When spirit means soul

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     terraricca 
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 01 2010,13:52)
    Hi T,
    God is in heaven-that is where Jesus told us to pray to Him[Mt6]
    The spirit does not mean anything to do with our useless accomplishments.
    It is the gift of life given to Adam and passed on to us.[Gen2.7] Without it we are dead[Jas2]


    nick

    you got that totaly wrong;

    why would God sacrifice his son so that men can be saved?
    God love the righteous man.
    and cornelius whos deeds were so good and many that he received the Holy spirit directly from God.

    God is in heaven-that is where Jesus told us to pray to Him[Mt6]NO HE SAYS OUR HEAVELY FATHER, but we know that God is not far from any of us.

    The spirit does not mean anything to do with our useless accomplishments;wrong again nick,

    God love us and want everyone to be saved and come to know his will and apply it so he can save that man,
    God love his own action so wen men does do good and godly deeds God love the actions of that man,and the works of that man are not useless.

    Pierre

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi T,
    Yes the same invitation given by Peter still stands.
    God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but shall have eternal life.

    The Son said
    ” You must be born again”

    The world does not listen to him

    #201210
     terraricca 
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 01 2010,20:41)
    Hi T,
    Yes the same invitation given by Peter still stands.
    God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but shall have eternal life.

    The Son said
    ” You must be born again”

    The world does not listen to him


    nick

    it is the world free will it is up to everyone of us to choose.
    to become born again in the spirit of Christ or not

    Pierre

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     davidbfun 
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 22 2009,12:32)
    Hi,
    Rom8
    16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

    Number 4151
    Transliteration:
    pneuma {pnyoo'-mah}
    Word Origin:
    from 4154
    TDNT:
    6:332,876
    Part of Speech:
    noun neuter
    Usage in the KJV:
    Spirit 111, Holy Ghost 89, Spirit (of God) 13, Spirit (of the Lord) 5, (My) Spirit 3, Spirit (of truth) 3, Spirit (of Christ) 2, human (spirit) 49, (evil) spirit 47, spirit (general) 26, spirit 8, (Jesus' own) spirit 6, (Jesus' own) ghost 2, misc 21

    Total: 385
    Definition:
    a movement of air (a gentle blast
    of the wind, hence the wind itself
    breath of nostrils or mouth
    the spirit, i.e. the vital principal by which the body is animated
    the rational spirit, the power by which the human being feels, thinks, decides
    THE SOUL
    a spirit, i.e. a simple essence, devoid of all or at least all grosser matter, and possessed of the power of knowing, desiring, deciding, and acting
    a life giving spirit
    a human soul that has left the body
    a spirit higher than man but lower than God, i.e. an angel
    used of demons, or evil spirits, who were conceived as inhabiting the bodies of men
    the spiritual nature of Christ, higher than the highest angels and equal to God, the divine nature of Christ
    of God
    God's power and agency distinguishable in thought from his essence in itself considered
    manifest in the course of affairs
    by its influence upon the souls productive in the theocratic body (the church) of all the higher spiritual gifts and blessings
    the third person of the trinity, the God the Holy Spirit
    the disposition or influence which fills and governs the soul of any one
    the efficient source of any power, affection, emotion, desire, etc.    

    ECCL tells of the nature and fate of the human spirit.

    Ecclesiastes 8:8
    There is no man that hath power over the spirit to retain the spirit; neither hath he power in the day of death: and there is no discharge in that war; neither shall wickedness deliver those that are given to it.
    Ecclesiastes 11:5
    As thou knowest not what is the way of the spirit, nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child: even so thou knowest not the works of God who maketh all.
    Ecclesiastes 12:7
    Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

    But Scripture tells us man is body, soul and spirit and that there is a diviosion between soul and spirit.

    1 Thessalonians 5:23
    And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    Hebrews 4:12
    For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

    We should then try to find those verses where it is written SPIRIT but means SOUL.
    Who would like to offer some?


    Hi Nick,

    Spirit = nephesh (noun, fem) (man's) Gen 2:7

    Spirit = ruach (noun, fem)(God's) Gen 1:2 ….the spirit of God

    Funny how Greek makes it neuter and Hebrew makes it feminine….which is correct?

    David

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     JustAskin 
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    David,

    So you are revealing your 'sound byte'

    You are of the 'feminine persuation'

    You see the lacking of female parts in the Bible and feel you need to reAdress the 'imbalance'.

    Wow, you love yourself, in your attempt to do that.

    Satan, indeed, has taken over his earth kingdom and certainly knows his own.

    #203827
     NickHassan 
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    Hi DBF,
    Knowing about God and His son is not very helpful.
    Knowing them and them knowing you has everlasting benefits.
    BTW on the behalf of the site I apologise for how JA has spoken to you here
    l

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     GeneBalthrop 
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    Nick………Why can't you understand a Soul (IS) a BODY with SPIRIT (IN) it. Adam did not become a living SOUL untioll He recieved the Spirit of GOD (IN) Him then He became a LIVING SOUL. Not before that. Jesus plainly GOD could destory Us by leaving our Bodies in the GRAVE. Remember He said GOD could destory (BOTH) two things in the GRAVE. WE know when a man dies his spirit go back to God who gave it, the only thing left is the Body and it goes into the graves and corrupts or parishes, that is it , unless we recieve a new body and God adds Spirit into it. The idea that a soul keeps living after death is a pagan ideology , scripture says the dead know nothing their thoughts Parish in the day they die , that is it for ever, unless Gdd resurrects a new body and add spirit back into it. A resurrection of a Body is crucial to salvation Jesus and all the apostles understood that a resurrection was absolutely necessary for us to continue to live.

    peace and love to you and yours brother…………………………gene

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     kerwin 
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    Gene,

    You are mentally blocking yourself from hearing the word “living”.  

    A body plus the breath of life equals a living body, a living individual, or a living soul.

    Unlike what you are claiming we do not stop existing because our body dies though Adam did not exist before he became a living soul.  We also did not exist before we became a living soul when we were conceived in our mother's womb.

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi LU,
    Spirit and soul can be confusing in scripture.
    But there is a difference

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     NickHassan 
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    topical

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     barley 
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 22 2009,04:32)
    Hi,
    Rom8
    16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

    Number 4151
    Transliteration:
    pneuma {pnyoo'-mah}
    Word Origin:
    from 4154
    TDNT:
    6:332,876
    Part of Speech:
    noun neuter
    Usage in the KJV:
    Spirit 111, Holy Ghost 89, Spirit (of God) 13, Spirit (of the Lord) 5, (My) Spirit 3, Spirit (of truth) 3, Spirit (of Christ) 2, human (spirit) 49, (evil) spirit 47, spirit (general) 26, spirit 8, (Jesus' own) spirit 6, (Jesus' own) ghost 2, misc 21

    Total: 385
    Definition:
    a movement of air (a gentle blast
    of the wind, hence the wind itself
    breath of nostrils or mouth
    the spirit, i.e. the vital principal by which the body is animated
    the rational spirit, the power by which the human being feels, thinks, decides
    THE SOUL
    a spirit, i.e. a simple essence, devoid of all or at least all grosser matter, and possessed of the power of knowing, desiring, deciding, and acting
    a life giving spirit
    a human soul that has left the body
    a spirit higher than man but lower than God, i.e. an angel
    used of demons, or evil spirits, who were conceived as inhabiting the bodies of men
    the spiritual nature of Christ, higher than the highest angels and equal to God, the divine nature of Christ
    of God
    God's power and agency distinguishable in thought from his essence in itself considered
    manifest in the course of affairs
    by its influence upon the souls productive in the theocratic body (the church) of all the higher spiritual gifts and blessings
    the third person of the trinity, the God the Holy Spirit
    the disposition or influence which fills and governs the soul of any one
    the efficient source of any power, affection, emotion, desire, etc.    

    ECCL tells of the nature and fate of the human spirit.

    Ecclesiastes 8:8
    There is no man that hath power over the spirit to retain the spirit; neither hath he power in the day of death: and there is no discharge in that war; neither shall wickedness deliver those that are given to it.
    Ecclesiastes 11:5
    As thou knowest not what is the way of the spirit, nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child: even so thou knowest not the works of God who maketh all.
    Ecclesiastes 12:7
    Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

    But Scripture tells us man is body, soul and spirit and that there is a diviosion between soul and spirit.

    1 Thessalonians 5:23
    And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    Hebrews 4:12
    For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

    We should then try to find those verses where it is written SPIRIT but means SOUL.
    Who would like to offer some?


    Nick, as you have correctly pointed out, man is to be body and soul and spirit.  I Thessalonians 5:23

    “And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.”

    Regarding your request for places where spirit is referring to soul

    Consider the following passages:

    Matthew 27:50

    Mark 8:12

    Luke 8:55

    Luke 10:21

    Luke 23:46

    John 19:30

    Acts 7:59

    I Corinthians 5:4

    Galatians 6:18 or it could mean the innermost part of a man's being, ie, heart.

    II Timothy 4:22  or maybe means spiritually.

    James 2:26

    James 4:5

    I John 4:2  the second use

    I John 4:3

    I looked them up in a reference book, the work is not mine, but the author spent decades working the subject.

    barley

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi B,
    Good work but
    1 No- The Soul of Jesus yet lives by the Spirit of God. We are SOUL
    2.Yes
    3.No . We die when our spirit leaves Jas 2.26
    4.No The Holy Spirit is Spirit
    5.No. Jesus died and his spirit left.
    6.No Jesus died.
    7.No. Stephen died.
    8.No. The Spirit is spirit.
    9.Yes. possibly
    10.Yes. possibly
    11. No. Death is losing the spirit ECC 12
    12. no. Life is spirit
    13. No. Spirit.
    14. no. Demons

    IMO
    The biblical unitarians say man is just body and spirit. No soul

    #288337
     NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,
    Man is body soul and spirit.

    When a man dies his spirit returns to God.
    Souls go to the mansions of Christ or sheol.

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     kerwin 
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 28 2012,05:00)
    Hi KW,
    Man is body soul and spirit.

    When a man dies his spirit returns to God.
    Souls go to the mansions of Christ or sheol.


    Nick,

    Man was created with two sides; the material from earth and the non-material from heaven.  Both the soul and spirit are non-material.

    The scroll of  Ezekiel forecasts that the spirit and heart are to be changed.  Can a soul be altered?

    Ezekiel 11:19
    King James Version (KJV)

    19And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:

    What is meant by heart?

    #288500
     NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,
    So God gives us of His Spirit and works in us a transformation of our hearts and minds.
    We develop the mind and heart of Christ Jesus.
    Philosophers confuse you

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi,
    Do you understand how God knows your thoughts and motives?
    Prov 20.27
    “The spirit of man is a lamp of the LORD searching all the innermost parts of his being”

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     kerwin 
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 18 2012,02:57)
    Hi,
    Do you understand how God knows your thoughts and motives?
    Prov 20.27
    “The spirit of man is a lamp of the LORD searching all the innermost parts of his being”


    Nick,

    It is written:

    1 Corinthians 2
    King James Version (KJV)

    10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
    11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

    What meaning of spirit in man corresponds to the Spirit of God?  Is there a part of man and God where the deep things are stored?

    #302961
     NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,
    Man is a living SOUL.
    A temple for the Spirit.

    #377129
     NickHassan 
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    Hi,
    This can be a problem.
    Soul can be called spirit.

    There is a difference

    12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

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     Wakeup 
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    Every persons soul is different,
    and will be judged accordingly.

    Every mans spirit is different also.
    Depending on each own lusts,and hunger.

    I hunger for seeking God;that is my spirit.
    My spirit does not hunger for things of the world.

    My soul is the essence of my being.
    What I am in God's eyes.

    wakeup.

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