, to the oppressing city!
Rev 22:11….and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still…
Journey,You can find thesauruses that will tell you wrong is as synonym for unjust.
I read them and they are closer paraphrases than some of Jesus words in the Authorized King James Version and the words in the OT of the same version he is supposed to be paraphrasing.
Kerwin.What is a thesaurusarus to them back then?
They know what spiritually filthy is.wakeup.
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